all right no sanctimony no preaching it's just a simple piece of truth we
have to agree on what it is fact okay so the president holds a meeting at the
White House yesterday it's an hour long freestyle basically on illegal
immigration and a lot of it needs to be examined let's start with this we have
to break up families the Democrats gave us that law it's a horrible thing we
have to break up families the Democrats gave us that law and they
don't want to do anything about it they'll leave it like that because they
don't want to make any changes and now you're breaking up families because of
the Democrats it's terrible now to be honest I don't know what he's talking
about this took some time to fact-check now as far as we can tell I put it to
the better minds here at CNN the claim is certainly false because what recent
law designed by Democrats is intended to break up families the Bush
administration did enact a law in 2008 that was well-intentioned it was
designed to protect Central American children from human trafficking ensuring
that every child who came that way arriving at the border would get a
hearing now what happened was you had so many kids that became a backlog now what
did you do well you wound up splitting up the
families because of just time and circumstances not by intention
necessarily all right so as for intentionally splitting up families well
the only legal guidance there is on that was publicly floated by Trump's own
attorney general listen if you're smuggling a child then we're gonna
prosecute you and that child will be separated from you probably as required
by law if you don't want your child to be
separated and then don't bring them across the border illegally it's not our
fault that somebody does that now why does this matter it matters because the
law isn't the end it's about how it's enforced decisions on prosecution and
that changes with each administration so look at you have sessions about the new
harshness President Trump also made a claim about the border wall and how far
along it is take a listen now we have started the wall
with spending 1.6 billion between fixing and starting you know melissa what's
been going on we're getting it up we have a lot of folks in California they
don't talk about it but they want the wall up and they're very happy that's
one of the reasons we started in California but we made a lot of progress
on it now the governor of California Jerry Brown says that's not true but
that could be politics so what do we know we know that there have been a few
prototypes but that the new wall has not in fact been started of course this is
going to get to your definition of what start is that 1.6 billion that's a real
number that's the number he got out of the original 25 that the president asked
for our counting shows that it's gone towards shoring up the existing wall and
fence Trump showed off pictures you remember back in March and he quote this
start of our southern border wall now that was just fabrication that was old
fencing repairs that was going on the plans for what were originally drawn up
in 2009 alright so those are the facts now some of this stuff can be debated we
should do that right now let's discuss all of it with CNN political commentator
Anna Navarro and Rick Santorum CNN senior political commentator good to
have you both here Rick out-of-the-box I give you right of first reply anything I
say there that you believe offends reason or truth I mean the the 2008 law
you referred to was in fact passed by Democratic Congress yes it was signed by
George Bush but it was something in back in 2007-2008 the Democrats control but
doing the checklist had bipartisan support all the way down so to call it a
Democrat law Fugazi at best all I would say is the Democrats control
Congress and that was their agenda item you know as you see as you know when
when a party controls the Congress they move what they want to move and they
move that bill so you can argue that you know that it's that it's little
hyperbole to say just the Democrats but it's not completely inaccurate to say
that not completely inaccurate that's not really the standard though we know
the Democrats didn't put us in this mess about it this is a very enforcement
that's what it's a burial it's about enforcement so Anna let's talk about
that oh why Jeff Sessions matters in this why they homeland security chief
Neilson matters they're making decisions about how to enforce the
the law exists you can make choices they're making choices what do you make
of those choices look and that happens with practically every law where the
department of jurisdiction has got a lot of leeway to determine how to regulate
the law how to execute the law how to put it into actual practice they've
actually you know they've obviously taken this this this decision of
splitting up families this is not now he's right this is not the first time
this happens and there is a problem with minors coming to the border and there is
a part of this that is about deterrent and I understand that because it's very
difficult and it's very dangerous for minors for families to cross the border
there's a lot of abuses there's a lot of rapes that happen there's a lot of
horrible things that happen but what do we do with those families once they're
split up look I'm I'm more concerned I'm a lot less concerned about the
demagoguery in Donald Trump's meeting about the wall that is not getting built
in the money that he doesn't have about the law that wasn't you know just a
Democrat law that is being implemented by his family I'm a lot more concerned
of when he does things like all immigrants animals when we start
dehumanizing people he says he was talking about the White House says he
was talking about Ms Terry let's play the sound let's play the sound here's
the sound we have people coming into the country trying to come in we're stopping
a lot of them but we're taking people out of the country you wouldn't believe
how bad these people are these aren't people these are animals the defense is
that he was following up by a statement of a sheriff saying that this is ms-13
he was just talking about ms-13 good enough no not good enough not good
enough from a president who has called countries in Central America called
countries like Haiti shit holes not good enough from a president who has talked
about Haitians having AIDS not good enough I'm a president who has said that
people in Africa live in huts and why would they come here that's why he
doesn't get the benefit of the doubt and not good enough when you are seeing the
level of division and hostility that you are seeing out there in America
yesterday I saw a video of a complete bigoted racist in midtown Manhattan
screaming racist expletives two women who had worked there who were
Hispanic who had been speaking Spanish to each other
I suspect the same way that your family spoke Italian to each other many times
and the Rix family spoke Italian to each other still do and still do and you know
this is happening in America every day he was a big Trump supporter I'm not
saying all Trump supporters are like this I'm not saying all Trump supporters
are deplorable but I am saying that the President of the United States has got
to measure his words and be more careful about what he says and it is a very
slippery slope when you start dehumanizing people this way it's what
the Nazis did it's what slave owners did it's not what
Americans do Rick you she lost you ignominy
what's your defense this is this is one of the reasons that a big chunk of the
country just turns off the media when they start going after the president
because they take something that is completely explainable and and perfectly
accurate within context of the president talking about people that they are
deporting now and there is an emphasis as there always has been on the criminal
element as the priority to be deported he had just heard from the sheriff
talking about ms-13 and the president was commenting on that on those very
individuals and to say he doesn't get a pass because he said some offensive
things in the past sorry that just doesn't cut it the president's allowed
to comment on things and and accurate like his mood and I think the mood of
the people in that room and the mood of millions of Americans that these are in
fact really bad people who are quote animals at who are doing horrific things
within our country and you know what I understand that people sometimes that
hyperbole can offend people but it certainly connects with a lot of people
particularly those who are victimized but you're assuming that we are debating
how people feel about ms-13 do we like that they're being called animals that
was we're not that was the context in which the president made the understood
however why is he not getting the benefit of context by people like Ana
because of what he said in the past Rick and here's the proof if I were to list
for you all the things he said about immigrants how many would you own
yourself and say I agree with him about that that most of the people coming over
from Mexico are drug dealers and the worst and this and that and Africans
live in huts and this is what I think about Haiti what kind of hole it is how
many of those statements would you own and say I agree I think the
presents entitled Tao many of those statements would you agree with I don't
think it I don't think it's important it's the course importance because if a
contact Alice have said what he said no no disagree of course he has the
right to say it but that's a specious argument it's not about his First
Amendment right I think it's nice that try in a sense I think it's not it's not
just the right to say it so you think so you think that illegal immigrants by and
large are bad people who are here today it's not what the president said today
well now I think this context giving him the benefit of it although he certainly
wasn't careful with what he said right usually a rick santorum would say i'm
not saying everybody i'm saying these ms-13 types he doesn't make that kind of
carefulness talked about why not both he talked about people that are being
deported today and as we know the priority of this administration and
previous administrations is to deport dangerous crimes why they are they
splitting up all these families that aren't ms-13 we have seen a ton of
people who are American in every way but one get deported by this administration
we have seen doctors get deported we have seen darker kids get up deported we
have seen veterans get deported by this administration so it's not just the MS
and we stick to it may be the last 16 months just for argument's sake you know
so you didn't hear the Obama administration make these kinds of
arguments about why they were getting rhythm I think this is the last point
and Rick you can have it you can look at the numbers and see that people have
been getting thrown out of this country at a pretty decent rate for Obama's
administration and now I know they say the numbers are ticking up we have to
understand why they're ticking up right now could just be seasonal need of labor
we got to look at it but the tone has changed and you are defending the tone
you say a lot of people share this I'm not talking about ms-13 who's gonna
defend ms-13 nobody wants them as 13 in the country but the tone has shifted
about what it means about you if you're an illegal immigrant I want to hear you
say yeah I think those people are bad people - the president's right say it I
think people who break the law are not necessarily bad people but they do bad
things and breaking the law and entering this country is a bad thing it is a
crime and it's not something that I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to
people that there is there are million and millions of people waiting all over
the world to come it in this country who are following the rules and making
sacrifices and when people break the law to shortcut things that is not something
I'm gonna say guys things about I'm sorry now that nobody's asking you to do
they say you're bad people I would say I'm saying not their illegal entry I get
that that's a crime everybody knows this how you choose to enforce it is up to
you I'm asking you something different do you think they're bad people because
that is the sense that the President of the United States has communicated and
anybody who says that's not fair is full of it Rick because that's what it
empowers all the discussions wind up being about the rapists and Katy Stein
Lee's case and all of those types of why are those the examples that are used
because the notion is they're bad people not because they came in illegal but
because they're bad deep down I feel do you own
yeah I would own that there are some bad people coming in and that's what the
president has said consistently not that it's not what he said consistently Rick
when you ignore it you empower my brother no he has not always put it in
context otherwise I wouldn't waste my time what am I gonna fund ms-13 I live
out in Suffolk County I know they're out there I know the problem come on I know
all I can tell you is the president has said repeatedly he's not talking about
all immigrants he didn't just say that when he talked about animals he didn't
speak carefully he decided where you were he said in the context of one day
remember what you are to what your ancestors were called and how they were
treated when they came to this country my father yeah completely I remember you
know when people used to call Italians and Irish people immigrants to the
United States dogs look we can't forget where we come from and who we are so
unless you're telling me that you come from the Cherokee Nation I think that
you should be offended by the demonization of immigrants because if
you think that it just applies to undocumented immigrants and ms-13 you
haven't seen the video of the two women in midtown Manhattan getting berated by
a racist because he thinks it is his country not their country he could not
be more wrong by the way that Aaron Schlossberg New York State Bar
all right Rick Anna appreciate you going at it these debates matter thank you
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