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- Do you get writer's block?
What do you do if it's just a song
just isn't working for you?
- My thing is basically purely collaborative,
because I rarely sit down and write by myself
at a piano, you know, usually I'm producing an artist
and sometimes you're there to give a lot of the song,
sometimes you're there just to help
with a few lyrics, being a bouncing board,
give a few chords, help finish the next line.
So I only know that side of it.
- Do they spark you?
DO they spark stuff in you?
- They do absolutely spark and like for better
or for worse, the best songs come
when you're going through a trying time.
Really, that's what I find.
And luckily life will always find a way
to deal you a shit hand every now and then.
So I feel like that's the good thing about it.
Like you'll never get the well won't run dry,
because I feel like you always have
those kinds of life experiences
and in that place whether it's like an Amy Winehouse,
or whoever it is, like I get to sort of tap
into their well of giant emotion for a little while
and sometimes it's not even fair,
because I'm going along for the ride on their horrible,
tragic life experiences, because that's my job
to make the best song that I can with them
and I didn't have to necessarily
even go through half of that stuff.
But I think that that's what keeps me
every new project, like, just rejuvenates me,
because I'm always getting into somebody else's,
sort of, life experience and then seeing
how it matches up with my own.
- Working with Gaga on the Shallow, you know,
I know you'd worked with her on Joanne before,
and it's a little more of the natural, I guess,
version of her.
How did the two of you sort of come to that song?
- She was obviously writing as Ally.
You know, she had that character.
She knew that that's what she wanted to do.
You can't help but tap into your own emotion.
Like I feel like if you're just writing a song
like specifically for the character and only doing that,
then you're almost just like completing a task.
But like if you want to get emotion that obviously,
everybody even if you're writing for the film,
is drawing from something in their own life
and that's what kind of makes people feel it
in the gut when hear that song.
So, that's kind of where I think it was half and half.
Well, I can only speak for myself,
but I know she was writing for Ally
and you know, this was supposed to be, I guess,
we'd probably imagine it was the end credit song.
We had no idea at the time, it was going to become
this part of the narrative.
But the way that, that's everybody's,
for lack of a better word, everybody's shit,
and life experience, and trials, and tribulations.
Just kind of in that song and being channeled,
but for this one person to sing in the film.
- Weren't you proud of the job she did?
- I couldn't believe it.
Like, when you have somebody like that
that you can write a really good song.
That's subjective, but when you have a brilliant filmmaker
and this performance.
Like it is just like giving your song the biggest,
to give it a, call it a leg up,
is the biggest understatement of all time.
- I loved it.
I loved it, I thought she did a great job.
- Yeah, I remember leaving actually I saw early cut
and the first time I saw that Bradley
had worked the song into the script
and I couldn't wait to leave, because I couldn't wait
to call my friends and be like,
"You guys aren't going to fucking believe
"when you see this song like what it's become."
You're going to be able to pay your rent for three months,
and like whatever else.
- What a great thing.
(laughing)
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- So artists are often influenced
by the current political climate.
I'm curious, how are you feeling about the climate
we're living in now and how is that inspiring your work?
- You can only really write what genuinely comes out
of you I feel like and if that is your leaning.
For me, I'm actually probably the only person
who's not really a lyricist, like I write music
so I try and let my political,
whether it's supporting swing left or whatever it is,
and putting it on my records or, that's what I can do.
I mean it fills the small drop in the bucket
compared to what you've done.
You know, the Bay Area was obviously
the most politically outspoken
of all of early hip hop movements as well.
So it's like, I guess I just, I'm sort of envious
of what you guys have been able to do
and I just try and find my way in
or whatever I feel I can do that's appropriate.
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- How has music saved you in your own life?
- I actually don't really go to happy music.
I guess, I don't know how you guys are,
but I always find myself like if I'm in a depressed state,
I actually want to listen to sad songs.
I want to feel like someone understands me,
not 'cause I want to wallow in it,
but you just want to be like--
- Misery loves company.
- Or someone has it worse than you somewhere.
(laughing)
- Listen to the blues, it's good for ya.
- Yeah, so I think it's like I'm kind of sort of
known for making this slightly
like you're oppressively happy music
which is so like crazy when I just,
obviously like Uptown Funk is a bit of an anomaly,
but like all I do is just get pictures and videos
from my friends and their two year old kids
and they love it.
And they're like, they played it
at the wedding and we love it.
And I would actually never listen to a song
like Uptown Funk by myself.
I'm so proud of it and it's amazing,
but every now and then I'll go,
I will be in a shitty mood and hear a song
that just makes me absolutely joyous like Stevie Wonder,
I Believe When I Fall In Love with you,
it'll be forever or something like that.
And then I'm like, oh now I realized
what people feel like when they tell me
that this song took them out of like a shitty mood,
'cause then you're like right there.
Because you take it for granted,
because that's what we are lucky enough to do
for a living and elevate people
depending on the kind of music you make.
And then every now and then when you end up,
it's like Superman 2 when you're on the other side
of the glass and you get the powers taken away,
and you're like oh I'm that guy now
and I need that song.
It was quite a lovely thing.
It reminds you why you have a job.
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