Orlando Wharton: You gotta sound like no one else.
That's why people probably like a Blueface 'cause he don't sound like nobody.
Rob Markman: Right.
Orlando Wharton: Even though if he's off beat and you may not like it but he don't sound
like nobody else.
Karlie Hustle: I listen to music 24 7 three sixty five new stuff in my inbox right?
And I just feel like any time a new style catches my entire inbox becomes full of that
so it's been Travis Scott for a while now.
And I'm ready for Blueface just to switch it up.
Rob Markman: What's up geniuses?
Welcome back to For the Record.
I'm your host, Rob Markman and now 2018 was a great one.
We going right into 2019 with a lot of excitement.
Lot of new artists coming, lot of new projects that we didn't get last year that we wanna
get this year.
We hoping we get this year.
I brought a panel here to discuss it, man.
First up, my man from Hot 97 Heavy Hitters, DJs at Up and Down, he has all the dopest
records first, Staten Island's own, DJ Stacks.
Man, what's up?
Welcome to For the Record.
DJ Stacks: Thank you, man.
Rob Markman: Nah, man, thank you for coming.
Rob Markman: Next up we have Atlantic Records, A & R. I mean my man is responsible for signing
Fetty Wap, Kodak Black, Shoreline Mafia, XXX, you name it anything hot over the past five
years, my man probably had a hand in it.
Orlando Wharton.
What up, man?
Welcome to For the Record.
Orlando Wharton: Awp.
Rob Markman: Word word.
Rob Markman: Okay, finally, last but not least we have the host of the Brutally Honest podcast,
one of my favorite podcasts.
It's the only way I feel like I can get some truth in this game, man, everybody lies, man,
but Karlie Hustle always brings the truth.
Brutally Honest podcast, Karlie, welcome to For the Record.
Karlie Hustle: Thanks for having me.
Rob Markman: Yep. How you doing today?
Karlie Hustle: Great.
Rob Markman: You good.
Karlie Hustle: Yep.
Rob Markman: Cool.
Rob Markman: So, you know, everybody had a good New Year's, right?
Safe, happy, healthy?
Karlie Hustle: Absolutely.
Rob Markman: We wanna get into the shits now.
2019.
2018 passed us by.
We got some taste of some artists of what's to come.
In 2019 who are we really excited about?
I wanna start with you Karlie.
Who do you see out there that you think is really poised to take over the game this year?
Karlie Hustle: I'm really excited about Flipp Dinero from Canarsie.
I feel like he had a huge year in 2018 with the "Leave Me Alone" single.
He put out the street record with Jay Critch and then he put out another track called "Feeling
Like" and I just think that he is poised with his new signing to Epic and DJ Khaled
to kind of take over the game.
I could hear him on lots of people's hooks as a guest.
I could hear some features.
I would love to hear an album now going forward and kinda see where he goes.
Rob Markman: Right.
It was dope how 2018 how Leave Me Alone kind of took off because it really had legs of
its own and started growing and then it found its way to Khaled, signs to We the Best and
we see him at the BET Awards but you know me too being from Brooklyn like you seen that
you could really root for a guy like that 'cause you seen that he didn't skip a step
Karlie Hustle: Nope.
Rob Markman: To get where he at.
So, yeah, he's definitely on my list.
O, I wanna go to you, man.
Listen, first of all this man has his fingers on the pulse everywhere.
Who are you looking at in 2019?
Who's out there?
What's the talent looking like?
Orlando Wharton: Who I'm looking at?
I'm excited to hear Roddy Ricch album.
Rob Markman: Right.
Orlando Wharton: Roddy Ricch puttin on.
Somebody from LA something different.
Rob Markman: Right.
You spend a lot of time ... You a East Coast guy, man.
Like, you know, I know you, I mean.
Look, man.
Clue tapes all of that like when we really talk about street music and having your hand
in the culture, you've been doing this a long time.
Spending a lot of time out in LA, Roddy Ricch what's the temperature like, man 'cause it
does definitely feel like there's a new energy coming out of the West post like TDE who's
been running it for a couple years -
Orlando Wharton: He's gotta good energy.
He's different coming from LA, you know.
I'm excited to hear him.
Rob Markman: Dope, dope, dope.
Stacks, man, I know you spinning all the new records and stuff like that.
He's always hitting my line like yo, you gotta watch out for, that's why I know who to cover
at Genius is when I get a text from Stacks but who you looking at for next year?
DJ Stacks: I say, I'm gonna agree with Karlie and O, Roddy Ricch definitely.
I went to his show a month ago and it was a really good show, good turnout, good energy.
I also gotta say 88 Glam, out of Toronto.
Rob Markman: They're The Weeknd, they're down with.
DJ Stacks: They're signed to XO, you know, I did a little club run with them a month
ago.
Great energy.
The young kids love them.
They got a record out that's moving called Lil Boat.
And then also I'd say on my list you got Calboy from Chicago.
Rob Markman: Calboy
DJ Stacks: Yeah.
It's called Envy Me.
That's the record that's moving in the streets.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
We just did a episode of Verified with him over here at Genius.
You know, fans seemed to really love that.
You know, what's your take on a guy like Blueface?
I think everybody's talking about him, everybody's checking out see what this guy's doing.
Karlie, I feel like I've seen you tweeting about it because a lot of people are taking
him to task because he ain't exactly on beat.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like he falls off the beat and then tries to hop back on.
It's a very kind of unorthodox style.
But everybody's talking about this kid.
Do you think he actually has a chance?
Karlie Hustle: He's gonna be huge because he's making so many people upset.
And any time anybody is that polarizing, I mean look at 6ix9ine, people don't like his
style, they don't like his music but then again he's top ten, top five, number one streaming.
Rob Markman: Somebody's lying, right -
Karlie Hustle: Exactly.
Rob Markman: Because somebody's clicking and listening to him.
Karlie Hustle: Yeah.
I really like Blueface.
I think he's very interesting.
He reminds me a lot of some Bay Area shit that I grew up on when I was a kid.
Yes, I know that people love to make the jokes about him being off beat and he does fall
off the beat and come back on but I just think it's interesting if nothing else.
Rob Markman: And he also too ... I mean there's a history there, you know, I think 40 is a
master at that style.
I think when you look at that on-off beat style, E-40 is a master at it.
E-40 is actually on beat but it's kind of this thing we had Ice Cube explain it.
It's this process of like falling off the beat and then catching it and then you know
just kinda doing the swing with it.
But you know you listen to cats like Tee Grizzley -
Karlie Hustle: Right.
Rob Markman: Has a similar style.
SOB has a similar style so you know, this is just what these kids is rocking to -
Karlie Hustle: And that's all Bay Area roots as far as I'm concerned.
Like I know Blueface is from LA but I hear so much Bay in him.
And I hear a lot of Bay in a lot of artists, actually.
Rob Markman: Mm-hmm
Karlie Hustle: So.
Rob Markman: Talking about some Bay Area style, Stacks, is that something that you could spin
in New York?
The Blueface records, is it picking up over here.
DJ Stacks: I think the studio record is moving.
Studio record is doing really well.
It has a great chorus.
Now back to the off beat.
The new generation now that's like a new style to them actually is rapping off beat like.
You got G Herbo.
I know they make fun of him sometimes because they say he's a little off beat.
You got Blueface.
There's another artist in the West Coast.
But the kids today that's like their style, like, is just rapping off beat.
But the great thing about is that they actually embrace it and they just having fun with it
and they just putting out music so.
Like I can't even like knock them for that.
Rob Markman: Is it a matter of time before 'cause we saw the post of Drake and his DMs
DJ Stacks: Um-hmm
Rob Markman: That sounds so weird.
Usually though but we heard this story before when Drake kinda DMs an artist and something
like that you start to see something bubbling you pop up with the Drake feature and for
a lot of people, you know, a lot of the audience, once you get that Drake co-sign
they love you.
You know what I'm saying, like.
DJ Stacks: And he has a record actually coming out with Quavo too so he has I think two big
co-signs right there so you know.
Rob Markman: O, I wanna ask you about this artist from Brooklyn, actually from Flatbush,
Brooklyn, where I'm from, that I've been paying attention to a little bit.
Signed to Kodak Black signed Sniper Gang, 22Gz, 22Gz, has this new record out called
Spin the Block -
Orlando Wharton: Spin the Block.
Rob Markman: You know what caught me about that record was he had the same piano sample
as Raekwon Wu Gambinos so once I heard that flipped in a new way.
As soon as the beat start, I'm like "oh shit, okay, you got my attention."
He gets on the record and the record is actually moving.
What's the deal with 22Gz?
Orlando Wharton: 22Gz is from Brooklyn bringing that energy back.
He got that Brooklyn energy.
Young boy from Brooklyn that's giving you a different side of Brooklyn right now.
Rob Markman: Right.
What is it...especially for a guy like you, knowing that you brought Kodak over to Atlantic.
You know Kodak brings 22Gz into the fold and that process of scouting talent for a guy
like that what are you looking for?
Like what stands out for you before even the label gets involved, before -
Orlando Wharton: Creativity.
Rob Markman: Yeah.
Orlando Wharton: You gotta be creative.
You gotta sound like no one else.
That's why people probably like a Blueface 'cause he don't sound like nobody.
Rob Markman: Right.
Orlando Wharton: Even though if he's off beat and you may not like it but he don't sound
like nobody else.
Everybody sounds the same.
So when everybody starts to sound the same music is redundant so when you hear Blueface that
it sound so ridiculous to you.
It sounds different to somebody else.
Rob Markman: Right.
Orlando Wharton: Tired of hearing the same stuff.
Everybody sounds the same -
Karlie Hustle: There's so many Travis Scotts, man.
How many more Travis Scotts do we need -
Orlando Wharton: Yeah, like everybody sounds the same, right now.
Rob Markman: So are we gonna get this trend of people... are we gonna get this trend ... 'cause
I did see this argument going back to Blueface is that somebody said that it was a style...
I saw somebody make the argument that it's a stylistic choice.
That he chooses to rap that way.
I don't know.
I hear it.
I feel like no that's just how he hears the beat.
He don't hear the beat like the rest of us -
Orlando Wharton: You gotta give it, there's only one Blueface, though.
If you hear him, you know it's him.
Rob Markman: Right.
Orlando Wharton: Regardless if it's good, bad, you don't like it, you do like it.
If you hear him, you know it's him.
Rob Markman: Right.
Orlando Wharton: He looks the part.
And the women like him.
Rob Markman: Right.
Orlando Wharton: So, he got all that going for him.
Remember this is entertainment at the end of the day.
Some people gonna listen to music and learn off of it and culture themselves.
Some people gonna entertain themselves with music.
You gotta know who's for who -
Rob Markman: Who's for who.
Orlando Wharton: And what's for what.
Rob Markman: So, I wanna get back 'cause Karlie had me thinking for a second there is nobody
like him and we see in this game, are we gonna see a lot of people who can actually rap on
beat purposely rapping off beat now?
Is this gonna become the de facto style -
Karlie Hustle: I mean, yeah, if he explodes then you're gonna get everybody rapping off
beat.
Orlando Wharton: Yeah.
But then it's not cool then 'cause he's doing it that's his natural style.
Rob Markman: Right.
See that's what I'm saying -
Orlando Wharton: He's naturally doing that.
Rob Markman: I feel like he's naturally doing it and the fear ... I don't think there's
nothing wrong with it and I think everybody can agree I think it gets wack when all of
a sudden that becomes the style and that's like Bro, you don't even hear the beat like that
You don't even rap like that but you doing this because you think it's gonna get you on.
Karlie Hustle: I listen to music 24/7, 365 new stuff in my inbox right?
And I just feel like any time a new style catches my entire inbox becomes full of that
so it's been Travis Scott for a while now.
And I'm ready for Blueface just to switch it up.
Rob Markman: Just to switch it up.
Rob Markman: You know, I wanna get y'all take on this dude he's excited me this year
when J. Cole came out with the 1985 record and he was kinda you know scolding the generation
of rappers here comes this cat outta the YBN camp Cordae with a response to Cole right
away and giving his perspective and giving a young dude's perspective and then he dropped
the record like Kung Fu
Rob Markman: He dropped Scotty Pippen, I liked what YBN Cordae, like I'm super excited for
like a YBN Cordae project on this year... is anybody else checking for him, like what
do we think of Cordae?
DJ Stacks: I think he's dope.
I like the kid, like he's in his own lane, like I think he's focused, he knows that he's
trying to do.
I feel like he's very confident in himself and I think that's very important as an artist
nowadays.
So...
Karlie Hustle: I think when Nahmir came out, is kind of the star out of that camp initially
and then I kind of feel like Cordae is now slowly but surely kind of stepping it up
Karlie Hustle: And he looks like an artist that's going to be around for a while not just
a one off single or whatever and that's no shade to Nahmir.
Rob Markman: Right, you know look man, and I see what they're trying to do over there
with what they're actually doing with the YBN camp, you know, but I have to admit to
Nahmir, you know cause I'm the type that just man to man when I see Nahmir, I didn't see
all of this with his first single, I thought it was gonna be a one and done situation,
I thought it was going to be a viral record that he was going to drop and we were going
to be over it.
Part of the appeal of Nahmir, at least first off, is that he has this baby face, like he
actually looks twelve years old and he was talking so reckless with all this gun talk,
like it just made you look like, yo is he for real?
And I didn't see a whole lot of longevity in that but I had to give it up.
Like bro, you proved me wrong, you actually had a vision for your camp, the whole time.
Karlie Hustle: And they all met on like like video games, right?
Rob Markman: Right, well talk about, one of the things that I always say is this and you
guys can agree or disagree.
I think that Cordae can rap.
Orlando Wharton: Absolutely.
He's skillful.
Rob Markman: What the style is, that he can always rap.
And I always say that rappers, if you look at rappers who have twenty-plus year careers,
they all could rap and adapt with the times so be it a Jay-Z, be it a Nas, even though
that new Nas album didn't happen.
T.I. you know what I'm saying, the Dime Trap, no matter what, I think that guys that rap
will always be able to put out albums no matter what the style is.
Cordae kinda reminds me of that.
I think Kendrick before in that lane, and I think Cole will fall in that lane.
Orlando Wharton: Absolutely.
Like, Nahmir
And that other one… they ain't got a lifespan, they just doing what's cool.
But the other dude, Cordae is really skillful so he can keep elevating and I think that
he has a longer lifespan than both of them, I think he's going to have a great career
actually.
Rob Markman: Yeah, that's dope.
Let's talk about some of the women out there too, man.
Karlie, I'll start with you.
Is there any women that we should be checking for?
I got a couple on my list but I want to hear from yours.
Is there anybody else we should be checking out and are they hip-hop or R&B, you know,
just in our world.
Karlie Hustle: Sure, I mean, I know that Young M.A been out for a minute but I'm still very
much focused on watching her star rise because I personally think that she's been very disciplined
and careful.
I know she turned down some big bags when her "ooouuu" record was out and she just
wasn't ready for that and I think she's very slowly and methodically been putting out records
and I feel like 2019 is an album year for her.
And I believe that she's going to take it to that level.
Rob Markman: She, Young M.A is amazing because I think she found something that worked.
If you look at her streaming numbers, her YouTube numbers, I think most people associate
her with "ooouuu" and if you're only like casually paying attention, you don't know,
but, every time she comes to Genius, the traffic goes through the roof, every time she drop
a new video it's ten million plus, I think that a lot of people wrote her off.
Do you still see life for Young M.A.?
Orlando Wharton: M.A's skillful as well.
And she's from Brooklyn, and you know Brooklyn, supports Brooklyn.
It's never over when you from Brooklyn.
Karlie Hustle: That's right.
Rob Markman: Absolutely, what do we think of…
Stacks, I know you and I had talked off air, an artist that both you and I are excited
about called Coi Leray.
She got the new record out Huddy.
DJ Stacks: Yeah, Coi Leray.
Out of New Jersey.
I've been watching her for about a year.
I've been seeing her grow.
She did Rolling Loud I think about a month ago, and I think she's in the right path,
right direction.
So I think that, you know, she might have some big features coming for this year, for
2019.
So, yeah.
Karlie: That Huddy record is dope.
Rob Markman: That Huddy record, shout out to Knock who produced that too.
Wynne, has anybody ever heard of Wynne, out of Portland, now, if you haven't caught wind
of this story, Wynne freestyles, white girl from Portland, blonde hair, super dope lyrist,
she put out a freestyle and it went viral all of the sudden with the rumor that she
was Hailie Jade, that she was Eminem's daughter.
And you know how the internet goes one person say it and it gets retweeted and, it just
becomes the truth.
I hit them up, and I said, "Yo, did y'all plan this?
Because if y'all planned this, this is expert marketing" and no, she was frustrated her
team had nothing to do with it, it just was kind of a lie that took on a life of its own.
But, with that, I feel like now everybody's watching her, right?
So what's the record.
Are you guys up on Wynne?
Have you been checking out Wynne lately?
DJ Stacks: I've been checking her here and there, just not too much but I've been paying
attention here and there.
Karlie Hustle: Yeah, and I actually sat with her not too long ago.
She went viral before with another sort of, on I think on Twitter and Instagram to another
freestyle a year or so ago too.
I think that she really has a lot of respect for hip-hop.
I think she understands her lane as a white woman in the hip-hop space more than most.
And I really respect that about her.
I think she just wants to grind it out and really earn her stripes which I think is dope
and she can rap.
And so I think it's gonna be a brick by brick for her as she builds this.
And I think she's patient.
Rob Markman We had that same kind of conversations and you know there is a privilege, there is
a certain privilege that comes with being a white artist...
Karlie Hustle: Yep.
Rob Markman: Especially when, when so much of the audience are white kids themselves...
Karlie Hustle: Yep.
Rob Markman: And people, there's all types of shit in the game and politics in the game
that are very real and then sometimes it boils down to people who support people who look
like them, are just naturally attracted ....
Karlie Hustle: Yep.
Rob Markman: And if she plays the game right and she if she kinda has respect for it the
way that she has been moving, she has a super bright future, I feel like....
Karlie Hustle: Yep.
Rob Markman: What about Summer Walker?
Summer Walker has been emerging man, do we like what's Summer's doing?
DJ Stacks: She's dope.
Orlando Wharton: Good R&B right there.
DJ Stacks: She's from Atlanta Georgia, I believe.
Yeah, she's official.
I've been listening to her for the past six months.
Rob Markman: Who don't we fuck with?
We like everybody here, now let's get to this shit, is there anybody that we just absolutely
don't believe?
Orlando Wharton: Music is creative.
You have to let people create…
It's a form of art.
You can't not like it.
DJ Stacks: Another artist, I'd say, DaniLeigh I think that she's dope.
Rob Markman: Okay.
DJ Stacks: I think she's going to have something for 2019, you know she had the remix with
Lil Baby that came out...
Rob Markman: That was such a layup man, cause she had the record that was called "Lil
Bebe", like if you don't get Lil Baby on the remix, what are we doing?
DJ Stacks: But she's dope, I like DaniLeigh and you know, she's a dancer, songwriter,
you know I know she won an award for writing a song I believe for J-Lo on the Cardi B with
Khaled record, but she's dope.
She's talented and I think she got some stuff coming for 2019 for this year.
Rob Markman: You know who I'm fucking with?
I'm fucking with Melii dog.
Karlie Hustle: Yes.
DJ Stacks: Melii's good too.
Rob Markman: I think that Melii you know, I was a fan from "Icey," from when she
did her Bodak Yellow remix, I found out about her and she did Icey which was super dope.
"Shit talk," I was like "oh shit she can rap."
Like oh, you rap, rap.
DJ Stacks: In English and Spanish.
Rob Markman: Yeah!
English and Spanish and then she showed up on Meek's album.
Rob Markman: On "With the Shits."
And I think she bodied that.
And low-key, I'ma get killed, I was more excited that, than the Drake and Meek feature.
The Drake and Meek record kind of let me down a little bit.
When I heard the Melii, the energy on that shit was like all the way up.
You fucking with Melii too?
DJ Stacks: Yeah.
I know Melii, shouts to GO, shouts to go yard, right?
Yeah Melii's dope, Melii's got her new R&B song that's pretty dope, but what I like about
Melii is that she can do English and Spanish and it's like she can spit for you in English
and she can spit for you in Spanish and she doesn't sound cheesy.
Most artists nowadays that try to do both sides they sound cheesy sometimes but I think
Melii's dope.
You know.
Karlie Hustle: Yeah, she's going to be able to get in where she fits in across all kinds
of genres if she wants to go into the Latin trap side she can go over there.
She's in a good spot.
Rob Markman: O, what happened man?
O, did you try to sign her?
Or, what's up?
Orlando Wharton: Nah, I was in Florida or somewhere.
Rob Markman: Look them Florida boys got it..
Whatever's going on down there in Florida...
Yeah, man.
I want to talk about, okay, we talked about some new ones, I want to talk about some established
artists albums that we're looking forward to next year.
Kanye West, right?
I feel like we talked about him all year and most of our talk had nothing to do with the
music.
He dropped Kids See Ghosts, he said he dropped the Ye album, it felt like those kind of came
and went for the most part and all we saw was, was the Trump, now we see the Drake-Kanye
beef, but Kanye promised us an album around Thanksgiving ....And pushed it back to next
year.
Do we think Kanye could redeem himself with a new album?
Cause it kind of feels like musically, I mean, if I'm being real....
Orlando Wharton: He could but I would don't think he's going to make it.
I don't think he's in the space to make something as creative as he was making.
Rob Markman: What does he need to do?
What do you think Kanye needs to do musically that can kind of bring us back?
Orlando Wharton: I don't think there's nothing he can do, I just think he was at a point
in time where he was making great music and he's not at that point anymore.
Can't make it, you don't ... it's not has the magic right now.
That's it.
Orlando Wharton: He had a great career already, sometimes you gotta know when your creativity
ain't there no more.
When you're not making music for the masses and you just making music for yourself and
for that little fan base you got left, which is cool, but you gotta know what you're doing.
Rob Markman: He's still got a big fan base left.
Orlando Wharton: Yeah he does, but there's a lot of artists, man, there's a lot of young
artist out there...
And he's not really giving them what they want.
Karlie Hustle: I think he's gonna be alright.
Dj Stacks: I mean, Kanye, Kanye's already a brand, right?
So it's like, it's like with a branding, so, it's like clothing or cars, they're so big
and the minute they drop something, people are still going to look at it, talk about
it... purchase it.
It might not be excited about it, I mean not like excited... it might not be fully satisfied
but they're still going to support him because of that name and that brand.
I think Kanye, he's going to be okay but he's not going to give us that feeling of 'Graduation'
or 'Late Registration' days.
Rob Markman: I'll take the 'Life of Pablo' feeling, like if that's what you got, that's
a good album.
When he got into 'I Love It', like I was confused, cause I was like, a lot of people was like,
'Yo, that record slaps'.
Were you able to play that?
In the clubs and during your sets?
What was the reaction to it?
DJ Stacks: That record is a big record in the clubs and you know people are having fun
and they're drunk and they chilling.
You know, it's easy to sing along to, it's funny.
I know it's a little disrespectful to women but, the women, are actually singing the whole
song loud and clear.
But you know, it's just a fun song in the club, it's Lil Pump's on it.
Lil Pump has a great fan base so...
Rob Markman: So, I don't doubt that, cause it's hard to argue with that cause you out
there and the beat to the record... it's cool, that record could exist, that's not what I
want from Kanye.
DJ Stacks: Oh yeah.
100 percent.
Rob Markman: I mean, that's not what I go to Kanye for, let that be Pump's record
and it'd be cool.
Karlie, you think he can come back?
You think Kanye got...
Karlie Hustle: Yeah I do.
I really do.
Karlie Hustle: I just ... he's Kanye West, I mean, I understand he's problematic, and
has all these issues, and I totally get that, but I also know that he's the same genius
that made so much of that music that we've been enjoying for the past decade and some
change.
I thoroughly believe that if he keeps the right people around him, and that's the big
question mark, then he could make some brilliant music again.
Karlie Hustle: The way the internet moves, the way the world works now, you're just one
song away, one publicity stunt away-
DJ Stacks: Always.
Karlie Hustle: ... from returning to the top of the game.
DJ Stacks: I always say that to artists, like, never underestimate a artist's career at the
moment, 'cause every artist is always one song away from coming back and making that
hit.
Karlie Hustle: Or just destroying yourself completely, I mean, it's just very volatile
right now.
Rob Markman: Yeah, well, hopefully Kanye can kind of come back and yeah, I don't necessarily
need the 'Graduation' sound, from him, or even looking for that, but just something
that he always seemed like, when he was at the top, and at his best, that he was pushing
the boundaries forward, and now it feels like a lot of following what other people do, and
also rushing music out, it felt like this year.
Rob Markman: My man Charlamagne had said it best, he said that Kanye was the type who
would be a perfectionist on a record, right?
Like, I think he mixed "Power" like, 25 times before he put Power out, as opposed
to now, it seems like he's just making a record and throwing it out, making a record and throwing
it out, so it's a different process.
Karlie Hustle: He's like trying to respond to the times, though, 'cause I feel like that's
how people are making, consuming music.
I feel like he's trying to challenge himself to be what it is, right now and it's unfortunate
because it's not his best work.
But that's the consumption cycle.
Rob Markman: But by that, one person-
Orlando Wharton: Lotta music out there, lotta music coming out.
Karlie Hustle: Yeah.
Rob Markman: One person who doesn't need to follow the consumption cycle at all, is Rihanna.
Right?
Are we getting a Rihanna album this year, like do you think like ...
DJ Stacks: I mean, I know they said that she working on a reggae album.
Orlando Wharton: That's the rumor.
A reggae album
Karlie Hustle: Heard reggae, and like Afrobeats
DJ Stacks: Yeah, 'cause I have a few friends that's just ...
Orlando Wharton: See you want her to take time with it, 'cause that means it's gonna
be good.
That means she's in there creating, cooking it up.
Making sure it's creative
Rob Markman: So, you vote for taking time-
Orlando Wharton: Absolutely.
Rob Markman: ... for each album.
How do you balance that, especially, like, as a A&R, you're working with a lot of young
artists, you're kind of-
Orlando Wharton: See, but there's different type of artists, if you got a young artist,
and you're trying to make a name for yourself, of course you have to drop fast, so they keep
up with the cycle.
Orlando Wharton: But somebody like Rihanna has to put quality out, 'cause there's only
one Rihanna, and we waiting for her, so when she comes out, the music has to be something
that's great, so something great takes a little longer to make.
DJ Stacks: Same thing with like, Kendrick, I think Punch from TDE said Kendrick is not
dropping an album no time soon.
Continue to keep listening to Damn.
So ... you know.
Orlando Wharton: You think them Kendrick albums are easy to make?
No.
They great because time, effort, skill, determination into those albums.
That's why they so magnificent.
You're not gonna make that album in six months, it's not gonna happen.
Karlie Hustle: What new artist has the luxury of being able to spend that much time on their
music, though?
And that's the crazy thing, it's like you have to be very established like that in order
to spend that much time, or else if you're not like, in the cycle, in the cycle, then
people forget about you and move on.
So it concerns me about how we're building our next superstars, if we're not giving them
time to create.
Orlando Wharton: And we're not working the album past one cycle.
Karlie Hustle: Yeah.
Orlando Wharton: Now the album comes out, the singles and then that's it.
Before, we'll work a album three cycles.
You get three singles, they'll work the whole album.
So you get a couple months to work an album, people get to love the album, live with it,
and then see what they like about it.
Now, it's one week, the next week somebody else comes out, somebody else comes out-
Karlie Hustle: Crazy.
Orlando Wharton: So it's hard to consume music, and really love music.
Rob Markman: It feels like that's what Travis Scott is doing, right now.
He just announced a second leg of his tour, like, it's rare, you know there's special
artists.
You have to be a artist of a certain magnitude to be able to get two legs of a tour-
Orlando Wharton: Well, Travis Scott started from the bottom-
Rob Markman: He sure did, he sure did.
Orlando Wharton: ... and worked his way up, he got his look right, he got his touring
right, he got his music right, and he got his business right and then he took it to
the next level.
A lot of artists ain't smart enough and dedicated enough to do what Travis Scott did.
Travis Scott didn't come out and blow up, that didn't happen for him.
Rob Markman: So, what about a guy like, 'cause I hear all of this and I actually agree with
it all, but a guy like Drake, I feel is an anomaly, because he builds big special, on
the level of the Rihannas, the Kendrick Lamars, like he's up there, elite artist of this day,
but it feels like Drake is never outta cycle.
Like, you know, when he wrapped up his last Scorpion tour, he said, "I'm coming right
back in 2019, I'm gonna drop something else."
And if it ain't features, he's gonna drop a project right away.
Orlando Wharton: This is ... well, Drake built a magnificent team, that's helping him create
all this magnificent music.
So while he's on the road, he has people working.
Some people don't have a team like that.
Drake has one of the best teams ever making music.
Executive producing, producing, writing, making hooks, that's why he keeps churning out this
great music, 'cause he has a team doing this for him, and they all very skillful, he knew
how to pick the right people to help him.
That's his skill in that.
That's why Drake is at the top of the game.
Rob Markman: Do we think we'll see, one of the rumors about Drake and ... you know, up
there, Toronto, you mentioned XO earlier, we know the Weeknd is working on something,
as well, and the Weeknd again, is one of those artists that take a lot of time with his project.
Rob Markman: There's always been this rumor of a Drake-Weeknd reunion that we quite haven't
gotten yet, you know what I'm saying?
You think we're gonna get more tracks from the Weeknd and Drake?
DJ Stacks: I mean, I don't know man, I mean, 2019 right now is unpredictable, like the
past year, so I mean, one of my favorite records of all time, but like, that I like was "Crew
Love," like Drake and the Weeknd, so if they could come out with another record like
that, or just a body of work, like, that'd be fire, but I don't know, it's ... you know,
Drake is working on his album, the Weeknd is working on his album, so sometimes schedules
conflict when two artists that major platform, you know, trying to work together.
It's conflict, sometimes.
Rob Markman: All right, let's just go around the room, just things you're looking forward
to..., we talked about the biggest artists, right?
And I'm the type, I'm not 'gon lie, like my favorite albums are normally not the biggest
albums, like, you know, I'm ... 2018, I was the Pusha-T, I was the Nipsey Hussle guy,
and you know, loved Astroworld, Scorpion had some cool joints on it.
But they weren't at the top of my list.
I always, maybe, root for the underdog, but in terms of you, Karlie, is there any albums
that you really looking forward to next year?
Karlie Hustle: Yeah, I mean, I hope that Frank Ocean drops an album, I'm you know, it's kind
of Captain Obvious, but like, I love Frank Ocean, I want to see what he's gonna do next,
of course.
I guess I'm not getting my Kendrick album, sadly.
I'm ...
Rob Markman: I think you might get a Kendrick album.
Karlie Hustle: I hope so.
Rob Markman: You know, it might be around March, and all of a sudden he'll be like,
"Ah! Got it!"
Work, and then, you know what I'm saying?
I'm still holding out for a Kendrick album.
Karlie Hustle: Me too.
And um, there's a kid that's Brooklyn based now, his name is Cautious Clay, I don't know
if you've heard about him, but he's definitely more of like a R&B, pop, alternative hybrid,
and his songwriting is great, and he plays multiple instruments and I'm really excited
to see what he's gonna do in 2019.
Rob Markman: Dope.
O, anything we looking forward to this coming year?
Orlando Wharton: I mean, Kodak Black, on my Kodak Black season.
Rob Markman: Again?
He just dropped a new album.
Orlando Wharton: Gotta drop again, he's the artist's gotta keep dropping.
22, looking for him, PNB Rock, Shoreline Mafia ...
Rob Markman: Okay.
Anybody else that you're not working with that you into ...
Orlando Wharton: Roddy Ricch.
Rob Markman: Roddy Ricch, all right.
No, that's dope.
Stacks, man, what you looking forward to for next year?
DJ Stacks: I'm looking forward to the same thing, Roddy Ricch, 88 Glam, this kid Thutmose,
from Brooklyn, he's dope.
Karlie Hustle: He's on my list, too.
DJ Stacks: You know, and also this other guy, Pink Sweat$.
Rob Markman: Pink Sweat$, yeah, man.
DJ Stacks: Really good R&B guy, it's dope.
Rob Markman: Genius got something coming with Pink Sweat$, but yeah, Pink Sweat$-
DJ Stacks: It's official.
Rob Markman: I'm really looking forward to this ScHoolboy Q album, I think Q again, is
one of those artists that might not be on the level of the Rihannas and that we were
talking about, but definitely a guy that takes his time and goes against the wave every time.
He doesn't go with the flow, he creates his own.
I'm really looking forward to what he has to say, especially since we lost Mac Miller,
you know that him and Mac were really close.
I think that's gonna be dope.
Rob Markman: I really wanna hear this Rick Ross project.
This Port of Miami 2, look, I don't need no trap, nothing from Ross, I just want all soulful,
luxurious ... Justice League laid back music.
Maybach Music..
These type of beats, you know what I'm saying like, if Ross can give me one of those, man,
I think Ross can drop a phenomenal project this year, and definitely want to shout out
2 Chainz and Wale too, man, I know Wale, every time we turn on Twitter, he is retiring, or
quitting.
But I want to see him use that chip and make a super dope fire project, like you know he
can.
Karlie Hustle: Yes.
Rob Markman: So that's it.
Cool.
Anything else, everybody else good?
We good?
I think we got it covered, right?
DJ Stacks: Yeah.
Rob Markman: We don't gotta do no more episodes, we just wrapped up 2019 in one episode.
Listen, I definitely want you to check out Karlie Hustle, on the Brutally Honest podcast,
right?
Rob Markman: Is that ... are we weekly, bi-weekly now?
Karlie Hustle: It's a bi-weekly.
Rob Markman: Bi-weekly, okay, so definitely check that out, a lot of good information there.
Check out O over at Atlantic Records, you never know who he's 'gon be signing next.
Orlando Wharton: You never know.
Rob Markman: You wanna know who's hot?
Just follow him on the 'Gram, see what city he's in.
You start to get the temperature check.
You know what I'm saying?
And my man, DJ Stacks, man, from Hot 97, heavy hitters own, DJ Enuff, what up.
Yeah, and you're at Up and Down every week,
DJ Stacks: Yeah, Up and Down, TAO, 1OAK , the clubs
Rob Markman: You really keeping your pulse on what's going on in the city, man.
DJ Stacks: Always.
I hit up O, all the time we talk, like "yo, this is what's moving."
I'll send him a video, he'll send me a song, so you know, as a DJ, that's my job, right?
Like, you know, it's to be on top of the music, the culture.
Like Karlie says, she listens to music 24/7, checks her inbox like, that's what we love
to do, so you know, that's my job to be on point as a DJ and making sure I support the
upcoming, not just the artists that are here, but the upcoming artists, as well, you know?
Rob Markman: For sure man, you're absolutely doing that and you, all of you are welcome
on the show, anytime.
O, make sure all the artists you sign come up here, I need the exclusive, every time,
you understand what I'm saying?
Orlando Wharton: That's a fact.
Rob Markman: No, that's it, man.
That's For The Record man, thank you.
Leave your picks in the comments, man.
2019, who the new artists you looking forward to?
Who's the new albums you looking forward for?
Leave it in the comments, man, we'll talk back.
Peace.
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