oh I made a mistake but then she's retweeting all these people who say she
did nothing wrong so she's trying to have it both ways and let's remember the
stakes here it's not just about bar more than 200 people are out of work as a
result of the cancellation of this sitcom her producers her co-stars
grippers guys do the lights on the set all of them out of work because of her
racist I'm cease attacking some of them to by the way but I'm so curious about
this why couldn't ABC just have killed off her character well is there a rosea
without Roseanne is that possible I mean let's be creative enough to think that
there is still the point of the show which was again the blue-collar ethos
right what it's like in middle America so why couldn't they just have killed
her off why do 200 people have to lose their job I do think there's some
chatter about that today in Hollywood there's been a lot of revivals lately of
shows to get cancelled then brought back from the dead that's the popular new
thing for Netflix and Amazon Hulu to do maybe there's a chance but I don't want
to get anybody's hopes up here it's hard to picture Roseanne without Roseanne it
is called bruising after all after all I Bryan Safi thank you very much for all
that let's bring in our analysts we have CNN political analyst David Gregory and
national reporter for The Washington Post West Lowery's so David I want start
with you this hour Roseanne Barr says that is claiming through retweets that
she was fired for her political views because she is a trump supporter she has
it absolutely backwards she was hired for her political news because she's a
trump supporter that's what they wanted this reboot to be that's what ABC
realized that they could harness half of the country when they realized that
Roseanne could be the vehicle for what a family of you know led by a trump
supporter looks like right the notion that why she was originally hired that
she had this kind of appeal I suppose was seductive to ABC but Roseanne
herself is such an imperfect figure people don't remember all of her
outrages including deliberately botching the national anthem some years ago which
in today's context would be outrageous to a lot of Trump supporters right since
that's played out in the NFL so you know this was simply a case of a comedian who
did something that was just outrageous no matter who you are
and cross the line and ABC as a media company was simply not going to put up
with it and under any circumstances certainly not in an atmosphere now we're
crossing the line results in zero tolerance we've seen this in the me2
movement we've seen it with with these kinds of jokes we've seen it whether
you're right leaning or left leaning that's the reality that we are living in
and in this case it's it's just so clear to have gone over the line like that the
president Trump it doesn't even come to your defense is somehow this was an
outrageous move in his in his mind he's been you know he's been silent about it
it's an interesting standard you've just created not even President Trump will
defend you for the comments you made and it does seem as if Rome bit Roseanne
Barr is trying to maybe bait him into coming to her aid one of the tweets one
of the most recent ones that came at 5:45 a.m. eastern time this morning West
was this from Roseanne I feel bad for POTUS he goes through this every single
day again you know she's making the connection between herself and President
Trump here even as there are other people asking has the president somehow
created this atmosphere grow Roseanne feels comfortable saying the racist
thing she said certainly well so two things there one Berzin has been
tweeting seemingly all night or the assumption is that she's on West Coast
time and she was tweeting as I've even just a few moments ago but the feed I've
been watching has been the president's I mean it is a little remarkable someone
in president Trump who kind of cloaked himself in Roseanne success at his
rallies would talk about this show who had a rally last night and did not
mention this and we all know sometimes he likes to watch morning shows like
this one and and all the channels have been talking about this controversy and
we've yet to see him weigh in his Twitter feed so that's really
fascinating but I do think there is a real question and it speaks to a moment
our culture right now we have a president who was elected after
trafficking in barely barely cloaked racial animus and so we're seeing a lot
of other people who are in many ways mimicking this type of language who are
promoting these types of far-right conspiracy theories racist conspiracy
theories Soros talking points and having this
rude awakening that perhaps no it is not okay just because a president was
elected this way for everyone to talk with me to use their racism with their
outside voice and I think that for a lot of people it's a little it's a little
jarring you know for Roseann again she has a long history of using her Twitter
feed this way ABC hired her in that context and yet all of a sudden this was
not okay but you know what it's interesting to me I'm trying to process
all this this morning because I think Wes you're right that there's this weird
dynamic right now in the in the culture where people who oppose President Trump
scratch their heads and think wait a minute how does he get away with a lie
like the birther conspiracy how does he get away with you know Charlottesville
that there's no real repercussions for him and yet other people in a second
they're gone you know the the comedian who was aligned with CNN and I think
yeah yeah who was gone in a moment so there's that thing that I think is real
the other piece of this is I think we reduce what's happening today as a new
phenomenon - a new phenomenon when it's not that new
you know comedians have been doing lots of outrageous things for a lot for a lot
of years that cross the line and it goes too far or maybe in today's context you
know that threshold is lower but this is another example of somebody doing
something that's ignorant and offensive and crossing the line initially in the
name of what they think is consistent with their persona I don't know that it
requires too much more thinking that somehow she's getting up in the morning
thinking well you know President Trump has given me permission to be this way
or this is just who she is well I and I think there's lots of
examples of it I mean here's the answer to your the first part of your question
which is why does President Trump get away with it he has no boss everybody
else who gets fired for repugnant comments and repugnant behavior has a
boss and gets fired as we've seen the country seems to have shifted in terms
of their tolerance for this stuff or at least corporate America for their stuff
but the president has no boss other than the voters and for whatever
reason his vote overlook this or compartmentalize it or
agree with it or whatever I mean that's that there that's why we're experiencing
this crazy paradox where there seems to be zero tolerance for a comedian and
then yet president Trump does spreads these same conspiracy theories but let
me just show us before you respond to that this isn't the first time so so
Roseanne Barr last night said I'm not making excuses but I was on ambien okay
so when she sent out this tweet storm of racist stuff and retweets well in 2013
she had other examples of sending out racist stuff she says here in 2013 Susan
Rice who of course was in the Obama administration is a man with big
swinging eight balls I went there I just read them it was it was what she wrote
an unclear whether she's been on ambien non-stop since 2013 was I mean the
ambien defense there I'm not sure girls you know nor does I think ambien cover
anti-semitism it's unclear to me whether that maybe is the cinnamon offense she
was taking it's the bad judgment she was and the manic quality but I think that
maybe that's what she was blaming on em you know certainly in with the Susan
Rice tweet which is disgusting and racist in that case you can at least see
how perhaps that is constructed as a bad joke but I think it's important to add
though is these these tweets about Valerie Jarrett were her going back and
forth having this kind of pseudo political conversation with someone she
initially defended it as a joke but the context we have doesn't lead any of us
to believe I don't think this was just a comedian who said a joke that didn't
land that she was exposing or exposing her actual sincerely held political
beliefs here at the very imperative the types of comments we see very often a
right wing message boards and conspiracy theorists you know again you're taking
the President Obama's top adviser one of the most accomplished black women in our
politics and comparing her and calling her the spawn of a Muslim group a Muslim
terrorist group and a in the Planet of the Apes clearly racist clearly coming
from kind of far-right political vindictive this isn't michelle wolf at
the White House Correspondents Dinner this isn't a Dave Chapelle joke that
didn't laugh this is someone saying something that is viscerally disgusting
we keep waiting to hear whether President Trump himself
we'll respond your way and in any way he chose not to you last night he had a
rally last night in Nashville I didn't respond Sara sander says he's too busy
worrying about North Korea although he did talk about his hand size but but
David his son Donald Trump jr. yeah you know who's not the president but Donald
Trump jr. did choose to retweet some of the sort of hateful anti-semitic
conspiracy things that Roseanne put out about George Soros Oh Donald Trump jr.
has decided to weigh in who was at least close to the president or a part of that
know it and I get that hit but you know what nobody cares about what Donald
Trump jr. thinks so you know the fact even that we're waiting I think it's
remarkable that that we're waiting for President Trump to see if he weighs in
but I do think that's part of the problem twofold one you know you
President Trump cannot be blamed for everything that's wrong went out in our
culture and it is also a mistake to say oh well it's the president's fault that
this kind of thing has been unleashed this is a much bigger issue than
President Trump the people that peep that so much of our cultural dialogue
our national dialogue is reduced to what people say on Twitter it is really a lot
of what's wrong with public discourse and that people think including the
president that they can elevate this social platform to be a place of
discourse when so much of it is irresponsible offensive wrong and
provides this kind of veil of anonymity although not much that allows people to
unleash it's what's wrong because it makes people feel like oh yeah this is
really the conversation that's happening no I mean I think was right I mean or go
back a different era or talk about comedians this was not Lenny Bruce you
know with some offensive tirade with profanity in the in the 60s I mean this
is just someone who's got a high profile as an actress who somehow wrongly has
been elevated as the voice of Trump America that's unfair to who's just
racist and offensive and has no problem just waving it around for the country to
see and when you work for a company like ABC any company but a company like ABC
whose whole brand is about family appeal and being more diverse having more
diverse shows and making that a real part of their brand it's just
you're not gonna last period hmm you know there's no law that you have to be
on Twitter you can break up with it I mean okay you know if it becomes a toxic
stew you can actually turn away from it we are still people but John Berman and
John Berman is really funny and effective on Twitter
Twitter doesn't make you racist nor does ambien because again you know I use both
or have in the past all right West Lowry really appreciate you being with us
David Gregory appreciate you being with us as well really interesting discussion
a Republican congressman who has seen the intelligence behind president
Trump's claim that an FBI spy was planted in the Trump campaign has a
message for America and the president the President may not like it we'll
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