Does Shivashakti refer to Shankar's staff?
Shivashakti refers to the power of the Chattrapati [Shivaji]
And Shivashakti refers to the power of the Shiv Sena
Which of these powers are we to establish a healthy dialogue with?
There has come to be an understanding in Maharashtra that the Shiv Sena means Shivashakti
And this Shivashakti is the Chattrapati's Shivashakti
Truth be told, this is a misconception
That the power of the Shiv Sena is the power of Shivaji Maharaj, is something I absolutely do not accept
We are all brothers yet our queues for food are segregated?
We are all 'together' yet segregation is practised?
I do not believe in superficial change
Is a man changed because he changes his clothes?
Our Vithu Kamble had come for Bhim Jayanti with his father
Old father, dressed in a dhoti
Son walks ahead in a safari suit, father is left behind
Asked him, "What's this?"
He said, "Brought my father, to see the jayanti"
I said, "Then why is he behind you?"
He said, "What, Bhai, he's wearing a dhoti na"
"Mine is a safari suit. We don't match"
I asked the father, I said, "Paanba, when did you arrive?"
He said, "Arrived just yesterday. Off to see the jayanti."
I said, "Yeah I told your son, what is he saying?"
I asked him, I said, 'Baba, you've been left behind, your son has gone ahead? Then?'
Your son said, 'The thing is, my father's is a dhoti and my safari suit doesn't match, that's why I've left him behind'
He [the father] said, 'Bhai, does that idiot know, that his safari suit was born from this very dhoti?'
Does changing clothes, change a man?
This is not how change happens!
One should pay attention to where the safari suit came from
About what should this healthy dialogue be?
Balasaheb and I have had a relationship for the past several years, you may not be aware of this, Uddhavrao may also not be aware of this, perhaps
Nilubhau Khadilkar, Balasaheb and I have sat together for three nights in a row, in Minatai's presence...all night long
When I arrived here, I saw Anand Dighe and it reminded me of times gone by
There was a performance of a play on Mahatma Phule and Balasaheb said, 'Bhai, you and Nilubhau come for the play'
Bhau and I arrived there, at that guesthouse…
Anand was slightly…(gestures)…now, because of power, he has grown
Balasaheb introduced me, 'A leader of the Dalit Panther'
Extremely patient, peaceful demeanor, even today, I don't see much of a difference
He is quiet, just like that
This was the first meeting
That way, we've spoken several times over the phone, but today is our second meeting
Till today, apart from his physique, there hasn't been much of a change in Anand
The point is, Anand and I have a good relationship to this day...
Balasaheb and I have a good relationship, even today...Uddhavrao and I have a good relationship
Of course there is a healthy dialogue between us
But this is a superficial healthy dialogue...
...when it comes to the question of positions, the question of principles, the Shiv Sena and I just don't agree
Absolutely don't agree...how can we agree? How?
Balasaheb has already said that Bhimshakti and Shivshakti should come together
I said to him, Balasaheb, I am ready...
but I have one condition...
...you should let go of your obsession with Hindutva; let go of Hindutva...
...there will be no obstacle to Shivshakti and Bhimshakti coming together
Hindutva is a separate matter…it's not possible
How can we participate in Hindutva? What is there?
When religion comes in contact with Hindutva…
and that religion which has destroyed thousands of generations of Dalits…
...any ideology which bears relation to such a religion will not be accepted by me, my party…even my father won't accept it
Even though our dialogue and relationships may be good…
...because finally the the question is of principles, just saying that we are brothers, won't do
Such superficiality won't do
An alliance just for the sake of elections won't do
An alliance made solely for power, is an alliance of opportunists
Because there, the object is power...they don't have faith in a change of heart
Man must change...how will this Maharashtra be constructed?
That Chattrapati Shivaji Raje, whose name is invoked by you when ruling...
What do we do in his name today?
Which Chattrapati is dear to you and dear to me?
In public meetings, Balasaheb refers to Muslims pejoratively as 'the circumcised'
If the Chattrapati even chanced upon a copy of the Muslim's Quran, he would reverentially return it to the Muslims
Look at the difference
The Chattrapati said, 'Even if I lose my life, it will do, but the country should be saved'
Balasaheb said, 'If somebody even touches a single hair on my body, the entire country will rise up in anger'
Take note of the difference
A healthy dialogue about what?
We are engaging in an intellectual reflection
A healthy dialogue about what?
There should be a healthy dialogue about positions
It is not enough to just fill people's stomachs
Balasaheb and I ate together at his house, she served me food, Minatai…
...I have maintained this relationship…still hold it dear to me
I have a good relationship with almost all of the ministers from the Shiv Sena, even today
Especially Gajabhau, who I have been friends with for the last 25 years, since he was at the Reserve Bank
The question is not of friendship...The question here, the issue, is not of superficial friendship but of change
Is Balasaheb Thackeray going to let go of Hindutva?
Let go of the company of the BJP?
I don't find Balasaheb's Hindutva fearsome, because all of Balasaheb's Hindutva is on the tip of his tongue
I am afraid of the BJP
This BJP's Hindutva is poisonous...
...with this poison…Balasaheb was not always Hindutvavadi, I say this for your information...
Many people are not aware of this…the Balasaheb that we see today, was not always this way
When we met at Sena Bhavan…
Balasaheb, Savarkar, Manohar Joshi, Vishvanaathji Maharaj and Vikrambhau Savarkar…our meeting was on
And so the discussion started, I was asked two questions
He said, 'Bhai, what is your position on family planning?'
I said, 'Babasaheb has already said that if this country is to thrive, the population growth must be controlled'
And he asked, 'What is your opinion on cow slaughter?' I said, 'About cow slaughter?'
Arre I said' I am a Buddhist…why not all slaughter, why should we only save the cow?
For what should the cow be saved? Save all animals! Why should only cow slaughter be prevented?
Because she is helpless? Because she gives good milk? Because she is useful? For what should she be saved?
Meaning the cow should be saved but her son should be killed?
I am opposed to killing itself!
I believe in all life
That is why I am also opposed to cow slaughter
Savarkar was enraged, stood up
Started speaking rapidly in his own style...his face turned red
Balasaheb restrained him, said, 'Savarkar, this is not the way in which to conduct a discussion'
Several such incidents are flashing before my eyes today
A healthy discussion about what…should be decided
I am not afraid of the Shiv Sena...absolutely not
I don't know how you see Balsaheb but I have seen him very closely
If a deep friendship is to be struck, it is with such a man... once he gives his word, no compromise. Nothing doing
I've seen it
The village may be good...
...but to hell with the outcastes
The question here is of healthy dialogue
Our friends from Bhimshakti…on seeing all of this, I said to them,
Bhimshakti has considerable power…this is the first time I've seen this much preparation. I was surprised
Our people can make such elaborate preparations!
I was surprised to see the devotion here... this is the first time I'm seeing this…what's going on…where am I?
We have nothing like this, baba
We keep it spontaneous…chairperson arrives, and we start
Seeing everything systematic here, I wondered if I've arrived at Bhimshakti or somewhere else…I was confused
Be that as it may…thanks to that, atleast they've started a good initiative
I had already told them, see, I am frank
Is Uddhavrao coming? They said yes
I told them, 'Bhau, I am capable of saying anything'
They said, 'We don't mind, Bhai. No problem'
So this issue, if a great Maharashtra is to be created...
...then it will not do for you to just change your clothes, there must be a change in your heart
I am not one to expect superficial change, and my organisation has the intellectual foundation of Babasaheb Ambedkar...
...there is an intellectual tradition, we have been living it generation upon generation
And that is why when (a discussion about) intellectual traditions is started...
...then my intellectual tradition, the tradition of Babasaheb Ambedkar's Republican Party...
... and the intellectual tradition of the Shiv Sena…whether their's is an intellectual tradition at all, is a question for later…
...whether the Shiv Sena has an intellectual foundation, is a question for later
Earlier on, kaka made a reference to the alliance between the Shiv Sena and the Republican Party in 1972
But then, the Shiv Sena had not set out with Hindutva. It belonged to the Marathi people
I am not in the habit of hiding my motives
We speak freely
The Buddha said, 'samya sankalpa'
'Samyak drushti'-say it as it is. Hide nothing
One should present it as one sees it
Just because there is an important man before you, you change your positions…this should not be done
Let it be known…
...they should also understand, my people should understand, what it is that you are doing
There were two drunkards that I met earlier at the intersection
You know, drunkards
We just came from there
He was completely drunk. He said, 'I want to go listen to Bhai Sangare speak'
'It is the first time that Uddhavrav Thackeray and him are coming together. Something fun will happen'
He said, 'Even I want to listen to Bhai's speech, he is coming to Thane after a long time' Completely drunk
One guy said 'but I dont know the address'. The other said, 'I know the address!'
The first said, 'then why don't you tell me?'
The other said, 'But first tell me, where am I standing?'
First, ask yourself, where you stand
One should first find out where one stands!
Where one goes from there, comes later…first, ask yourself, where you stand
And until we don't understand where we stand, how can we undertake the journey?
How will we ever have a healthy dialogue?
A healthy dialogue cannot be constructed by just speaking sweet words…
The bile within should come out. The poison inside you should come out
You feed the snake milk at nagpanchami, don't you? Wonderful!
But if the snake enters your home after nagpanchami, do you venerate it?
You immediately get a stick to hit it
Arre isn't it a god? Then why don't you allow it to come close! You don't!
He's a god only on nagpanchami!
Later, he becomes a ferocious tiger?
Such fraud won't do. No, nothing doing! This won't do.
The alliance that we had with the Congress…one day I was at a meeting at Shivaji Park
I can't remember whether Neelam tai was present at that meeting
Sudharkarrao was the Chief Minister
And my speech started, I said, 'Sudharkarraoji, there is no need...
...(for you) to think that we have allied with the Congress because we think that it will do a lot of good for Dalits'
I say the same thing today
...that we don't go with the Congress because it is doing great work for the Dalits
The brick is softer than the rock
that is why we took such a decision
Sena, BJP people eat like this (gestures), Congress people eat like this (gestures)
That is the only difference. What other difference is there?
When Marathwada (University) was renamed, 40 of us were with Sharad Pawar
I said to Sharadrao, How do you curse the Shiv Sena and BJP, accusing them of being casteist?
Are you any less casteist?
During the Marathwada riot, when Dalit homes were burnt to ashes, was it the Shiv Sena's people, then?
They were your people!
Look at what you're saying?
The Shiv Sena came later
And now the Shiv Sena of Marathwada, Vidarbha…whose Shiv Sena is that?
Sharadrav, ask the big people in your party, who provided the inspiration for the Shiv Sena?
Who made the the Shiv Sena big?
Now Bhasmasur has been created, and as soon as he places his hand on your head, the Shiv Sena becomes casteist?
It is you who nurtured it
To kill an enemy, you raised them
Now that they have become so big, they have started swallowing you, you have started to feel afraid, off runs Indra...
arre this Bhasmasur is out to place his hand on my head
You have to be aware of where you stand
And this is why, we must think about these things
Maharashtra as it stands today, was made pure by two Shudras
Two Shudras!
One Shudra, Chattrapati Shivray and the second Shudra...
Babasaheb Ambedkar
Yes, Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj was a Shudra I don't say this, Gaga Bhat has said this
You have written this down in history
His coronation was not performed They were not allowing Shivaji's coronation to be performed!
What does Maharashtra's tradition tell you?
What happened to Tukarambuva?
He was drowned in the Indrayani, you committed 302 (section 302, IPC) against him and you say he went to Vaikunth?
Literally 302
What happened to Dnynadev?
He created the Dnyaneshwari, at the age of 16…
in his 16th year, such a young child, young boy, does he take samadhi?
Who are you fooling?
Is anybody thinking about this?
Why did he take samadhi?
Was he of the age to take samadhi?
Was his work complete?
He writes on Dnyaneshwari and then it's done?
Then why did he take Dnyaneshwari (samadhi?), is my question
Across Maharashtra, those that conduct discourses on the Gita..this is my question to them...
...answer this question…why did Dnyaneshwar take samadhi
What was the reason for Dnyaneshwar taking samadhi?
His parents, tired of your torture, had committed suicide
Then why did Dnyaneshwar Maharaj take samadhi?
The matter of the Dnyaneshwari comes later
The Buddha said, find the cause behind the source of your suffering and destroy those causes
The Buddha did not say 'Do away with suffering.' He asked us to find it's cause
The bomb blast happened in Mumbai and our Sharadrao set off to catch Dawood
I said, 'Why are you going after Dawood Ibrahim, Sharadrao, pay heed to the Buddha once more'
He said, 'What is the Buddha doing here, in the midst of this bomb blast?'
I said, 'The Buddha is present here.' The Buddha said, 'Find the cause behind the source of your suffering'
Find the reasons why the bomb blast happened
Dawood isn't mad to leave gold smuggling and set off bomb blasts
Find the reasons why the bomb blast happened and when you do...
...then Dawood Ibrahim will not be the accused…
then, Lal Krishna Advani will be the accused
If the Babri Masjid hadn't fallen, then the bomb blast wouldn't have happened
Are we thinking about this?
On which matter will the confluence happen?
Are we going to think a little or not?
Just because it has been said somewhere…
Lord Buddha is the first…the first great man in the whole world who said...
...that what I say is not the truth Is it a joke?
Which founder of a religion has said this?
The Buddha is the first to say 'What I say is not the truth'
The truth is that which you experience
Only that which can be proven by logic, is the truth
Just because the Buddha says something must you believe it?
And that is why Babasaheb rejected hearsay…
...that the Vedas said…that everything has come from above
What happened the other day there, in Delhi?
That the Vedas and Upanishads must be introduced in primary schools?
Those insisting upon the Vaidiks, insisting upon the Vedas, are not Bharatiya!
We say of Sonia Gandhi, that she is an alien. She is from 'there'
She is foreign
Are those insisting upon the Vedas Hindustani? Are they Bharatiya?
You should read a little. You must read Only if you read, will you be saved
What is in the Vedas?
I read this in one of the Vedas…
Someone's cow was giving a lot of milk
The mantra from the Vedas-let that cow's milk dry up and give my cow milk instead
Where are we going?
It's the 21st century and where are we going? We are going to the moon. And you are taking (indistinct)
For what?
That which has no connection with the common people…you insist on that language, Sanskrit…
What connection does it have with the mind of the people?
Dnyaneshwar translated the Gita into Marathi, what did you say?
the Vedas emerged from the mouth of a buffalo?
Who are the buffalos?
Bahujan Samaj Our foolish society
Ignored Marathi?
Whatever knowledge we have, is hidden in Sanskrit
Leave everyone, a fool
Made fools of you after all
They say and you listen
Subtitle
This is where progress should happen, all this should change.
Just invoking the name of Chattrapati Shivaji Raja is not enough, brothers
Shivaji was Shivaji A great man of great strength
His was an army of Mavlas…
Mavlas…
Mavlas devoid of caste
When Shivaji Maharaj escaped from Agra...
...when he came out of that box...
the man who slept on his bed, was also a Muslim soldier
Why should this politics of hate be practised?
A nation does not become strong on the foundation of religion, brothers and sisters
No nation on the face of the earth has become great on the basis of religion
We declare, 'Say proudly, that we are Hindu'…is being Hindu something to be proud of?
What should one be proud of?
Who is Azharuddin?
A Muslim
He doesn't fight for muslims. He fights for Bharat!
Who does he fight for?
He doesn't fight for Muslims He fights for Bharat!
PT Usha?
Who is she?
Who does she fight for?
She doesn't fight for her caste but for her country
Abdul Hamid fought against Pakistan!
The country of his religious peers
Like a bull, he went…destroyed the tanks and they were defeated!
That Abdul Hamid was a Muslim!
Fought for Bharat!
Against whom?
Against Pakistan
Think a little?
Understand a little
Man...doesn't just survive on food
He has a brain, intellect
Man doesn't just survive on bread...
...and that is why there must be change from the bottom to the top
Just changing your clothes and engaging in a superficial friendship yields nothing
If friendship is to be made, then it should be done properly, one must change, completely
You tell us, 'Bhai, change in this way'…we will try
But until you don't realise that you must change, how can we even engage in dialogue?
And how will a 'healthy' dialogue even be possible?
And that is why the concept of this healthy dialogue is good…I liked it, which is why i said I will come
Because finally, somewhere…Maharashtra has to be rescued
Somewhere, Maharashtra has to be conceptualised differently
But in Maharashtra, a Maharashtra of ideas must be constructed...
…a Maharashtra of religion won't do Constructing a communal Maharashtra won't do
Religion does not teach us to bear ill-will among ourselves
Then if religion does not teach ill-will, why do you?
The Babri Masjid was demolished…
...for Ram?
I asked Advaniji, what have you to do with Ram?
He said, 'No, Bhai, I am a Jhulelal wala (Sindhi)'
Then why did you bring the agenda of Ram?
He said, 'We had to bring the agenda of Ram...'
'...because I want Delhi and here, people are mad. They go crazy in the name of Ram'
That is why I brought Ram in the middle
The use of Ram, the use of religion for power…for Delhi?
Religion is a delicate subject
It is a pure thing
You brought that into the bazaar? Onto the road?
Why do we do this?
For power?
And that is why they demolished the Babri Masjid
'Religion is the opium of the masses,' said Marx
I made a slight alteration to this
I said…
I am not such a great man but this is what felt right to my intellect…
How can religion be the opium of the masses?
Religion is not the opium of the masses because opium intoxicates and religion does not, then how could it be opium?
Religion is not opium, religion does not bring intoxication
Faithlessness is opium
The Babri Masjid was demolished...
not by those who are religious, my brothers
but by the faithless
It intoxicates, faithlessness intoxicates
Religion does not intoxicate
What happened in the Kumbh Mela the other day?
A fight between sadhus? People assaulted with trishuls? Arre aren't you sadhus?
The police bureau statement says...
...'wanted' gentlemen, openly dressed as sadhus…
...but because they are dressed in saffron, we are unable to catch them
Where are we going?
We don't think?
We don't care?
How…what will become of this country?
You want to make the country great in the name of religion?
(gets chit)
The note isn't about stopping…it's about something else…
No but I am going to end, Uddhavrav is also to speak
I won't take a lot of time
Our…the founders of Bhimshakti Abhimanyu Sankal and Aabasaheb Saste…
they are very hardworking…it is their expectation that it shouldn't be lost
Is it the effort that shouldn't be lost or the man…
Which of these, I am not quite sure of
But brothers and sister, my objective behind saying this was…
Today, in the Shiv Sena, my Shiv Sainik, all, my friends…he is my brother…
We are all members of the Mandal Commission commission All under the Mandal Commission
(Audience member leaves) Let him go, if he needs to…he waited quite a while
The Mandal Commission was announced…look at how we think. This is my request…
What I am saying is not meant to be critical…somewhere, this should be examined…
Somewhere, this should be thought over
Only then will our friendship be cemented…otherwise, a superficial friendship…curses the moment one turns ones back…I don't want such a friendship.
All the Shiv Sainiks of the Mandal Commission are our members
Balasaheb opposed the Mandal Commission
but no Sainik of the Shiv Sena opposed it…
this is the goodness of their organisation
We are members of the Mandal Commission…our Sainiks know this
For what are we doing this?
Balasaheb's strength…
This is the first such organisation in Maharashtra
In the history of Maharashtra This is a big thing
One man…for so many years…his rule…without opposition
It's a big thing. I appreciate it. Really. It is really a miracle. It's not a joke.
Goodness must be acknowledged. I am not interested in pointlessly criticising
Goodness...what is good, must be acknowledged.
Goodness can only be acknowledged by one who is good…otherwise one cannot acknowledge it
This is the goodness of the Shiv Sena. This is not just opinion…
I was sitting with Balasaheb, back then, at Sena Bhavan
They wouldn't let me in
Thakur was there…might still be, perhaps…I haven't been there in a while
I said to Thakur, 'Just…' He said, 'No. Saheb is busy. They are all sitting in the Common Hall'
I said, 'I just…just tell him that Bhai Sangare has come'
He delivered the message
Back then, I used to smoke
See...how our relationship kept growing
The Balasaheb you see and the one I do…let me tell you a little bit
He said, 'Arre call him' I went
Didn't I tell you earlier? About Vikramdas Savarkar's meeting…this is the beginning
People like Babandada, elders were sitting there
I went in. Balasaheb stood up, as did the others
Balasaheb was sitting on his…throne
He said to me, Bhai, two minutes, sit there I was seated there
And you'll be shocked…I was smoking
Nobody had the courage to smoke in there
I found this quite surprising
Balasaheb asked for me to be given an ashtray
I realized only later that Balasaheb doesn't do this for anyone
He might have done it out of love, perhaps I stubbed the cigarette
Balasaheb would never leave his seat
He got up and came to where I was and started a discussion
In the mean time, Amarnath Patil arrived
He had some complaints about me. I told him (Balasaheb). And Balasaheb said only this much...
'Amarnath, you recognize him, don't you, Bhai Sangare. Let there never be another complaint'
Matter over Topic over
This presentation, this style…this unique experience, impressed me
Perhaps it is for this reason that we still have a good relationship
We have continued to maintain this relationship
When our Namaantar (renaming) struggle started, we took Athavle there
This is extremely honest…actually, you don't know what these internal workings are
Balasaheb…is an extremely open minded person…I'm not sure how people made him 'this'
An extremely open minded, clear headed man
We were having a good discussion
Balsaheb said that he was ready to travel with us, over the issue of Namaantar Upto Marathwada
Athawle said that Sharad Pawar is to be included
He (Balasaheb) said, 'Take him if you want to but I am ready to come with you'
This happened, our meeting ended, Balasaheb was seeing us out, just when Minatai appeared
As he took leave of us, he asked her ' Did you recognize him?', as he looked at me
'Yes,' she said, 'Bhai, lately you haven't been coming to our house'
Our people were shocked...
...and wondered how we could have such a deep relationship
I told Athawle, 'Baba, we have had a relationship for a long time. Don't worry'
I am revealing this to you intentionally…
Balasaheb spoke to us about the Namaantar issue extremely freely, agreed to travel with us
Balasaheb's statement in the newspaper the next day, however, was changed
I was shocked How did this happen?
But later I understood that perhaps, a call might have come from Manohar Joshi in Nagpur, saying...
'Balsaheb what are you doing? If you travel with them, our Sena in Marathwada and Vidarbha will XXX; how did you make such a decision?'
And after this, perhaps that position might have changed Only that day's statement had appeared completely and properly in Navashakti
I told you earlier, didn't I?
Balasaheb is an open minded man
But that somebody might have put him in this position, is something I suspect to this day
And that is why, when we think of constructing this healthy dialogue…
Today, there is a coalition government
We see the condition of the backward classes
No no…it troubles me a lot
A person from the backward classes doesn't enter the temple! He is shooed away
He feels scared…our work doesn't happen…
It's terrible what's happening there! We must also think about what we are doing all this for
I should believe that this coalition government is our government
But this doesn't happen
And so when we have this healthy dialogue...
...the hurt behind it must not just be made better…it must be cured
That is when a healthy dialogue will be good
And that is why, brothers and sisters...
I said all this today because Uddhavrao is before us
I told you this entire history only for this and that is, because Uddhavrao is before us today… Maharashtra's caretaker of the future
He should also properly understand the sorrows and difficulties of Dalits
Like Jyotiba...
...went before that queen and said…the others went in suits, in boots
Jyotiba went in a dhoti
He said, 'Bai, all these who are here…this is not Bharat. Bharat is like this'
Uddhavrao should understand that the Republican Party which he is presenting to you, is not so, but so
These are our sorrows
This is our say
These are our demands
And if our demands are possible, then there is no harm in friendship
But here is where we insist
And that is why, brothers and sisters…forgive me for taking so much of your time...(indistinct)
As I take your leave, this is what I request Uddhavrao
In fact, he should let go of this obsession with the BJP at the earliest if only for this reason...
In any case, he will let go of it…I'm not too worried…
The thing is, now there's something quite different at play here…
he will tell you in his own way…
but let go of the obsession with the BJP...
...because there the BJP is pushing to amend the Constitution
And the Constitution is our life and soul
No compromise
Now it isn't that this Constitution was written for me-not just for Dalits
It was written for all citizens of India
Even a single scratch on the Constitution...
...is like a scratch on our heart
And that is why, these people who pray that the constitution be amended…
...you sit with them…this fact is bound to disturb us
How will we keep faith? Nahi chalega! No, no nothing doing
How will we accept the BJP?
Those that have decided to destroy the country…
…in their role of destroying the country...
...in their sin…
Balasaheb, Uddhavrao, you would not participate…this is our second request
And the third and final request…
If you really want to create a Maharashtra with goodness like Prabhodhankar, then you too...
...Balasaheb told me of this memory…
When Prabhodhankar was alive...
...he carried out his own funeral procession
Balasaheb told me, told us-Nilubhau and I were there
That is one you call Prabhodhankar
If we want to create that same goodness in Maharashtra...
...then again, I request, that you let go of the obsession with Hindutva...
Hindutva is going to destroy this country...
Hindutva just cannot be nationlism
Hindutva is not nationalism...
...Bharatiyatva is nationalism
Bharat too was a king of this country, there is no need to object to his name
Had Hindutva been a term devoid of religion, we would still have accepted it
But that name which is related to religion, is a name which, no matter how nicely you clarify it...
...no matter how you twist the word Hindutva to explain its meaning…
…even then, for the common man, if you say Hindutva...
...he understands that this is a name related to that religion...
...and our opposition is for this, for this very reason
Indistinct
Another Chota Pakistan would have been formed
Sikhistan would have been formed
Indistinct
And such is the Buddha that Babasaheb Ambedkar accepted; did this country a favour...
...and that is why, we…
I went a bit off topic...
there is no cure for that…that is my personality- a little crooked
but Uddhavrav should understand this…
Our sorrows, our say...
we are straight from every angle
There is this doll...
...throw it here, it goes straight...there, it remains straight
It is like that with me…
On any stage...amongst the blue, even amongst the saffron, I am blue, even amongst the yellow, I am blue
Blue is so mixed in with my blood that it is not possible to come out of it, if I did, then I would gasp for breath like a fish
we have taken the colour of the blue sky for this reason alone...
...so that all of human society may remain infinite like the blue sky...
...where man can just be man Here, no caste and no religion, etc.,
this is the expectation with which I have presented all of this before you
Indistinct
Jai Bhim, Jai Maharashtra
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