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>> Reporter: WHAT CAN YOU TELL
US ABOUT THE DEAL?
>> IT WILL BE TOMORROW.
>> Reporter: IT WILL BE
TOMORROW YOU SAID?
>> [indiscernible]
>> Rosemary: YOU'RE WATCHING
"THE NATIONAL," AND WE HAVE
BREAKING NEWS ON NAFTA.
THESE ARE CABINET MINISTERS
ARRIVING JUST MOMENTS AGO FOR AN
EMERGENCY CABINET MEETING.
WE ARE HEARING THAT TONIGHT,
JUST HOURS BEFORE A DEADLINE
IMPOSED BY THE UNITED STATES, A
DEAL HAS BEEN REACHED.
KATIE SIMPSON IS STANDING
OUTSIDE OF THE PRIME MINISTER'S
OFFICE WITH US NOW.
AFTER MONTHS OF TALKS, KATIE,
MORE THAN 13, IN FACT, THE TWO
SIDES ARE NOW SAYING THEY HAVE
HAMMERED THINGS OUT.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW
THEY GOT THE DEAL DONE?
>> Reporter: ROSIE, I JUST GOT
OFF THE PHONE WITH THE SENIOR
SOURCE WHO SAID TO ME JUST VERY
QUICKLY, DEAL IS DONE.
IT IS A DONE DEAL.
SO A SENIOR SOURCE WITH DIRECT
KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION CAN
CONFIRM THAT CANADA HAS REACHED
SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT ON NAFTA
WITH THE UNITED STATES.
AND NOW WE WAIT TO FIND OUT
EXACTLY WHAT CANADA HAS AGREED
TO.
A LITTLE BIT LATER TONIGHT WE'RE
EXPECTING THE MEXICAN SENATE TO
GET A COPY OF THE TEXT OF AN
AGREEMENT SO WE MIGHT GET
INSIGHT INTO EXACTLY WHAT IS
GOING ON IN TERMS OF EXACTLY
WHAT CANADA DID AGREE TO.
BUT THIS COMES AFTER A WEEKEND
OF VERY TENSE NEGOTIATIONS.
THIS ENTIRE 13-MONTH PROCESS
COULD BE DESCRIBED AS A VERY
INTENSE, VERY STRESSFUL ORDEAL.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WHATEVER WAS
PUT ON THE TAKE IN THIS FINAL
STRETCH TO GET TO A DEAL BEFORE
OCTOBER 1st, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL
SIDES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REACH
SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE HERE.
THE U.S. AND MEXICO HAD BEEN
PRESSURING CANADA TO AGREE TO A
NAFTA ON THEIR TERMS BY THIS
DAY, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO
START THE PROCESS TO HAVE THE
LEADERS OF ALL THREE COUNTRIES
SIGN OFF ON A NEW RENEGOTIATED
NAFTA BEFORE DECEMBER 1st.
DECEMBER 1st IS IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THAT IS THE DAY THAT THE
NEW MEXICAN PRESIDENT TAKES
OFFICE.
AND THERE HAD BEEN CONCERN THAT
IF THIS WASN'T DEALT WITH BY
THAT TIME THAT THE NEW MEXICAN
PRESIDENT WOULD WANT TO REOPEN
THE DEAL AND TRY TO CHANGE SOME
OF THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT THE
U.S. AND MEXICO ALREADY AGREED
TO.
SO THAT'S WHY THE U.S. AND
MEXICO WERE REALLY PUSHING,
PRESSURING CANADA, SAYING THAT
TO THEM THIS IS A REAL DEADLINE,
OCTOBER 1st IS A REAL
DEADLINE.
THE CANADIANS HAD BEEN VERY
COMFORTABLE SAYING THEY WOULD
PLAY DEADLINE SPOILER, THAT THEY
ARE IN THIS FOR A GOOD DEAL AND
NOT A FAST DEAL.
AND THAT POLITICAL PRESSURE
ALONE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH
TO GET CONCESSIONS OUT OF
CANADA.
WE KNOW THAT CONCESSIONS HAVE
BEEN VERY DIFFICULT ON KEY
ISSUES.
THERE ARE FAR MORE THAN THREE
KEY ISSUES HERE BUT THE ONES
GETTING ATTENTION IS DAIRY,
CHAPTER 19 AND PROTECTING
TARIFFS.
AND NOW WE WAIT TO HEAR WHAT
THOSE DETAILS ARE.
>> Rosemary: KATIE SIMPSON
WILL STAND BY AND BRING US THAT
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING.
THANK YOU.
JUDGE,.
>> NOW THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION
MECHANISM WAS ALWAYS A MUST,
THAT'S CHAPTER 19 FOR CANADA.
BUT ONLY ONE OF THE THREE BIG
ISSUES FOR THE AGREEMENT THAT
HAS TRANSFORMED THE TRADE
RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THESE TWO
COUNTRIES.
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NOW CROSSING
BACK AND FORTH IS DIZZYING, FROM
ROUGHLY $280 BILLION IN 1993
JUST BEFORE NAFTA CAME INTO
EFFECT, TO ALMOST $800 BILLION
LAST YEAR.
BUT FOR CANADA', TWO INDUSTRIES
HAVE BEEN OF SPECIAL CONCERN.
>> I THINK THAT ANY BREACH OF
THE CANADIAN SUPPLY MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM WOULD BE A FULL ATTACK ON
AGRICULTURE IN GENERAL IN
CANADA.
>> Rosemary: TRUMP HAS LONG
TARGETED CANADA'S SUPPLY
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
CANADA HAS OPENED UP THE DAIRY
SECTOR IN THE PAST, AT LEAST
SLIGHTLY, TO PASS A FREE-TRADE
DEAL WITH THE E.U. AND WITH THE
TRANSPACIFIC PARTNERSHIP
NATIONS.
BUT THAT'S SMALL POTATOES
COMPARED TO THE COMPETITION WITH
AMERICAN DAIRY FARMERS.
>> President Donald Trump:
WE'RE THINKING OF JUST TAXING
CARS COMING IN FROM CANADA.
THAT'S THE MOTHERLOAD, THAT'S
THE BIG ONE.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S KEPT
CANADIAN NEGOTIATORS UP AT
NIGHT.
CANADA PRODUCES 2.5 MILLION CARS
A YEAR AND EMPLOYING HALF A
MILLION PEOPLE, EITHER ON THE
ASSEMBLY LINES, MAKING PARTS, OR
AT DEALERSHIPS.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES
AT PLAY AND HAVE HOPEFULLY BEEN
RESOLVED, WE'LL FIND OUT IN THE
COMING HOURS.
BUT WHAT COULD THIS MEAN FOR THE
TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT?
FOR INSIGHT INTO HOW THIS PLAYS
OUT POLITICALLY, HERE'S OUR
NATIONAL AFFAIRS EDITOR CHRIS
HALL.
SO, OKAY, CHRIS, THERE'S A DEAL
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN IT.
SO GIVE US A SENSE WHAT TO LOOK
FOR NOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE
HOURS?
>> Reporter: I THINK THAT THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ARE THE
ONES THAT KATIE TOUCHED ON FROM
THE CANADA STANDPOINT.
THAT IS, WHAT CONCESSIONS DID
THEY HAVE TO MAKE ON DAIRY?
IN OTHER WORDS, TO WHAT EXTENT
WILL AMERICAN DAIRY FARMERS NOW
HAVE GREATER ACCESS TO THE
CANADIAN MARKET.
WE KNOW THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE AND
IT HAS BEEN ONE THAT HAS LED TO
PROTESTS IN THE PAST ON
PARLIAMENT HILL.
PEOPLE REMEMBER IN 2015 WHEN
GREATER ACCESS WAS GIVEN TO THE
10 PACIFIC RIM NATION WHOSE
SIGNED THIS TRANSPACIFIC
PARTNERSHIP, THAT THERE WERE
PROTESTS ON THE STREET WITH
LIVESTOCK AND MILK BEING SPILLED
SO THAT'S CLEARLY AN ISSUE.
COMPENSATION FOR THOSE FARMERS
IN THE INDUSTRY NOW AND ARE
SUPPORTED BY THE SLY MANAGEMENT SUPPLY
MANAGEMENT OR QUOTESA.
AND IF QUÉBEC PEOPLE GO TO THE
POLLS TOMORROW.
WE KNOW THAT PHILIPPE COUILLARD
HAS SAID THAT SHE'LL GO TO
COURT, AND JEAN-FRANCOIS LISEE
SAID SOMETHING SIMILAR.
AND SO THAT COULD BE A BIG ISSUE
FOR THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT TO
CONFRONT.
>> Rosemary: THERE ARE LOTS OF
POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS HERE FOR
THE GOVERNMENT, OBVIOUSLY, THEY
PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE
IF THEY HADN'T GOT A DEAL.
BUT GIVE US A SENSE HOW THIS
PLAYS OUT IN THE SELL JOB THAT
HAS TO COME NEXT.
>> Reporter: IT'S REALLY
INTERESTING, ISN'T IT?
JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAID THAT HE'D
TAKE NO DEAL OVER A BAD DEAL.
OF COURSE, PEOPLE WILL LOOK TO
SEE IF THIS IS, IN FACT, A GOOD
DEAL FOR THE AUTO SECTOR AND THE
DARE THAT HE WE JUST TALKED
ABOUT.
THE CONSERVATIVES WANTED A DEAL
A LONG TIME AGO UNDER ANDREW
SCHEER, SO CLEARLY AN ISSUE FOR
THEM TO RESPOND TO AND FOR NEW
DEMOCRATS AS WELL.
SO LOOK IN THE DAYS AHEAD,
ROSIE, FOR THE KIND OF
POSITIONING THAT WILL GO ON
AROUND HERE.
THE LIBERALS WANT TO SELL WHAT
WHATEVER IS AGREED TO AS A
BETTER DEAL THAN WHAT THEY WOULD
HAVE GOTTEN HAD THEY NOT HELD
OUT AS LONG AS THEY HAVE.
BUT THE OPPOSITION PARTIES WILL
CLEARLY TRY TO FIND WHAT'S
WRONG, WHAT'S MISSING, WHAT
SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY WILL BE
AT RISK.
AND WHERE THE POLITICAL UPSIDE
CAN BE GAPED.
>> Rosemary: CHRIS HALL HERE
WITH US TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, CHRIS.
SO AN AGREEMENT HAS BEEN
REACHED.
NOW WHAT?
WELL, FIRST IT WON'T BE LAW
RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.
IT WILL BE 60 DAYS NOW BEFORE
THE SIGNATURE PROCESS IS
COMPLETE.
THAT IS IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND THEN IT GOES TO CONGRESS TO
BE RATIFIED SO WE'RE LOOKING AT
LATE WINTER OR EARLY SPRING BUT
AT THE VERY LEAST IT'S NOT
FALLEN APART.
WE'LL FOLLOW IT HERE ON CBC NEWS
NETWORK, A DEAL REACHED ON
NAFTA.
STAY WITH US, IT'S GOING TO BE A
BUSY ONE.
>> Adrienne: STILL TO COME
THIS HOUR ON "THE NATIONAL," A
B.C. WOMAN SAYS THAT THE
PROVINCE ISN'T HELPING PROBLEM
GAMBLERS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST SO
LUCRATIVE.
SHE TELLS HER STORY TO OUR "GO
PUBLIC" TEAM AHEAD.
>> Rosemary: AFTER A TORNADO
RIPPED THROUGH OTTAWA AND
GATINEAU, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
WERE LEFT WITH LITTLE OR NO CELL
SERVICE.
ADRIAEVAN DYER INVESTIGATES.
>> Adrienne: FIRST, MANY LIVES
ARE STILL AT RISK TWO DAYS AFTER
AFTER EARTHQUAKE AND A TSUNAMI.
>>> TONIGHT PARTS OF INDONESIA
LOOK MORE LIKE A LANDFILL SITE
STREWN WITH WRECKAGE THAN A
PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVED AND
WORKED.
THE SHEER DESTRUCTION IS
HORRIFYING ON ITS OWN
BUT THE DEATH TOLL IS SURGING.
THE ESTIMATES WENT FROM DOZENS
DEAD ON FRIDAY NIGHT TO MORE
THAN 800 CONFIRMED TODAY.
TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED...
AS A MASSIVE WAVE BORE DOWN ON
THE COASTAL CITY OF PALU, PEOPLE
REACTED IN TERROR.
IT WAS TRIGGERED BY A 7.5
MAGNITUDE EARTHQUAKE THAT STRUCK
NORTH OF PALU CLOSE TO DONGGALA,
A REGION OF ABOUT 300,000 PEOPLE
THAT HAS BEEN CUT OFF EVER
SINCE.
FOR NOW MOST CONFIRMED
CASUALTIES ARE IN PALU.
ON SATURDAY WOMEN JUST WEPT IN
THE STREETS AFTER AN AFTERSHOCK
MADE THOSE FRAYED NERVES MUCH
WORSE.
WITH THE LOCAL AIRPORT CLOSED
YESTERDAY, RELIEF WORKERS HAD TO
MAKE THEIR WAY BY ROAD FROM THE
NEXT NEAREST AIRPORT.
THAT'S ABOUT A 12-HOUR DRIVE.
AND ALL OF THOSE ROADS ARE LINED
WITH BODY BAGS THAT OFFICIALS
SAY THAT AT LEAST 17,000 PEOPLE
HAVE BEEN LEFT HOMELESS.
A TSUNAMI EARLY WARNING SYSTEM
HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT THERE
FOR YEARS WITH THE HELP OF
INTERNATIONAL FUNDING, BUT WHEN
A POWERFUL EARTHQUAKE HIT IN
2016 IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE
22 UNDERWATER SENSORS JUST
DIDN'T WORK, EITHER BECAUSE OF
VANDALISM OR POOR MAINTENANCE.
RENÉE FILIPPONE WATCHES
DEVELOPING STORIES LIKE THIS FOR
US ON SUNDAY NIGHTS.
SO, RENEE, WHAT'S THE LATEST ON
THE RECOVERY EFFORT?
>> Reporter: WELL, ADRIENNE,
IT'S EARLY MONDAY MORNING IN
INDONESIA AND THE SEARCH IS
GETTING UNDERWAY FOR YET ANOTHER
DAY.
RIGHT NOW THE DEATH TOLL SITS AT
832, BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY WILL
GROW.
OFFICIALS ON THE GROUND FEAR
THAT THOUSANDS ARE DEAD, PARTLY
BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS HOW MANY
PEOPLE ARE STILL TRAPPED.
NOW NEW HEAVY EQUIPMENT HAS
ARRIVED TO GET TO THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE TRAPPED.
IT'S BELIEVED THAT HUNDREDS ARE
BURIED IN JUST ONE RESIDENTIAL
COMPLEX THAT COLLAPSED.
THREE DAYS AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE
RESCUERS SAY THEY CAN STILL HEAR
VOICES.
NOW THE EFFORT IS PARTICULARLY
CHALLENGING BECAUSE
THE HARDEST HIT AREAS ARE TOUGH
TO ACCESS, ROADS AND BRIDGES
WERE WASHED OUT.
THE AIRPORT WAS DAMAGED AND IT
IS NOW BACK OPEN BUT ONLY FOR
EMERGENCY CREWS.
SO IT'S NOW A RACE AGAINST THE
CLOCK FOR THE TEAMS ON THE
GROUND.
>> THE MAIN THING IS ABOUT
HEALTH ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE
RISKS.
THEY ARE LIVING UNDER THE TENT
AND IN THE
OPEN SPACE AND OPEN AIR.
AND THIS MAKES THEM PRONE TO
DISEASE AND ALSO MOSQUITOES AND
OPEN SPACE MAY MAKE THEM
VULNERABLE TO SICKNESS.
>> Reporter: NOW THERE'S A
DESPERATE NEED IN THE AREA NOW
FOR FOOD, WATER, AND HEALTH
CARE.
AND THE SAD REALITY, ADRIENNE,
IS THAT WITH SO MANY DEAD IN
THIS REMOTE AND INACCESSIBLE
AREA, CREWS ARE NOW DIGGING MASS
GRAVES IN ORDER TO HELP TO
PREVENT THE SPREAD OF DISEASE.
ADRIENNE?
>> Adrienne: RENEE, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
ONE IN PARTICULAR IS GETTING
ATTENTION.
IT'S THE FUNERAL FOR A
21-YEAR-OLD.
HIS NAME WAS ANTONIAS.
THAT'S A NAME THAT INDONESIANS
MAY TALK ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.
HE WAS WORKING AS AN AIR TRAFFIC
CONTROLLER IN PALU WHEN THE
EARTHQUAKE STRUCK.
WHEN THE BUILDING BEGAN TO SHAKE
AND HIS COLLEAGUES LEFT, HE
STAYED BEHIND.
THERE WAS ONE LAST FLIGHT THAT
HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT TOOK
OFF SAFELY.
ONCE IT DID, HE JUMPED FROM THE
FOURTH FLOOR WINDOW OF THE TOWER
THINKING THAT IT WAS ON THE
VERGE OF COLLAPSE.
HE BROKE SOME BONES AND RECEIVED
SOME INTERNAL INJURIES AND HE
DIDN'T MAKE IT.
THE PILOT OF THE FLIGHT HE
SAFELY CLEARED POSTED A VIDEO OF
HIS VIEW ONCE AIRBORNE AND WROTE
ON INSTAGRAM, "THANK YOU FOR
KEEPING ME AND GUARDING ME SO
I'M SAFELY AIRBORNE."
SO WHILE WE TALK ABOUT NAFTA
THERE'S ANOTHER STORY THAT IS
DOMINATING HEADLINES IN THE
UNITED STATES.
THE U.S. SUPREME COURT BEGINS A
NEW TERM TOMORROW MORNING,
MISSING ITS NINTH JUDGE,
EFFECTIVELY THE TIE-BREAKER.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S NOMINEE
BRETT KAVANAUGH IS BACK UNDER
INVESTIGATION BY THE F.B.I. OVER
SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS.
NOW AS PAUL HUNTER TELLS US,
QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS STILL
HOVER OVER THAT INVESTIGATION.
>> JUDGE KAVANAUGH, ARE YOU
READY TO BEGIN?
>> OH, HELL YEAH.
[laughter]
>> Reporter: IT WAS, INDEED,
THE STUFF OF INSTANT MOCKERY.
LAST NIGHT "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE"
WITH MATT DAMON'S PARODY OF A
PERFORMANCE THAT HAS BAFFLED SO
MANY AMERICANS.
>> WOULD YOU AGREE TO AN F.B.I.
INVESTIGATION?
>> YOU WANT A REAL
INVESTIGATION?
JUST LOOK AT -- LOOK AT MY
CALENDAR.
[laughter]
I'M INNOCENT OF THIS CHARGE.
>> AND YOU'RE PREPARED FOR AN
F.B.I. INVESTIGATION?
>> Reporter: THE REAL-LIFE
BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO SEEMED TO
EVADE THAT QUESTION LAST WEEK
NOW FACES AN F.B.I.
INVESTIGATION REGARDLESS.
DIGGING INTO HIS SCHOOL DAYS AND
SOME OF THOSE ALLEGATIONS OF
SEXUAL ASSAULT, PROMPTED BY LAST
WEEK'S TESTIMONY BY CHRISTINE
BLASEY FORD.
>> I BELIEVED HE WAS GOING
TO RAPE ME.
>> Reporter: BUT TODAY THE
QUESTION IS QUICKLY BECOME HOW
FAR WILL THE F.B.I. BE ALLOWED
TO GO WITH REPORTS THIS WEEKEND
SUGGESTING THAT IT'S BEING TOLD
TO LIMIT WHERE IT LOOKS.
WORRYING THE DEMOCRATS.
>> I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS
BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE SHOULD
NOT BE ALLOWED TO MICROMANAGE AN
F.B.I. INVESTIGATION.
>> President Donald Trump: I
WOULD EXPECT THAT IT'S GOING TO
TURN OUT VERY WELL...
>> Reporter: FROM THE WHITE
HOUSE, MIXED SIGNALS.
DONALD TRUMP SAYING THAT THE
F.B.I. CAN INTERVIEW WHOMEVER
THEY WANT.
>> IT WILL BE LIMITED IN
SCOPE...
>> Reporter: BUT TRUMP
COUNSELLOR KELLYANNE CONWAY
TODAY EMPHASIZED THE F.B.I.'S
RESTRICTIONS.
>> NOT GOING TO BE A PHISHING
EXPEDITION.
>> Reporter: BUT THEN CONWAY
HAD ANOTHER UNEXPECTED COMMENT
ABOUT HER OWN LIFE EXPERIENCE.
>> I FEEL VERY EMPATHETIC,
FRANKLY, FOR VICTIMS OF SEXUAL
ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT
AND RAPE.
THAT -- I AM A VICTIM OF A
SEXUAL ASSAULT.
>> Reporter: SHE GAVE NO OTHER
DETAILS, BUT WHILE MAKING NO
SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THE
KAVANAUGH HEARING SHE EMPHASIZED
VICTIMS OF ASSAULT SHOULD BE
HEARD BUT IN A COURTROOM, NOT ON
CAPITOL HILL.
>> WE DO TREAT PEOPLE
DIFFERENTLY WHO ARE EITHER THE
VICTIMS OR PERPETRATORS OF THIS
BASED ON THEIR POLITICS NOW AND
BASED ON THEIR GENDER.
AND IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE.
AMERICA, IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE.
>> Reporter: MEANWHILE THE
F.B.I. IS MOVING QUICKLY.
TODAY INTERVIEWING DEBORAH
RAMIREZ, THE SECOND WOMAN
ACCUSING KAVANAUGH OF SEXUAL
MISCONDUCT.
SHE IS SAID TO HAVE ANSWERED
THEIR QUESTIONS AND PROVIDED THE
NAMES OF WITNESSES.
PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Adrienne: A NEW
REUTERS/IPSOS POLL SHOWS THAT
THE DIVIDE AMONG AMERICANS OVER
THE SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATION
SAYS REALLY DEEP.
42% OF ADULTS POLLED SAY THEY
BELIEVE FORD'S ALLEGATIONS
AGAINST KAVANAUGH.
31% SAY THEY DO NOT BELIEVE
THEM.
AND 27% SAID THEY JUST DON'T
KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE.
>>> Rosemary: BACK TO POLITICS
IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE DRAMA
THAT IS BUILDING IN QUÉBEC AFTER
39 DAYS OF CAMPAIGNING.
THE ELECTION IS HOURS AWAY AND
THE PARTY LEADERS MADE FINAL
PITCHES TO VOTERS.
THE LIBERAL LEADER PHILIPPE
COUILLARD DID A BLITZ WHERE HIS
ERNING PARTY DID SEEM TO BE
SLIPPING OR LOSING THE
FRANCOPHONE VOTE.
THE POLLS HAVE THEM
NECK-AND-NECK AND THERE'S
PARALLELS WITH LAST WEEK'S VOTE
IN NEW BRUNSWICK WHERE NO PARTY
MANAGED TO WIN A CLEAR MAJORITY.
CBC'S JAELA BERNSTIEN LOOKS AT
WHAT
HAS CHANGED AND TALKS TO VOTERS
WHO ARE PAYING AWFULLY CLOSE
ATTENTION.
[Applause]
>> Reporter: AFTER FOUR YEARS
OF LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, MANY
QUÉBECERS HAVE A THIRST FOR
CHANGE.
>> PICKING THE THING THAT IS
LESS WORSE AND THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT I THINK THAT ALL OF THE
QUÉBECERS HAVE BEEN DOING LATELY
TO JUST PICK WHAT IS LESS WORSE.
>> Reporter: POLLS SUGGEST
THAT VOTERS MAY BE READY TO
ELECT A NEW PARTY, ONE THAT'S
NEVER FORMED GOVERNMENT BEFORE.
FRANÇOIS LEGAULT'S COALITION
AVENIR QUÉBEC.
THOUGH SOME WORRY THAT IT WOULD
BE A CHANGE IN NAME ONLY.
>> NOT JUST BRING NEW IDEAS AND
JUST CRUISE ON THE WIND OF
CHANGE IDEA.
>> Reporter: SOME ARE ALSO
FEELING DISCOURAGED BY THE MUD
SLINGING AND THE PERSONAL
ATTACKS THAT HAVE COLOURED THE
FINAL WEEK OF THE CAMPAIGN.
>> THEY COULD TALK ABOUT, LIKE,
WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO CHANGE,
BUT INSTEAD THEY'RE JUST
ATTACKING EACH OTHER.
AND IT'S SAD.
>> Reporter: FOR THE PAST 48
YEARS THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT HAS
SEE-SAWED BETWEEN THE FEDERALIST
LIBERALS AND THE SOVEREIGNIST
PARTI QUEBECOIS.
THAT POLITICAL DYNAMIC APPEARS
TO BE ON ITS WAY OUT.
>> NOTHING IS FOR SURE,
EVERYTHING IS UP IN THE AIR AS
WE SPEAK.
BUT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT
MR. LEGAULT WILL BE HEADING A
MINORITY GOVERNMENT.
>> Reporter: FOR MUCH OF THE
CAMPAIGN THE C.A.Q. AND THE
LIBERALS HAVE BEEN NECK-IN-NECK
WHEN IT COMES TO THE POPULAR
VOTE.
BECAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE THE
OTHER TWO PARTIES, THE P.Q. AND
QUÉBEC SOLIDAIRE, COULD
INFLUENCE A MINORITY GOVERNMENT.
>> ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE
BEEN TALKING TO ABOUT THE
ELECTIONS THEY SAY THAT THE
QUÉBEC SOLIDAIRE IS GETTING TO
GET MORE SEATS, I GUESS.
WHICH IS GOOD.
>> Reporter: WHILE MANY YOUNG
MONTREALERS FEEL THAT
WAY, IT MIGHT BE DECIDED BY
BALLOTS CAST OUTSIDE THE CITY IN
THE REST OF THE PROVINCE.
>> THE C.A.Q. IS CONCENTRATING
ON THOSE RIDINGS, ON THOSE SEATS
TO WIN.
SO THEY MIGHT JUST WIN THE
GOVERNMENT WITHOUT HAVING A
SINGLE RIDING ON THE ISLAND OF
MONTRÉAL.
>> Reporter: STILL, HE SAYS
THAT AFTER YEARS OF COVERING
QUÉBEC POLITICS THAT HE LEARNED
TO ALWAYS BE READY FOR A
SURPRISE.
>> Rosemary: JAELA IS JOINING
ME NOW FROM QUÉBEC CITY.
JAELA, THERE WAS ONE ISSUE THAT
NOT A
LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT
DURING THIS CAMPAIGN AND THAT'S
SOVEREIGNTY.
WHY NOT?
>> Reporter: WELL, ONE OF THE
THINGS AT PLAY HERE IS THAT THE
SOVEREIGNIST PARTI QUEBECOIS,
THEY HAVE SAID IF THEY WERE TO
BE ELECTED THEY WOULD ONLY HOLD
A REFERENDUM IN A SECOND MANDATE
MANDATE.
SO FAR THEY HAVE BEEN POLLING
THIS THIRD PLACE.
BUT ANOTHER FACTOR THAT YOU HAVE
TO CONSIDER IS THAT WHEN YOU
TALK TO THE AVERAGE QUÉBECER,
EVEN IF THEY DO BELIEVE IN
SOVEREIGNTY, THAT'S JUST REALLY
WHAT'S NOT TOP OF MIND FOR A LOT
OF PEOPLE RIGHT IN THIS
PROVINCE.
THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH PRESSING
ISSUES LIKE HEALTH CARE,
EDUCATION, TRANSIT AND
INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO REALLY WE'VE BEEN SEEING A
FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT, AT LEAST IN
THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN, IN THE
WAY THAT ELECTION CAMPAIGNS IN
QUÉBEC PLAY OUT.
>> Rosemary: JAELA, IT WILL BE
AN EXCITING NIGHT TOMORROW
NIGHT.
WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.
>> Reporter: MY PLEASURE.
>> Rosemary: WE'RE TRACKING
THE BREAKING NEWS, A DEAL HAS
BEEN REACHED ON NAFTA.
AT THIS HOUR THE PRIME MINISTER
IS INSIDE HIS OFFICE WITH
CABINET MINISTERS HOLDING A
MEETING.
>> Reporter: DEAL OR NO DEAL,
MR. PRIME MINISTER?
DEAL OR NO DEAL?
>> Rosemary: HERE HE IS
ARRIVING JUST A COUPLE HOURS
AGO.
NOT REVEALING ANYTHING.
BUT, HE WAS HEADING THERE TO
MEET WITH CABINET MINISTERS AND
TO GIVE THEM A BRIEFING ABOUT
WHERE THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE AT
AFTER MORE THAN 13 MONTHS OF
TALKS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES
AND CANADA AND MEXICO.
THAT IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE
BUILDING AT THIS HOUR.
WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT
THE DEAL AND, OF COURSE, THE
DETAILS OF WHAT CANADA WON AND
WHAT WE CONCEDED WHR. IT BE ON
CHAPTER 19, DISPUTE RESOLUTION
MECHANISM.
DAIRY AND ALSO AUTOS.
SOME OF THE KEY STICKING POINTS
IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS.
WE'LL HAVE MORE FOR YOU
THROUGHOUT THE EVENING.
BUT STILL AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL," THE SUNDAY INTERVIEW.
MARK CRITCH TALKS ABOUT THE
COMEDY BUG AND MAKING FUN OF
POLITICIANS AND THAT ONE TIME
THAT HE MIGHT HAVE GONE A LITTLE
TOO FAR.
>> Adrienne: AND WE LOOK AT
WHY SO MANY WERE LEFT WITHOUT
CELL SERVICE AFTER THE
DEVASTATING TORNADOES IN ONTARIO
AND QUÉBEC.
>> Rosemary: AND A HARD LOOK
AT THE PROFITS THAT PROVINCES
MAKE FROM GAMBLING.
>> I HAVE FLASH BACKS OF ME
CRYING HYSTERICALLY AT THE
MACHINE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME
WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.
>> Rosemary: WE'LL TALK TO ONE
WOMAN WHO IS TAKING ON THE B.C.
GOVERNMENT WHEN SHE "GOES
PUBLIC."
THAT IS NEXT.
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>> Adrienne: THAT CLEANUP IS
WELL UNDERWAY IN THE
OTTAWA-GATINEAU REGION BUT SO
MUCH HAS BEEN RUINED, SO MANY
PROBLEMS LAID BARE.
THAT INCLUDES A SITUATION
OFFICIALS REALISED IN THE EARLY
AFTERMATH OF THE STORM, THE
INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE BOTH
WITH THEIR STAFF AND THE PUBLIC.
EVAN DYER EXPLAINS WHY THAT
HAPPENED AND WHAT IT COULD MEAN.
>> Reporter: THE TORNADOES
TORE A SWATH OF DESTRUCTION
THROUGH THE NATION'S CAPITAL,
WRECKING HOMES AND UPROOTING
TREES.
WHEN IT WAS OVER THE CITY'S CELL
TOWERS WERE STILL STANDING.
BUT AS THE HOURS TICKED BY
PEOPLE BEGAN TO NOTICE A STRANGE
PHENOMENON, INCLUDING THE CITY'S
MANAGER.
>> MY CELLPHONE ON FRIDAY NIGHT
WAS NOT WORKING AND I COULDN'T
GET A SIGNAL.
I HAD TO LEAVE MY HOUSE AND
DRIVE INTO TOWN UNTIL I FOUND A
COUPLE BARS SO I COULD OPERATE
WITH THE EMERGENCY OPERATION
CENTRE.
I WAS SITTING IN THE CAR IN MY
PYJAMAS.
IT'S THE TRUTH, I SWEAR TO GOD.
>> Reporter: THE TORNADOES
BROUGHT MASSIVE POWER CUTS AND
AS THE POWER CUTS DRAGGED ON,
THE CELL TOWERS AROUND THE CITY
SAW
THEIR SIGNALS WEAKEN AND THEN
WINK OUT.
>> IT'S NOT A SURPRISE BECAUSE
OUR CELLPHONES CONNECT TO THE
CELLULAR TOWERS AND CELLULAR
TOWERS, THEY ARE POWERED BY THE
GRID.
SO IF THERE'S AN OUTAGE OF THE
POWER GRIDS THERE'S DEFINITELY
PROBLEMS WITH CELL
COMMUNICATIONS.
SO MOST OF THE TIME THEY HAVE
BACKUP BATTERIES BUT THOSE
BACKUP BATTERIES WILL ONLY LAST
FOR A SHORT TIME.
>> Reporter: THE PROBLEM IS
MADE WORSE BY THE FACT THAT
AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER
CELLPHONE USE TYPICALLY GOES UP
AS PEOPLE CALL 911 AND CHECK ON
FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
AND THAT DRAWS DOWN THE
BATTERIES EVEN FASTER.
>> THEY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS,
THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY A BIG
PROBLEM IN THE INDUSTRY.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE BACKUP
BATTERIES AND THAT'S WHY ALSO
SOMETIMES THEY HAVE EVEN DIESEL
ENGINES THERE.
BUT, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE
EXTREME WEATHER SUCH AS A
TORNADO, THEN YOU WOULD
HAVE BIG TROUBLE.
>> Reporter: BEFORE THE SWITCH
TO WIRELESS THE SYSTEM WASN'T
THIS VULNERABLE.
>> THE PREVIOUS PHONE SYSTEM,
COPPER ONE, THE PHONE COMPANIES
TENDED TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT
RUNNING TWO, THREE DAYS WITHOUT
RUNNING OUT OF GENERATOR POWER.
SO THAT'S SORT OF A BASELINE
STANDARD, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD
TRY TO GET BACK TO.
THE NETWORK, I GUESS THAT I'LL
CALL IT RESILIENCE, HASN'T BEEN
REGULATED FOR SOME TIME.
SO THE LAST QUALITY OF SERVICE,
IF YOU'LL CALL IT, REGULATIONS,
WERE
RETIRED IN 2008 AND 2009.
IN THE NAME OF -- YOU KNOW, THE
OPEN MARKET AND THIS SORT OF
THING TO LOOK AFTER ITSELF.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE FREE
MARKET DOESN'T TEND TO SPEND
MONEY ON EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.
>> Reporter: WITH CLIMATE
CHANGE BRINGING EVER STRONGER
STORMS AND CELLPHONE NETWORKS
REQUIRING EVER MORE ELECTRICITY,
MANY EXPERTS SAY THAT IT'S TIME
TO THINK ABOUT GETTING MORE
BACKUP POWER TO KEEP THE
NETWORKS THAT PEOPLE DEPEND ON
UP AND RUNNING.
EVAN DYER, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.
>> Rosemary: STILL AHEAD ON
"THE NATIONAL," THIS GUY IS A
REAL SON OF A CRITCH.
WORRIED THERE, WEREN'T YOU?
IN OUR "SUNDAY INTERVIEW," MARK
CRITCH TALKS TO ME ABOUT HIS
ISOLATED CHILDHOOD, GETTING HIS
FIRST BIG LAUGH AND MAKING IT
BIG WITH PROUD SHADDY PARENTS.
>> I HEAR THAT YOU'LL BE THE NEW
RICK MERCER.
AND I'M LIKE, WHO TOLD YOU THIS?
AND SOMEONE SAID, YOUR DAD HAS
BEEN CALLING THE MEDIA.
I HAVE A SCOOP FOR YOU
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>> Rosemary: TO SOME CANADIANS
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR WAS
INVENTED FOR POSTCARDS, A
LANDSCAPE OF JAGGED COASTLINES
AND FISHING BOATS AND THE
MAGNETIC PULL OF THE OCEAN.
FOR MARK CRITCH, NEWFOUNDLAND IS
HOME.
AND WHILE HE DOESN'T SEE HIS
BELOVED PROVINCE IN QUITE THE
SAME LIGHT, HIS GROWING UP IN
1980s ST. JOHN'S DOES EXPLAIN
A FEW THINGS.
(*)
MARK CRITCH IS ONE OF THE MOST
RECOGNIZABLE FACES IN CANADIAN
COMEDY.
>> WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
>> Rosemary: BEST KNOWN AS AN
ANCHOR AND ROVING REPORTER ON
"22 MINUTES."
>> THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS,
SIR.
YOU CAN CHOKE PEOPLE AND YOU CAN
--
[laughter]
>> Rosemary: THROUGHOUT HIS
CAREER HE'S TAKEN AIM AT A LOT
OF BIG NAMES -- FROM FELLOW
NEWFOUNDLANDER ALAN DOYLE.
>> WHAT ARE YOU ASKING?
>> Rosemary: TO PRIME MINISTER
JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
EVEN THAT GUY SOUTH OF THE
BORDER.
>> IT'S NOT RAINING, DO NOT
TWEET THAT IT IS RAINING.
GOD IS NOT PEEING ON ME.
>> THERE'S A BASILICA BEHIND US
AT
THE TOP OF THE HILL.
>> Rosemary: COMING FROM A
PROVINCE KNOWN FOR STORYTELLING,
CRITCH IS TELLING HIS.
>> I DON'T SWIM AND I DON'T
SKATE AND I DON'T RIDE A BIKE.
>> Rosemary: HAS MEMOIR PAINTS
A PICTURE OF GROWING UP IN
NEWFOUNDLAND THAT IS A LITTLE
DIFFERENT THAN YOU MIGHT THINK.
>> IT IS NOT A LIGHTHOUSE AND NO
SCHOONERS AND IT'S NOT THE
NEWFOUNDLAND EXPERIENCE.
>> Rosemary: I MET UP WITH
MARK CRITCH IN ST. JOHN'S FOR A
TOUR.
THIS PLACE, WHAT IS IT CALLED
LPSU HALL?
>> THE LSPU HALL.
>> Rosemary: THE LSPU HALL.
WHAT IS THIS PLACE TO YOU?
>> THIS ORIGINALLY WAS A LONG
SHOREMAN PROTECTED UNION.
THE LONG SHOREMEN WOULD COME
HERE AND YELL AND SCREAM.
AND THE ARTSY CROWD AND THEY DID
A THEATRE HERE.
SO THIS IS WHERE I -- WHEN I WAS
15 YEARS OLD I DID MY FIRST SHOW
HERE.
I CAME DOWN HERE AND ASKED TO
RENT IT AND THEY GAVE US ON A
60/40 SPLIT AND WE DID THE SHOW.
AND AFTERWARDS WHEN THEY GAVE ME
THE 60% I THOUGHT THEY MADE A
MISTAKE AND TOOK OFF.
YES, THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE
THAT I PERFORMED ANYTHING THAT I
HAD EVER WRITTEN.
>> Rosemary: SO PART OF YOUR
CHILDHOOD IS DEFINED BY WHERE
YOU LIVED, WHICH WE'LL GO AND
CHECK OUT.
BUT SORT OF REMOTE, THE HOUSE
CAME WITH YOUR DAD'S JOB AS A
REPORTER?
>> YEAH.
DAD WAS BASICALLY A LIGHTHOUSE
KEEPER BUT HIS LIGHTHOUSE WAS A
RADIO STATION.
AND DAD WAS A JOURNALIST.
SO HE WAS THE LAST LIVING PERSON
TO COVER CONFEDERATION WITH
CANADA.
AND THEN WHEN HE WAS WITH THE
NEWSPAPER.
AND THEN HE WENT INTO RADIO.
AND HE WAS VERY WELL KNOWN
AROUND HERE FOR CRIME REPORTS
BECAUSE HE HAD A VERY ST. JOHN
TOWNIE ACCENT.
MIKE CRITCH... IT WAS THE WAY
THAT HE SPOKE.
AND EVERYBODY KNEW, EVERYBODY
COULD DO AN IMPRESSION OF DAD.
BUT HE -- WE LIVED RIGHT NEXT
DOOR TO THE STATION WHICH WAS ON
BASICALLY THE TRANS-CANADA
HIGHWAY BECAUSE IT WAS -- THEY
NEEDED A HIGH POINT FOR THE
TRANSMITTER.
>> SO SOMETIMES THE BIG BLACK
CAR WOULD PULL UP HERE AND JOEY
SMALLWOOD WOULD JUST PUT DOWN
THE WINDOW OF THE CAR AND KIND
OF LEAN OUT AND YOU'D LOOK UP,
THERE'S THE PREMIER.
HOW ARE THINGS TODAY?
THINGS ARE WONDERFUL, AND THINGS
ARE FINE, THINGS ARE
INCREDIBLE -- JOBS, JOBS, JOBS
AND
THEN THE CAR WOULD PEEL AWAY.
HE WOULDN'T EVEN GET OUT OF THE
CAR SO THAT WAS VERY EXCITING
FOR ME.
>> Rosemary: YOUR MOM TOO WAS
A STORYTELLER AND A GOSSIP IT
SOUNDED LIKE?
SHE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING
EVERYWHERE.
>> MOM -- MOM WAS PERPETUALLY
TALKING, LIKE CONSTANTLY.
>> Rosemary: ONE OF THE BEST
STORIES AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
YOU WERE ASTHMATIC -- EPILEPTIC.
SO ONE OF THE BEST STORIES IS
WHEN THE POPE COMES TO TOWN AND
SHE GETS IN HER HEAD THAT HE CAN
CURE YOU.
>> WELL, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A
CURE, BUT IT'S YOUR THAT SON HAS
WHAT THE BIBLICAL WRITERS WOULD
SAY IS DEMONS.
AND THE PONTIFF HAPPENS TO BE IN
TOWN.
HE'S DOES A DRIVE-BY.
THERE'S A CHANCE, RIGHT?
>> STEPPING ON NEWFOUNDLAND
SOIL...
>> AND THE POPE HAD NEVER BEEN
HERE BEFORE.
AND SO, YEAH, SO THEY BROUGHT ME
DOWNTOWN.
AND WE WERE OUT AND THERE WAS A
HORRIBLE STORM AND WE HAD TO
WAIT FOR THE POPE TO GO BY.
AND THAT WAS IT.
AND IT'S LIKE YOU FEEL BETTER?
I GUESS.
AND, YEAH, AND THEN WE WERE
TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE AND
THE TRAFFIC WAS SO BAD SO SHE
KEPT DRIVING.
THEN THE CANADIAN ARMY TRIED TO
SAY YOU CAN'T AND DOWN HERE.
AND MOM SAID, JUST PRETEND THAT
YOU'RE HAVING AN ASTHMA ATTACK.
I HAVE TO GET MY SON TO THE
HOSPITAL, WING HER THROUGH, AND
WE HAD A MOTORCADE OF POLICE AND
I'M FAKE WHEEZING IN THE BACK.
AND ACTUALLY TO START TO
ACTUALLY WHEEZE.
IT WAS THAT KIND OF THING.
>> Rosemary: I UNDERSTOOD YOUR
MOM WHEN YOU TOLD THAT STORY.
>> SCREW THIS, WE'RE GOING
THROUGH.
THAT KIND OF THING.
AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO ME,
THAT KIND OF THING, BECAUSE
LATER
ON PEOPLE WOULD SAY, NO, THE
PRIME MINISTER WON'T DO AN
INTERVIEW, OR, NO,
YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE BECAUSE SO
AND SO IS IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, I'LL FAKE AN ASTHMA
ATTACK AND GO THROUGH.
THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY, RIGHT,
THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY.
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
I WONDERED BEING IN THAT HOUSE
SORT OF
ISOLATED, I WONDER WHETHER THAT
HELPED YOU TO BECOME THE PERSON
THAT YOU ARE IN SOME WAY WITH
YOUR IMAGINATION OR WITH YOUR --
>> YEAH, I GUESS THAT THERE'S --
THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS TO GO I
WOULD GUESS.
IT WOULD BE LIKE SOME FORM OF
ENTERTAINER OR SERIAL KILLER.
I THINK THAT THERE'S TWO, YOU
KNOW, KIND OF CAREER PATHS AT
THAT POINT.
>> RIGHT HERE WAS WHERE I DID
EVERYTHING.
SO, LIKE, I WOULD BE -- MY
BEDROOM WAS RIGHT HERE AND THE
TV WAS RIGHT HERE.
SO I WOULD SIT HERE AND JUST
WATCH WAYNE AND SCHUSTER FOR
HOURS.
>> Rosemary: IT'S NOT A VERY
BIG HOUSE.
>> IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS
THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
IT WAS JUST A TINY HOUSE BY
TODAY'S STANDARDS, YOU KNOW.
YOU VERY MUCH WERE LEFT TO YOUR
OWN DEVICES AND YOU HAD TO COME
UP WITH SOMETHING.
SO, YEAH, THE STORIES AND THE
CHARACTERS AND LITTLE PLAYS AND
ACTION FIGURES, WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOUR
WHOLE WORLD IS KIND OF IN YOUR
HEAD.
>> Rosemary: WHICH BECAME SORT
OF THE CHALLENGE THEN WHEN YOU
GOT SENT OFF TO SCHOOL MUCH TO
YOUR HORROR?
>> YEAH.
>> Rosemary: YOU THOUGHT THEY
WERE JOKING?
>> I THOUGHT THIS IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO A
GENTLEMAN.
I HAVE A FINE LIFE HERE.
YES.
I KNEW MY BROTHER
GOT ON THE SCHOOL BUS BUT HE WAS
MUCH OLDER.
AND NOT AS OUTGOING AS I WAS.
SURELY TO GOD.
BUT, NO, I HAD NO IDEA.
AND IT
WASN'T A BIG THING ABOUT IT
EITHER.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT WHEN I
GREW UP THERE WAS NO KIDS AROUND
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN MY MOM IS
LIKE YOU NEED A BOOKBAG.
AND I WONDER WHAT THAT IS FOR.
AND THEN THE BUS COMES, THERE
YOU GO.
SHOULD WE NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT
THIS MORE?
AND I GET ON THE BUS AND I HAD
NEVER SEEN THAT MANY KIDS.
THERE'S LIKE 30 KIDS ON THE BUS
OR SOMETHING.
AND I'M LIKE HI.
WHAT THE HELL DO I DO NOW?
THEN WE GET TO THE PARKING LOT
AND THEN
THERE'S OTHER BUSES AND I'M LIKE
SURELY TO GOD THEY DON'T HAVE
CHILDREN.
THEY DO.
AND THEN THERE WERE MORE KIDS
INSIDE THE BUILDING AND I
THOUGHT WHEN DOES THIS STOP?
WHEN DOES THIS STOP!
SO, YEAH, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO
INTERACT WITH MORE THAN ONE
CHILD AT A TIME OR SOMETHING.
>> Rosemary: AND YOU STARTED
TO -- I THINK THAT IT'S THE
FIRST TIME THAT YOU GOT A LAUGH
WHEN YOU HAD TO DO AN
INTRODUCTION OF A PLAY.
>> MY FIRST LAUGH, I WAS
PLAYING THE COLOUR YELLOW IN THE
BIG SHOW AT THE SCHOOL CONCERT.
AND THE ARCHBISHOP WAS THERE AND
EVERYTHING AND IT WAS A VERY BIG
DEAL.
AND I WAS SAYING ARCHBISHOP,
BISHOP, FATHERS, BROTHERS,
SISTERS, PARENTS, FRIENDS AND
PUPILS.
BUT I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT WORD
SO I WOULD SAY POOP-HILLS AND
THEY'D LAUGH.
POOL-HILLS, THEY'D LAUGH.
AND I AM LIKE POOP-HILLS AND
THEY LAUGHED.
POOO-HILLS AND I'M JUST KIND OF
GOING AND THEY HAVE THE BISHOP
GOING HA, HA, HA AND I'M LIKE,
HE GETS IT, HE GETS IT, HE LOVES
ME!
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
PUT ME BACK!
SO THAT WAS THE FIRST KIND OF,
OH, I SEE.
>> Rosemary: THEN IT BECAME
PLAYS AND THE COMEDY TROUPE.
>> COMEDY STUFF AND ALL OF THAT
STUFF, YEAH.
>> Rosemary: SO WHAT DID THEY
MAKE OF IT THEN WHEN THEY'D SEE
YOU TEASING THE PRIME MINISTER,
RUNNING AFTER MINISTERS.
BECAUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT
THAN BEING ON THE STAGE WHICH,
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS IMPRESSIVE IN
ITSELF.
BUT TO MAKE A JOB OUT OF MOCKING
PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF
AUTHORITY, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY
--
>> WELL, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS
ABOUT TO GET THE JOB.
WHEN MERCER LEFT AND THEN THEY
BROUGHT UP MYSELF AND THE
MAJUMDER TO TORONTO FOR
AUDITIONS.
AND SO THERE WAS ALL OF THIS
TALK OF US PAIN DOING IT.
AND THEN BACK HOME LOCALLY THAT
GOT AROUND.
SO I'M LIKE HOW DID THAT GET
AROUND BECAUSE I DIDN'T TELL
ANYBODY.
AND AFTERWARDS WHEN THEY SAID
THEY WANT YOU TO BE A WRITER AND
MEDIA PEOPLE ARE GOING, I HEAR
THAT
YOU'LL BE THE NEW RICK MERCER
AND ALL OF THIS STUFF.
AND I'M LIKE, WHAT, WHO TOLD YOU
THIS?
AND SOMEONE SAID THAT YOUR DAD
HAS BEEN CALLING THE MEDIA AND
TELLING THEM, I'VE GOT A SCOOP
FOR YOU,
BOB.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW THE KID.
I'VE GOT THE CONTRACT HERE.
LIKE, HE WAS VERY PROUD, THAT
KIND OF THING.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU WOULD SAY
SOMETHING OR SOMETHING WOULD
HAPPEN AND HE'D BE LIKE DID YOU
HAVE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW?
DID YOU HAVE TO GO THAT FAR.
>> Rosemary: WAS THERE
SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER
THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT YOU DID A
DISSERVICE --
>> WHEN -- WHEN CAROLYN PARRISH
GOT KIND OF PUSHED OUT OF
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE A GUY WAS
STEPPING ON A GEORGE BUSH DOLL
DURING THE WAR.
>> HI, I'M MARK CRITCH.
THIS WEEK ON "223 MINUTES"
WE'LL TALK TO CAROLYN PARRISH
ABOUT THIS GUY, GEORGE W. BUSH.
CAROLYN?
AND IT WAS LIKE YOU HAVE RUINED
THIS WOMAN'S LIFE.
WHICH SHE STEPPED ON IT.
I DIDN'T MEAN IT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKE A BIG
THING.
BECAUSE AT THE TIME I REMEMBER
GETTING OFF THE PLANE FROM THERE
AND THE TV BEING ON BACK AT WORK
AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT DID
YOU DO.
AND I TURNED AND DON NEWMAN WAS
THERE, AND AT THE 20 SECOND MARK
SHE STEPS ON THE HEAD OF GEORGE
BUSH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THIS
MEANS?
PANEL?
THEY HAVE A PANEL?
OH, NO!
SO I WAS LIKE, OH, GEEZ, YOU SEE
THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SOMETHING
THAT YOU DO.
BUT FOR THEM THEY THOUGHT IT WAS
A BIT MUCH.
THAT WAS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF
THE PAPER, THE "GLOBE & MAIL" OF
A PICTURE OF HER.
>> Rosemary: DID YOU THINK
THAT IT WAS TOO MUCH?
>> NO.
BUT I CALLED HER AFTERWARDS,
RIGHT, AND APOLOGIZED TO HER.
AND I'M LIKE I'M SO SORRY THIS
HAPPENS.
WE HAD A NICE TALK AND SHE SAID,
YOU KNOW WHAT, SCREW IT, IT'S
ALL
FINE AND EVERYTHING.
SHE WAS VERY NICE ABOUT IT.
>> Rosemary: I ASKED MERCER
THIS QUESTION WHEN HE WAS
WRAPPING UP THE SHOW AND IT IS
STILL SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT
SURE THAT I GET, NO MATTER HOW
MANY BOOKS I READ OR PEOPLE I
MEET.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS PLACE THAT
CREATES PEOPLE LIKE YOU, LIKE
MERCER, LIKE ALAN DOYLE, LIKE
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WITH THESE
AMAZING STORYTELLING ABILITIES
AND COMEDIC TALENTS?
THERE'S SOMETHING HERE.
WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT MAKES
PEOPLE DIFFERENT?
>> I THINK THAT IT'S THE SAME
THING THAT GOT ME GOING AND
LIVING IN THIS WEIRD HOUSE NEXT
TO A RADIO STATION.
SOMETHING ABOUT THE ISOLATION.
THERE'S SOMETHING IN
NEWFOUNDLANDERS AND LABRADORIANS
THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER IN A
SMALL PLACE THAT YOU DEPEND ON
EACH OTHER, IT'S A COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT IS WRONG.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU FIX
IT, THAT KIND OF A THING.
BUT THE STORYTELLING THING IS
LIKE BECAUSE OF THE ISOLATION
OVER THE YEARS IN THESE SMALL
COMMUNITIES YOU HAD TO ENTERTAIN
EACH OTHER AS WELL.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T PLAY AN
ACCORDION OR SING A SONGS OR
STEP DANCE OR SOMETHING, THE
ONLY THING THAT YOU WERE ALLOWED
TO DO WAS TALK.
SO YOU GOT TO BE GOOD AT
TALKING.
AND NEWFOUNDLANDERS ARE GOOD AT
TALKING.
IF YOU WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF A
NEWFOUNDLANDERS AND HAVE THEM
PAY YOU $10 TO TALK, YOU BETTER
TALK.
BECAUSE EVERYBODY THERE CAN TALK
BETTER THAN YOU.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT
SMALL PLACE AND ENTERTAINING
EACH OTHER IS WHERE A LOT OF
THAT COMES FROM.
>> Adrienne: I KNOW THAT YOU
LOVED THAT, ROSIE.
YOU KNOW, JUDGING FROM THE
EMAILS WHEN YOU WERE ON THAT
SHOOT I THOUGHT THAT WE'D NEED
AN EXTRACTION FORCE TO GET YOU
OFF THE ROCK.
I KNOW THAT YOU TWO COULD HAVE
TALKED FOR HOURS AND HOURS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU LEFT
ON THE FLOOR?
>> Rosemary: WELL, FIRST OF
ALL, I ATE COD AT EVERY MEAL,
LIKE EVEN AT BREAKFAST.
I DON'T THINK I HAD A VEGETABLE
THAT WASN'T A POTATO.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW,
NEWFOUNDLAND PEOPLE -- EVERYONE
SHOULD TRY TO GET THERE.
I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
THERE.
BUT IT'S A SPECIAL, SPECIAL PART
OF THIS COUNTRY.
AND THE PEOPLE THERE ARE SO WARM
AND SO GENEROUS, EVERYONE THAT
WE MET, BRINGING THEM INTO THEIR
HOMES AND TELLING US WHERE TO
EAT AND DRINK AND OTHER THINGS.
SO A GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY ALL.
>> Adrienne: ALL IN THE NAME
OF RESEARCH.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Adrienne: AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL," OUR MOMENT OF
A PROVOCATIVE POLITICAL CARTOON
BY
A CANADIAN ARTIST DRAWS
CONTROVERSY AROUND THE WORLD.
PUBLISHED IN HALIFAX'S
"CHRONICLE HERALD" IT'S BEING
SHARED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
BORDER AND IT'S SPARKING MIXED
REACTION.
BUT THE ARTIST SAYS THAT IT'S
MEANT TO PROVOKE.
>> IT PUTS YOU VERY, VERY MUCH
IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND THAT'S
KIND OF SHOCKING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY WAS
WHAT SHE DESCRIBED THE DAY
BEFORE.
AND SO I THINK THAT IT FORCED
PEOPLE TO ALMOST FEEL WHAT SHE
FELT.
>> Reporter: WHAT CAN YOU TELL
US ABOUT THE DEAL?
>> WE'LL HAVE IT TOMORROW.
>> Reporter: IT WILL BE
TOMORROW YOU SAID?
>> Rosemary: THIS IS OTTAWA
WHERE THE CABINET MINISTERS WERE
ARRIVING NOT LONG AGO TO THE
PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE BUILDING
FOR AN EMERGENCY CABINET
MEETING.
OF COURSE, THE BIG NEWS IS THAT
A DEAL HAS BEEN REACHED ON
NAFTA.
WE HAVE LEARNED ALREADY A LITTLE
BIT MORE ABOUT THE FINE PRINT OF
THAT DEAL.
KATIE SIMPSON, OF COURSE, HAS
DETAILS FOR US TONIGHT.
KATIE?
>> Reporter: ROSIE, THE
PRELIMINARY DETAILS THAT WE KNOW
ABOUT ONE THING THAT WILL BE
CONSIDERED A BIG WIN FOR THE
CANADIAN DELEGATION, THE NAFTA
TEAM, IS THAT CHAPTER 19, THE
INDEPENDENT DISPUTE RESOLUTION
SYSTEM, CBC NEWS HAS LEARNED
THAT IT WILL REMAIN INTACT,
WORD-FOR-WORD.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CANADA
HAD SAID WAS A RED LINE.
WE KNOW THAT THE AMERICANS
WANTED TO GET RID OF THE
INDEPENDENT RESOLUTION DISPUTE
SYSTEM.
AND IT WAS A PERSONAL PET PEEVE
OF THE LEAD AMERICAN HANDLING
THE NEGOTIATIONS.
U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE BOB
LIGHTHIZER.
CANADA IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE
MAKING SOME CONCESSIONS THOUGH.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS ON DAIRY.
WHAT WE'RE TOLD AT THIS STAGE IS
THAT THE DAIRY CONCESSIONS
CANADA WILL MAKE WILL BE VERY
SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT WERE MADE
IN THE ORIGINAL TRANSPACIFIC
PARTNERSHIP, OVER 3% MORE ACCESS
THAT AMERICAN FARMERS WILL BE
ABLE TO SELL THEIR GOODS IN
CANADA.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO SEE DETAILS
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH DAIRY.
DAIRY IS A VERY COMPLICATED
ISSUE.
SO THERE'S THAT AS WELL.
STEEL AND ALUMINUM TARIFFS WILL
NOT COME OFF CANADIAN PRODUCTS,
THAT'S ONE THING THAT CANADA
WANTED TO SECURE BUT THAT IS NOT
GOING TO HAPPEN AT THIS TIME.
THE CANADIANS HOPE THAT
CONVERSATIONS ON THAT CAN
CONTINUE AND THAT THE AMERICANS
WILL RECONSIDER.
BUT CANADA WILL BE GIVEN CERTAIN
ASSURANCES THAT DONALD TRUMP
WILL NOT PUT TARIFFS ON CARS OR
CAR PARTS WHICH IS A BIG WIN FOR
CANADA.
>>> Rosemary: OKAY, KATIE
SIMPSON WITH A LOT OF THE NEW
DETAILS AS THEY EMERGE ON THE
DEAL THAT HAS BEEN REACHED
BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED
STATES AND MEXICO.
KATIE, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
(*)
>>> UP TO 3% OF CANADIANS ARE
PROBLEM GAMBLERS, SPENDING MORE
THAN THEY CAN AFFORD AND SOME
LOSING HOMES AND JOBS AND
RELATIONSHIPS.
TONIGHT A WOMAN WITH A GAMBLING
DISORDER IS CALLING OUT THE B.C.
GOVERNMENT, SAYING THAT IT
HADN'T MADE GOOD ON ITS PROMISE
TO PROTECT PROBLEM GAMBLERS
BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THEM FOR
REVENUE.
ERICA JOHNSON HAS THIS "GO
PUBLIC" INVESTIGATION.
>> I DON'T KNOW, $50 ON 15
MINUTES.
>> Reporter: LORA IS BIPOLAR
AND HAS A GAMBLING DISORDER, A
RECOGNISED MENTAL HEALTH
DISORDER.
AS SHE DOCUMENTS IN THIS
CELLPHONE VIDEO SHE SOMETIMES IS
UNABLE TO STOP PLAYING THE
SLOTS.
>> SO ALL OF THIS IS TO HELP
YOUR FIGHT?
SHE'S ON DISABILITY WELFARE
AFTER A WORK INJURY AND STILL
CAN'T STOP GAMBLING.
>> I HAVE FLASHBACKS OF ME
CRYING HYSTERICALLY AT THE
MACHINE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME
WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AT THE
MACHINES TRYING TO DEAL WITH
LIFE.
>> Reporter: SHE WANTS THE
B.C. GOVERNMENT TO MAKE GOOD ON
A PROMISE FROM 2015 TO INTRODUCE
A PRECOMMITMENT CARD, USED WITH
SLOT MACHINES.
THE CARD
WOULD ALLOW GAMBLERS TO SET
LIMITS ON HOW MUCH TIME AND
MONEY THEY WANT TO SPEND BEFORE
THEY HIT A CASINO.
FIVE YEARS AGO B.C.'S THEN
PROVINCIAL HEALTH OFFICER WROTE
A REPORT URGING THE GOVERNMENT
TO SPEND MORE OF ITS GAMBLING
REVENUES ON PROGRAMMES FOR
GAMBLERS IN TROUBLE.
PROGRAMMES LIKE A PRECOMMITMENT
CARD.
STILL NOT IN PLACE.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S A SHAME AND
I THINK THAT IT'S A MISSED
OPPORTUNITY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE PROBABLY SUFFERED
BECAUSE OF THE ABSENCE OF SUCH A
PROGRAMME.
>> Reporter: A LEADING
GAMBLING RESEARCHER IN CANADA
HAS
LOOKED AT THE BILLIONS THAT
GOVERNMENTS MAKE IN GAMBLING
REVENUE AND HOW LITTLE GETS
FUNNELLED BACK INTO PROGRAMMES
THAT MIGHT HELP ADDICTS.
>> PROBLEM GAMBLERS ARE A THIRD
OF ALL OF THE GAMBLING REVENUE,
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO
SOMETHING EFFECTIVE IT'S GOING
TO
COMPROMISE YOUR REVENUE.
SO WE DON'T DO MUCH IN THE WAY
OF EFFECTIVE PROGRAMMES IN
CANADA.
SO THAT THE REVENUE KEEPS ON
COMING.
>> IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
>> Reporter: B.C.'S MINISTER
RESPONSIBLE FOR GAMING SAYS THAT
THE PROVINCE DOES NEED TO SPEND
MORE OF ITS GAMBLING REVENUE
HELPING THOSE THAT GAMBLING
HURTS.
>> I FEAR THAT FOR TOO LONG THAT
THE CALCULATION ON GAMBLING HAS
BEEN A SHORT-TERM EQUATION AND
WE NEED TO THINK MORE LONG TERM
ABOUT IT.
AND WE ARE NOW.
>> Rosemary: ERICA IS JOINING
US NOW.
SO, ERICA, WILL B.C. INTRODUCE
THESE
PLAYER PRECOMMITMENT CARDS?
>> WELL, THE PROVINCE JUST
WRAPPED UP A TEST PILOT OF THESE
CARDS AT TWO CASINOS IN
KAMLOOPS, B.C.
SO THE MINISTER IS HOPEFUL THAT
THESE CARDS WILL COME OUT SOON
BUT THE B.C. LOTTERY CORPORATION
SAY THEY WANT TIME TO REVIEW THE
DATA.
THAT, IN FACT, IT MAY DO
MORE TESTING.
AND IT WANTS TO LOOK AT OTHER
JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE THIS
SYSTEM IN PLACE.
IN ONTARIO PRECOMMITMENT CARDS
ARE IN PLACE IN TWO CASINOS AND
ONTARIO PLANS TO ROLL OUT THOSE
CARDS VERY SOON RIGHT ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.
>> Adrienne: SO IT'S ALMOST A
MILLION CANADIANS THAT HAVE A
GAMBLING PROBLEM OF SOME KIND.
WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE WE
TALKING ABOUT HERE?
>> Reporter: WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT BIG MONEY.
LAST YEAR CANADIANS GENERATED
OVER $17 BILLION IN GAMBLING
REVENUE.
HERE IN B.C. THAT FIGURE WAS
$3.3 BILLION.
AND THE PROVINCE GOT TO KEEP
$1.4 BILLION OF THAT MONEY.
NOW IT ONLY SPENT A TINY
FRACTION OF THAT MONEY,
$5.6 MILLION OR .4% OF ALL
REVENUES ON PROGRAMMES FOR
RESPONSIBLE AND PROBLEM
GAMBLING.
>> Rosemary: SO IT'S A
MONEY-MAKING BUSINESS.
ERICA, THANK YOU FOR THIS AS
ALWAYS.
IF YOU HAVE A STORY THAT YOU
WANT ERICA AND HER TEAM TO
INVESTIGATE EMAIL
GOPUBLIC@CBC.CA.
>> Adrienne: NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," A CANADIAN POLITICAL
CARTOONIST GETS SOME
INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE FROM HIS
DEPICTION OF THE
KAVANAUGH-BLASEY FORD STORY.
THE STORY BEHIND HIS PROVOCATIVE
AND CONTROVERSIAL IMAGE IS OUR
"MOMENT."
>> SO I THOUGHT, OKAY, I HAVE TO
DO SOMETHING WITH THIS.
AND SINCE I HAD SEEN HER
TESTIMONY AND HAD SEEN HER
DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAYS
HAPPENED THAT DAY BACK WHEN SHE
WAS A TEENAGER AND SHE AND
KAVANAUGH CAME INTO CONTACT, YOU
KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THAT IMAGE WAS
STUCK IN MY HEAD.
(*)
>> I TRIED TO YELL FOR HELP.
WHEN I DID BRETT PUT HIS HAND
OVER MY MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM
YELLING.
THIS IS WHAT TERRIFIED ME THE
MOST AND IT'S HAD THE MOST
LASTING IMPACT ON MY LIFE.
>> Adrienne: AND THE
CONSEQUENCES HAVE BEEN SO FAR
REACHING.
THREE DAYS AFTER CHRISTINE
BLASEY FORD TOLD THE WORLD WHAT
HAD HAPPENED TO HER, A DAM OF
RAGE AND REACTION CONTINUES TO
OVERFLOW.
BUT YESTERDAY THE HALIFAX
CHRONICLE HERALD PUBLISHED THIS
IMAGE FROM CARTOONIST BRUCE
MacKINNON.
IT SHOWS LADY JUSTICE PINNED
DOWN, HER MOUTH COVERED BY
REPUBLICAN HANDS.
SOCIAL MEDIA WENT INTO
OVERDRIVE.
BRUCE MacKINNON DRAWS
POLITICAL CARTOONS WITH RAZOR
BLADES, SAID ONE TWEET.
CARTOONISTS ALSO SPARKED ANGER
THIS LAZY VIOLENT IMAGE MAKES ME
RECOIL.
MALE CARTOONISTS PROFITING OFF
THIS NIGHTMARE FROM POSITIONS OF
SAFETY HURTS.
ACTRESS AND ACTIVIST ALYSSA
MILANO SENT IT TO TRUMP SAYING
THAT YOU'VE MADE A MISOGYNISTIC,
HURTFUL JOKE OF OUR SUPREME
COURT.
AND THEY WERE GRIPPED BY THE
TESTIMONY OF CHRISTINE BLASEY
FORD AND HIS REACTION TO LAST
WEEK'S TESTIMONY AND THE WHOLE
HEARING AND WHAT DROVE HIM TO
DRAW SOMETHING SO FORCEFUL AND
CONTROVERSIAL, THAT'S OUR
"MOMENT OF THE DAY."
>> I WATCHED THE TESTIMONY ON
THURSDAY AND I WAS TRYING TO DO
A CARTOON.
(*)
IN A CASE LIKE THIS WHERE A
JUSTICE IS THE CENTRAL THEME,
LADY JUSTICE, THAT FIGURE, THAT
STATUE, THAT REPRESENTS, YOU
KNOW, BLIND JUSTICE IS OBVIOUSLY
A VERY STRONG ICON.
IT WAS ONE THAT DREW ITSELF SORT
OF VERY NATURALLY, JUST KIND OF
PUT IT ON THE PAGE.
AND THE WAY THAT THE CONCEPT
CAME TO ME IN MY MIND IS THAT
EXACT OVERHEAD VIEW WHERE YOU'RE
ACTUALLY LOOKING DOWN AT THIS
PERSON WHO IS BEING ASSAULTED
AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN A
POSITION OF THE PERSON WHO IS
DOING THE ASSAULT.
I THINK THAT IT FORCED PEOPLE TO
ALMOST FEEL WHAT SHE FELT.
I HAVE DONE MY PART.
I PUT MY OPINION OUT THERE.
HOW PEOPLE DISSEMINATE IT AND
HOW PEOPLE HASH IT OUT IS UP TO
THEM.
>> Adrienne: BOY, ROSIE, ARE
THEY EVER HASHING IT OUT.
HE TOLD THE "WASHINGTON POST"
THAT HE THOUGHT WHAT WAS
HAPPENING IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN
MEMBERS WERE SMOTHERING JUSTICE.
AND SO HE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT
AS A SYMBOL.
BUT HE ALSO SAID THAT HE KNOWS
THAT HE'LL SPEND THE NEXT FOUR
DAYS DEALING WITH THE EMAILS,
NOT ALL OF THEM KIND.
SOME PEOPLE ARE QUITE HORRIFIED
BY THAT.
>> Rosemary: AND THERE WAS
ALSO A CARTOON THAT WAS SIMILAR
TO THIS WHICH WE'LL SHOW YOU
AND, AGAIN, HE, BOTH OF THESE
GENTLEMEN, BOTH SAY THEY OFTEN
DO THESE AND THEY DON'T KNOW
WHAT THE REACTION WILL BE AND
THEY DON'T EXPECT SOMETIMES THE
AMOUNT OF REACTION IT GOT, WHICH
IS THE CASE WITH THOSE TWO.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR
SEPTEMBER 30th.
GOODNIGHT.
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