SOLEDAD: I'M SOLEDAD O'BRIEN.
WELCOME TO "MATTER OF FACT."
ON TUESDAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL
DELIVER HIS FIRST STATE OF THE
UNION ADDRESS.
IT IS ARGUABLY THE MOST
IMPORTANT SPEECH ON ANY
PRESIDENT'S CALENDAR, A CHANCE
TO LOOK BACK AND LOOK AHEAD.
GEORGE WASHINGTON DELIVERED THE
NATION'S FIRST STATE OF T
UNION ADDRESS ON JANUARY 8,
1790.
AMONG HIS PRIORITIES FOR THE NEW
NATION -- THE GROWING
RESPECTABILITY OF THE COUNTRY,
THE IMPORTANCE OF A
WELL-PREPARED MILITARY, AND
IMMIGRATION.
IN WASHINGTON'S DAY, THAT MEANT
ANY FREE WHITE INDIVIDUAL WAS
WELCOME TO AMERICA'S SHORES TO
APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP.
FAST FORWARD MORE THAN 200
YEARS, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL
LIKELY BE ADDRESSING SIMILAR
CHALLENGES.
AND WITH THE CONTROL OF THE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES -- AND
EVEN THE SENATE -- UP FOR GRABS
IN THIS YEAR'S MIDTERM
ELECTIONS, MEMBERS FROM BOTH
PARTIES, AND VOTERS, WILL BE
LISTENING TO THE PRESIDENT'S
EVERY WORD.
AMONG THEM, ARIZONA REPUBLICAN
SENATOR JEFF FLAKE, WHO'S
PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT'S TOUGHEST
REPUBLICAN CRITIC ON CAPITOL
HILL.
SEN. FLAKE IF I HAVE BEEN
CRITICAL, IT IS NOT BECAUSE I
RELISH TO SIZING THE BEHAVIOR OF
A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
IF I HAVE BEEN CRITICAL, IT IS
BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS MY
OBLIGATION TO DO SO.
SOLEDAD: WE WERE AT THE CAPITOL
WITH SENATOR FLAKE.
SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US
HERE.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
LET'S START WITH THE STATE OF
THE UNION ADDRESS.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM
PRESIDENT TRUMP?
AND WHAT DO YOU THINK WE WILL
HEAR FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP?
BUT I WILL LET YOU ANSWER THAT
IN EITHER ORDER.
SEN. FLAKE: WELL, WHAT'S GOOD TO
HEAR IS KIND OF A MESSAGE OF
UNITY.
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE
CONGRESS THERE, AND THE WHOLE
-- CONGRESS THERE, AND IT'S GOOD
TO HAVE A UNIFIED MESSAGE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BEST
ADDRESSES THAT I'VE HEARD IN THE
17 YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS
HAVE BEEN THOSE THAT TRY TO
UNIFY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL SEE THAT.
I HOPE WE DO.
FROM NOW ON, YOU KNOW, ALMOST
EVERYTHING IS 60 VOTES.
WE HAVE TO HAVE BIPARTISAN
BILLS.
AND SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A
UNIFIED MESSAGE.
SOLEDAD: YOU DELIVERED A SPEECH
WHERE YOU ANNOUNCED YOU WOULD
NOT BE SEEKING RE-ELECTION, SO
YOU'LL BE LEAVING AT THE
BEGINNING OF 2019.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE I KNOW --
YOU KNOW THIS -- WHO SAID, WELL,
IF YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED IN T
DIRECTION OF THE COUNTRY, AND
OFTEN VERY CRITICAL OF THE
PRESIDENT HIMSELF, WHY NOT STAY?
WHY NOT STAY AND FIGHT FOR WHAT
YOU THINK IS RIGHT?
SEN. FLAKE: WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S
DIFFICULT FOR A REPUBLICAN LIKE
ME IN A PARTY LIKE THIS RIGHT
NOW.
THIS IS VERY MUCH THE
PRESIDENT'S PARTY.
I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT
I THINK IT'S TAKING US IN A
DIRECTION THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE
TO WIN NATIONAL ELECTIONS FOR
LONG.
YOU CAN GIN PEOPLE UP FOR AN
ELECTION CYCLE TO BRING OUT THE
BASE, BUT OVERALL WE WON'T BE
THERE.
AND I FELT THAT IF I HAD -- IF I
RAN THE KIND OF RACE I WOULD
NEED TO RUN TO WIN IN A
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, IN
PARTICULAR, THEN I WOULDN'T BE
-- WOULDN'T BE MYSELF.
AND I JUST COULDN'T DO IT.
I JUST I COULDN'T DO IT.
I WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT POSITIONS
THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TAKEN.
AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, CONDONE
THE BEHAVIOR THAT THE PRESIDENT
HAS EXHIBITED.
AND I JUST COULDN'T DO THAT.
SOLEDAD: WHAT DO YOU THINK IS
GOING TO BE THE IMPACT TO THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY?
SEN. FLAKE: WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
COUNTRY AND WHERE WE'RE GOING,
YOU LOOK AT YOUNG PEOPLE, AND
THEIR FAILURE TO REGISTER
REPUBLICANS, OR TO EMBRACE THIS
KIND OF VITRIOL.
THEY AREN'T BUYING I
AND WHEN THEY -- WHEN IT COMES
TIME TO VOTE AND THEY DO START
REGISTERING TO VOTE MORE, AND
VOTE MORE IN GREATER NUMBERS,
THEN WE'RE IN DEEP TROUBLE.
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE TRUMP
RALLIES OUT THERE AND YOU THIN
-- I'VE CALLED IT THE SPASMS OF
THE DYING PARTY.
PEOPLE WANT, YOU KNOW, ELECTED
OFFICIALS TO GOVERN AND NOT JUST
CAMPAIGN.
TO ACTUALLY GOVERN.
BUT TO GOVERN, YOU'VE GOT TO
COMPROMISE.
YOU'VE GOT TO REACH ACROSS THE
AISLE.
SOLEDAD: CAN A MODERATE VOICE AS
A REPUBLICAN MAKE IT THROUGH A
PRIMARY AND WIN IN 2020?
SEN. FLAKE: I DOUBT IT.
SOLEDAD: ARE -- YOU SAID YOU
-- ARE YOU SAYING YOU WOULD RUN
AS AN INDEPENDENT?
WOULD YOU RUN FOR THE
PRESIDENCY?
SEN. FLAKE: I'M NOT SAYING.
THAT'S NOT IN MY PLANS.
SOLEDAD: YOU ARE DONE WITH
POLITICS?
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT.
SEN. FLAKE: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT
THAT.
BUT THIS FEVER NEEDS TO COOL A
BIT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE WILL
BE AN INDEPENDENT CHALLENGE,
CERTAINLY.
AND I FRANKLY THINK THAT THERE
WILL BE A REPUBLICAN CHALLENGE
AS WELL, WITH NOT MUCH OF AN
EXPECTATION OF WINNING.
BUT TO REMIND REPUBLICANS OF,
YOU KNOW -- REMIND REPUBLICANS
THAT THERE ARE STILL TRADITIONAL
CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS WHO
BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD BE A
DECENT PARTY AS WELL, AND THAT
THIS KIND OF SMASH-MOUTH ERA
WILL END.
AND I HOPE THAT THAT HAPPENS


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