Yvonne: Well, I can see right off the bat that I came into this situation with certain
reservations about performing during the day in this huge space with this constant buzz
of museum-goers, but I resigned myself to it and I thought it was a very good situation.
Ana: People were pretty focused, somehow.
Yvonne: Yeah, look.
Pat: And also, they don't know they're gonna stand there for five minutes.
They're waiting to see what happens so they're attentive.
Patricia: Do you direct them to be dead serious or…?
Yvonne: Yeah, yeah.
I didn't tell them not to blink or, you know…
Patricia: Smile but not to smile.
Yvonne: It's an individual matter how you stand still.
Patricia: They have to count?
Yvonne: No but they have music to…
Pat: No, they know the music.
They recognize the shift in the music when they are to begin to run which is…
The shift in the music starts in about 10 seconds.
Ana: You both did it, no?
Patricia: I've never done it before.
Ana: You never did it?
No?
Pat: Never done it, no.
Yvonne: I've done it.
Patricia: Really?
Pat: But you did it barefoot.
That's what interested me.
Yvonne: Yeah, that was the difference.
Pat: The most important thing is to keep the shape of the clump.
Patricia: But the individuals inside can't move.
Pat: Can't move around.
They sometimes have to position themselves that they have a breakaway.
There.
You broke away really easily right there, but sometimes it was awkward.
Patricia: Well, every time they came back into the dressing room when we were warming
up…
Ana: They would be talking about…
Patricia: …they would be, like, you know, all the difficulties of navigating that space.
Pat: Yeah, yeah.
They should be closer together.
Yvonne: See, now here they should be…
Pat: They're too spread out.
Yvonne: …closer together.
Pat: Yeah, yeah.
Whatever were they thinking?
Yvonne: Come on.
Get together.
Pat: Well, it's hard, in a way, to run when you're in the center because you're just kind
of going around yourself.
Now these two people, I taught this to them in Dublin because they were dancers I chose
for Yvonne's performance at the Irish Museum of Modern Art.
Thomas: Do you think it makes any difference whether the dancers are people you know or
don't know?
Like, back in the day, these were folks that you were working with and you knew their work.
I'm just wondering, like, in terms of how close you get or how far you get.
Yvonne: My own group I've been working with some of you since 2000…
Pat: 1999, 2000.
Yvonne: Well, Pat...
Pat: ...forever but...
Ana: 1931.
Pat: Yeah, just about.
Yvonne: With new people, yeah, it's a different situation, yeah, in my experience.
Pat, what's yours?
Pat: Well, it is like you have to kind of get used to what kind of instructions people
respond to and what kind of instructions they don't get.
Patricia: Like this woman, Mary Kate, I would've never thought that she would be a Trio A-er.
Yvonne: Why?
Patricia: Because of her training.
She performs in more presentational kinds of works/choreographers, but she did so great.
Pat: She grasped details of performance and gesture immediately and retains it.
Patricia: She had, like, an athletic energy…
Pat: Yeah, she has an athleticism that's really beautiful.
Patricia: …that it was so fantastic to see it.
Pat: There's something about a white man with no hair in Trump's, you know, reign in this
country.
Think of, like, White supremacist or something, you know, with the flag.
Even though it is a commentary…
Yvonne: Oh, oh, the flag.
Pat: …on nationalism.
Yvonne: I thought you were trying to imagine Trump doing this.
Pat: I think we should now that the government will never be ...
Thomas: That's a frightening image.
Oh, my God.
That will never get out of my head.
Pat: Here comes the star.
Patricia: Everybody talked about this coat to me.
Yvonne: Why?
Patricia: Like, is this character from a French film?
Yvonne: Why a French film?
Patricia: I have no idea.
Because it's elegant, it's minimalist?
Yvonne: What does that have to do with French film?
Patricia: I think there was something communicated by the costume this time than ever before
that she was in a train station or something, you know, running to catch the train.
Like, that was a whole narrative that never we've had there before.
Yvonne: Well, the other weird thing is you're not allowed to take your hands out of your
pockets.
You have to get up…
Patricia: I mean it's hard to run, like, in bare feet and all.
But, I really got in shape.
People applauded the running.
Yvonne: They thought it was over.
Oh, I love this part.
Patricia: You taught me.
You taught me everything I know.
Pat: That smile is particularly bizarre.
Patricia: I mean I've been doing this for 10, 12 years, 15 years.
I remember the first day that you came to the…it was, like, 2001.
She was looking for somebody who could scream.
Yvonne: In a theatrical setting, she would get up and…yeah, and as she turns her head
to the left, the lights fade to black.
So, I think I gave you special instructions, milk it.
Patricia: Use it.
Take your time.
Yvonne: Take your time.
Patricia: And that was, like, the hardest part to…
Pat: The hardest thing to do, I would think, yeah.
Patricia: And because I would see every single person in the audience.
I would cry.
Yvonne: Oh, this is beautiful.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
It's great as a closeup.
Pat: It's beautiful.
Yvonne: I was involved in repetition at that time and randomness.
Yeah, it's not choreographed the overall structure.
Each movement has a number.
Pat: Or a letter.
Yvonne: Or a letter.
Patricia: And anybody can call it.
Yvonne: If you want to change a diagonal, you tap someone and go on a different diagonal.
Pat: This is six.
She's doing nine, which nobody likes to do.
She got abandoned.
It's a C.
Yvonne: It's a two
Pat: It's a C.
Patricia: So now David just touched Emily and they changed directions.
Yvonne: Yeah, and they'd go to a different corner.
Patricia: And you have to stay moving like that in the corner.
Yvonne: You do this treading motion.
Ana: What are you doing, Pat?
Pat: I'm doing random walking.
Patricia: What you see is what you get.
Pat: I just did D3, I think.
And I stopped still which you can do in the random walking, but you can't move again unless
someone jostles you.
Here comes, Ms. Yvonne.
Patricia: We didn't know Yvonne was coming in.
Ana: You didn't?
Pat: No.
Patricia: No.
Yvonne: No, this is the first time.
I just came in and stood.
Patricia: Everybody's smiling because we're like, "What is Yvonne doing here?"
Pat: Like, "What the hell?"
When she started coming out, I thought, "Oh, she's going to come out and tell us we're
doing something wrong."
Patricia: Like, in the middle of the performance, Yvonne would be like, "I don't know what three
is," so we would have to do, like, a quick…
Ana: Update.
Patricia: Update, yeah.
Oh, Yvonne, now you joined the group.
Pat: That was eight.
Yvonne: That's enough of that.
Patricia: The privileges of the boss, you go in and out when you want.
Yvonne: Now I'm in the group.
Pat: Raise your head, Yvonne.
Why are you looking at the floor?
Ana: It's really hard to watch yourself.
Yvonne: Oh, dear.
Pat: This is three.
Patricia: Okay, forget it.
Yvonne: I'm not going to do that.
Yvonne: What am I doing?
Pat: You're getting us to come out.
Patricia: And she's out there by herself.
It's like, "Come on out."
Pat: But when we were done, I mean we were all performing at age one hundred like twice
a day.
So we were like, "Okay, we're done," but at the same time, it felt like it was just the
beginning like there was something happening.
Yvonne: What am I going to do?
What do you want from me?
Patricia: You were happy.
Yvonne: Of course.
Patricia: You were so happy.
Yvonne: Yeah, I was very happy.
Yeah.
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