-Do you think there's any chance
we're going to have another shutdown?
Do you think the -- -Sure.
Well, I mean, he had the longest one in American history --
35 days. -Yeah.
-So why not top it?
-Right. Yeah. [ Laughter ]
-I mean, look, here's the thing.
And I saw when my friend Chris Hayes was here.
We know -- You can just do a border fencing.
And that's enough.
That will do what President Trump wants.
Stop the undocumented immigrants
from crossing in their cars and trucks.
And it won't be a "wall."
And there's the compromise right there.
It's right there.
And everybody knows it.
Just whatever the border patrol experts say,
which is not a cement wall.
And it seemed like they were moving towards that way.
President Trump was like, "I don't care what you call it,
steel slats, a fence.
You can call it peaches."
-He did say that. -He said that.
"You can call it peaches."
And Nancy Pelosi said, "We're not gonna have a wall."
But you say, well, what about border fencing?
That's fine. She says that's fine.
And then all of a sudden, Trump said,
"It's a wall! It's a wall!"
Goes back to what it was before.
We're only calling it a wall. Why?
We were right there. We were right there.
We had a compromise right there.
-It's weird how -- I think it's the hardest job in the world.
But he just makes it look so easy to screw it up.
[ Laughter ]
You know, you realize, like, oh, it's just --
you can just decide to
change your mind when you're the President.
And then all of us have to just scramble.
Like, you know, he doesn't have to go resubmit 1,000 pages
that explains why it's a wall.
He just goes, "No, it's a wall again.
I changed my mind."
And you just go, "Oh, my goodness. What a nightmare."
-And it's very frustrating for the people
who try to negotiate on his behalf.
Or the people -- the Republicans in Congress,
Republicans in the House or Senate,
who are trying to make deals and want --
That's why Mitch McConnell stopped negotiating
to try to open the government, because the White House had told
Senate Republicans, "We'll sign this government spending bill.
Go ahead and do it."
And so they passed it.
And then he said, "No, I'm not.
I'm not gonna do it any more."
And then the government shut down.
So Mitch McConnell said, "Okay, you let me know
when there's something you'll sign."
-Yeah. -And then he went to Tahiti.
-It's a weird time. It's a very weird time.
-Quite strange.
-You did a town hall with Kamala Harris.
You have been on campaigns before.
What is life like for, you know --
because as this gets started now and it's gonna be what seems
like another full two years of this.
What's life like being a campaign reporter?
Do you have any tips for people who are about to embark on it?
-I do. There are a lot of -- first of all,
it's the greatest job in the world
for people of a certain age,
which is younger than me and you.
-Yeah, yeah, younger than me now too.
-So you need to be able to learn how to sleep any chance you get.
So, there's a lot of Midwestern cities, so, you know,
from a flight from Cleveland to Detroit,
even if it's only 45 minutes,
you need instant sleep, so you need a neck pillow.
-Oh, wow.
-I would start every campaign with a neck pillow,
and everybody would laugh at me and by the end of the campaign,
everybody had a neck pillow. -Gotcha.
You were an early adopter on the neck pillow.
-Charge your devices any chance you get.
Every single chance you get.
Keep your eyes peeled.
I met my wife in 2004 at the Iowa caucus.
-Wow! All right. Well done.
[ Applause ]
-And just because it's free, whether it's food or drink,
doesn't mean that it's without consequence.
-Okay. Gotcha. [ Laughter ]
-On campaigns, the filing rooms have tons of starches and breads
and cookies and cakes.
And then, you know, by the end the plane is like --
-Just sagging, sagging in the middle?
-Yeah, the reporters have gained enough weight
to form seven other reporters. [ Laughter ]
-I want to ask about this as well.
You used to work for VH1.
-I had a brief stint.
I was trying to learn about how to do TV and VH1 hired me for --
-You did a -- you covered -- [ Chuckles ]
-This is an important story. -You did.
Because nobody -- -It was about Lynyrd Skynyrd.
-Yep.
-He's gonna try to shame me, that I did this report.
[ Laughter ] This is a very important report.
-I'm glad you did Lynyrd Skynyrd.
-Lynyrd Skynyrd, and it was a question about how the band
was continuing to survive,
even though they had this original deal
that they could only continue under the rule of three,
which three original members of the band,
and somehow they were violating that rule.
-Really? -Yes.
So I was trying to get to the bottom of it.
-You were violating a lot of fashion police stuff.
[ Laughter ]
-I'll say, you know, we had --
This was VH1, so we had a dresser.
-Oh, like somebody who was on set?
-There was a wardrobe department saying,
"I like you in the mirrored sunglasses.
-And that shirt, I will say, in 2002,
I think I was also rocking a similar shirt.
I don't want to judge too hard.
-I'm glad you're looking at the shirt and not the haircut.
[ Laughter ]
-Well, you obviously realized you had a haircut issue
and then later put that on.
[ Laughter ]
And you were marooned on an island
with seven of your friends, right?
[ Laughter ]
-It was supposed to be a three-hour tour.
[ Laughter ]
-And uh -- But that was good. You learned how to do TV.
And now look how sharp you look. [ Laughter ]
-You have to believe me, I would not buy that hat on my own.
-Yeah. [ Laughter ]
That was the VH1 lady, said,
"This was what the cool kids are wearing."
-Well, in 2002, it might have been true.
What did you look like in 2002?
-I wasn't cool.
But I still wasn't watching VH1.
[ Laughter and applause ]
-I saw your audition tape for "SNL."
-Oh, that's a bad outfit, yeah.
-That was -- What did you have --
-I truly believe -- -Parachute pants on?
-I was wearing some pretty wide-legged corduroys
and a lavender sweater. -Yeah.
[ Laughter ]
-A big sweater. -It was a big sweater.
I had to hide my fears. [ Laughter ]
-Like a Benetton sweater.
-It wasn't a good sweater. -Off the shoulder?
-I wasn't ready for this to turn around on me.
[ Laughter ]
I'd like to take back what I said about your hat and VH1.
[ Applause ]
Thank you for being here, buddy.
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