(Singing) I know my God has made the way for
me. I know my God has made the way for me.
ANNOUNCER: The blessing is a result of God's
great love for you. Today on the Believer's Voice
of Victory, Gloria and Kellie Copeland show that the
heart of the Father is revealed through Jesus
and by the Word. Now here's Gloria.
GLORIA: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
Voice of Victory. Kellie's back with us today, and
she's got some good words for us. I'm telling you, the Word's
the bottom line to victory. This is the victory that overcomes
the world, even our faith, and faith comes by hearing, and
hearing by the Word. So pay attention to it. Listen to these
broadcasts. Read your own Bible. Believe and say what it says.
Everything's going to be all right. I like that, don't you
all? KELLIE: I do, too. GLORIA: A-L-L, "all" right. Hallelujah.
KELLIE: Right. I remember one time when we were--I don't
remember what it was. I was concerned about something, and
this was years ago, and I was talking to Dad about it, and he
goes, "It's going to be all right," like, "Are you nuts?
It's going to be all right." And I don't know, somehow the way he
said it, I was like, "Yeah, yeah." And I got in agreement
with that Word. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: So-- GLORIA: And
it was all right. KELLIE: It was all right. GLORIA: Praise God.
KELLIE: It's always all right. And, you know, when we get in
agreement with the Word, it can be all right-- GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: --because our getting in it, our agreeing with
it is what makes it true for us. GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE:
It's true. The Word is true. GLORIA: That's our part. That's
our part. KELLIE: Our part is to believe. Jesus said that in
His-- GLORIA: God always does His part. KELLIE: --John 6. He
does. GLORIA: Hallelujah. KELLIE: And so I--we were
talking. We started talking yesterday about how we began to
know the Word. How this family got started knowing Jesus was
when we began to know the Word. You met Jesus on one Word,
really one sentence in the Bible, "Seek ye first the
kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these
things--" GLORIA: That one scripture-- KELLIE: "--will be
added unto you." And you read it and you were like, "Oh!" GLORIA:
"I made it." KELLIE: And something--you hooked into it--
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --and it was an open door to
where we sit now. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: Open door to the
family you have. GLORIA: First step. KELLIE: Open door to the
body of healing, healing and--that you have and the
ministry of healing that you've given to others-- GLORIA: Praise
God. KELLIE: --in the Word and the Word that you both have
preached. GLORIA: Our part's simple. God's done the hard
part. KELLIE: He's done all the hard part. And where we mess it
up is when we try to do the hard part. GLORIA: That's right.
KELLIE: And so we--then you went--the Lord took you from
that word several years. Life just began to gradually change,
probably not drastically, but better. And then you ended up in
Tulsa-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --where you learned Mark 11:23.
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: And so we were talking about
that yesterday, and we ended up--we didn't get down to Mark
11:23. We started up earlier. But, you know, Jesus had gone
into the temple the day before He went to turn the money
changers over. And He had gone in and looked around, it said.
He didn't say anything. But how did He know that things weren't
right in the temple? By the Word, because He said, "My
Father's house will be known as a house of prayer, a place of
prayer, not this--what you've made it." So just the same way
Jesus--you know, when Jesus--what is true for us is
true for Jesus. He found Himself in the Word, He found His
calling in the Word, He found what things ought to look like
in the Word, not in what religious people said, but in
the Word, and in the scriptures. So we see Jesus do with the
scriptures to know Himself, to know the Father--we see Him do
that the same way that we should do that. GLORIA: That's right.
That's what we do. KELLIE: And it's through His Word.
There's--in this week and next, we're going to talk about
knowing Him in His Word and knowing Him in worship. You get
a different--how do I say it? You get a different aspect of
Jesus when you worship than when you read the Word. It's
like--it's a--you get a more full picture when you have both
of those. You have a more full picture when you have--when you
experience Jesus through prayer. You have a more full picture
when you experience Him through all the ways we can experience
Him, which I probably don't even know what all those are, but I'm
learning. But just this week and next, focusing on knowing Him
through His Word, knowing Him through worship, you get a
really full picture of who Jesus is, and not just a knowledge of
who He is in your head, but an intimate knowing Him like we
know each other. GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: And it goes even deeper
than even you and I can know each other because, though I see
the fruit of what's in your heart, I don't know your heart
exactly, but He knows our heart inside and out. GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: And He wants us to know His heart inside and
out. And so, really, ultimately--and I probably will
say something similar to this these next two weeks several
times--ultimately, Jesus is here so that we can know what's
inside the Father's heart because there's no way to know
what's inside the Father's heart other than going through Jesus.
And you know, really, I don't even--I'm not even sure that
what's inside the Father's heart is as fully expressed in the
Word of God as we will know when we get so close in and intimate
to Him that we know Him ourselves, the Father. But
Jesus--everything Jesus is doing is pointing us to the Father.
And so everything the Word does points us to Jesus, Who points
us to the Father. It's like the house that Jack built, you know?
Ha. It's a layer upon layer upon layer. For you guys, the layer
started with, "Seek ye first the kingdom of God." GLORIA: Mm-hmm.
KELLIE: Then-- GLORIA: That's where we were. KELLIE: That's--I
mean, that you had to have-- GLORIA: We needed things.
KELLIE: --an open door to know Jesus, and that was it. And I
love that our needs--God will use our physical needs to open
the door to Jesus. But we are never to try to get our physical
needs met any other way but through Jesus. Like, He
is--having those physical needs met like you experienced, it
didn't come apart from Jesus. It came through Jesus your needs
were met. And that's how He wants us to be. He doesn't want
us to focus on the need. He wants us to focus on Him,
because when we focus on need, we get all messed up. We get all
off track, and it doesn't work anything. GLORIA: We focus on
what the Word says and then we get everything straight. KELLIE:
Right. And so what the Word says is, though, pointing us to
Jesus. GLORIA: Of course. KELLIE: And so here He says--of
course, He went into the temple, knocked over the money changers'
tables. He's--what is He doing? He is setting His Father's
temple right. He's getting it back to what it should be, a
house of prayer for all nations. It says, "But you've turned it
into a den of thieves. When the leading priests and teachers of
religious law heard what Jesus had done, they began planning to
kill Him--how to kill Him. But they were afraid of Him--"
GLORIA: So it shows you they didn't have a very good
attitude. KELLIE: They're not very smart "--because the people
were so amazed at His teaching. That evening Jesus and His
disciples left the city." Oh, I skipped the whole part where He
cursed the fig tree, didn't I? Verse 12, "The next morning as
they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. He noticed a fig
tree in full leaf a little way off, so he went over to see if
he could find any figs. But there were only leaves because
it was too early in the season for fruit. Then Jesus said to
the tree--" or some translation says, "Jesus answered the tree."
So that tree, you could say that circumstance, was talking to
Him. GLORIA: That's right, and He talked to it. KELLIE: And He
talked to the circumstances. And, you know, He did not curse
that tree. Actually, in the Word, Peter's the one that said
He cursed it. He said, "The tree you cursed has withered and
died." All Jesus said is, "May no one ever eat your fruit
again." He could--that tree could have had fruit. GLORIA:
Well, He didn't do it any good. KELLIE: He didn't do it any
good. But, you know, that tree could have had fruit and no one
ever eat it. But all Jesus said was--that tree answered Him and
Jesus spoke back. Our circumstances talk to us.
GLORIA: And we talk back. KELLIE: I mean, that tree spoke
to Him, and He answered back. When our circumstances talk to
us-- GLORIA: Yeah, we talk back. KELLIE: --we know this pattern.
We know what to do because we know Jesus here. And I think
when you begin to read deeper into it, to know Jesus, you
begin to realize things more about Jesus in here than just a
rule or a regulation. When you see the heart of Jesus behind
something, His heart was here and, "No tree talking to me, I'm
answering back." That gives us the courage and the ability and
the understanding to answer back to things that try to talk to
us. GLORIA: Well, remember that what Jesus was doing there was
teaching just like we are. KELLIE: He was teaching. GLORIA:
He was teaching the people how things work. KELLIE: Yeah.
GLORIA: And they got it and did it. It worked for them. KELLIE:
And, Mom, that's a really good point. But--and, actually,
you've kind of jumped over several--you know, several days'
worth of stuff just to say He was here to teach us. He was
here to teach the disciples. GLORIA: Lead us into all truth,
yeah. KELLIE: And, actually, you have to remember--you know, I
read the Word, and I have the benefit of having read all this
Word. I know more than the disciples did. Sometimes we
don't stop and think about-- GLORIA: Well, they were starting
out. KELLIE: --that we know more literally than the disciples
did. They didn't know what was coming ahead. We know. I think
it's an interesting thing to read the Word like you--like you
said in your book, in "Walk With God," you talked about reading
it like you had never heard it before. GLORIA: Hmm-mm. KELLIE:
Reading it with, you know, just a keen sense of desire to know
Jesus, you'll get more out of it. So anyway, He-- GLORIA:
Well, after Jesus went to the cross, we were in a different
place because He bore the curse, and now all of the good things
belong to us. He hadn't borne the curse-- KELLIE: No. GLORIA:
--before He went to the cross. KELLIE: And He wasn't in them.
He came to deliver the Word to them and go to the cross so that
He could be in them. GLORIA: And every bad thing is under the
curse, lack, sickness, all kinds--all kinds of poverty,
everything bad. If you look up the curse in Deuteronomy 28, you
will not be able to find any bad thing that you haven't already
been delivered from through Jesus taking the curse for you,
for you, for you. He took it for us so that we could be free. Now
it's up to us to find out about how to be free, what the Word
says to receive it, believe it, do it, act on it, because I
remember--I know the Lord loved us just as much before we made
Jesus the Lord of our lives, but He couldn't bless us because we
didn't know anything. We weren't living after the Word of God. We
didn't know to live after the Word of God. But after we got
born again and we began to sit under Brother Hagin, who taught
us how to obey the Word in the truth, everything began to
change. And it's still changed, and we're blessed, and you can
be blessed. All we had to do was find out what the Word says and
do--agree with it; say it, believe it, take it. It's a good
way. It's a good thing. Hallelujah. And you were raised
that way. But, of course, Ken and I were not raised that way.
He and his parents were good people. They knew the Lord, but
they didn't understand about faith until after we were--Ken
was grown. And even after we were married, we began to learn
about faith from Kenneth Hagin, and that changed everything.
Glory to God. KELLIE: And in that, Mom, just to stop and
think just a minute, why did He even do all that? Why is all the
sickness and lack and disease and all that under the curse of
the law? Why has God declared, "That's not okay"? That's what
the curse of the law is. It's like, "This stuff is not for
you." GLORIA: Every sickness, every disease is under the
curse. KELLIE: It's because He loves us. So people get so
focused on, you know, "I'm trying to walk with God. I'm
trying to obey, but it's just too hard." Take your mind off of
that and put it onto the fact that the very reason He said
not--He laid out things that we should do and not do-- GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: --is not because He wanted us to keep a
bunch of rules, it's because He loved us. GLORIA: Sure. KELLIE:
And He wants us to walk in the blessed side of truth. The curse
is a truth. It's the truth. GLORIA: It's true, it's there.
KELLIE: It's true, and it is the truth in the sense that, if you
do these things, this is the result. GLORIA: Now, let's think
about--think about the garden. This is probably off our
subject, but-- KELLIE: Nah. GLORIA: We don't care. KELLIE:
We're flowing. GLORIA: There was--Adam and Eve were in the
garden. They had one do-not, "Do not eat of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil." KELLIE: That was-- GLORIA: Had
they obeyed God and not eaten of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil, they'd never have known the curse. They chose the
curse when they chose to disobey God. And the curse came on them,
and they fell. And now they're a spirit that--whose life is not
darkness, and the--they have to deal with the curse. And there
was no remedy for that until there was a Savior that came.
And what did the Scripture say? He bore the curse for us. So
Jesus Himself came in the flesh and bore the whole curse in His
own body on the tree, or on the cross, for me, for you--for you.
And we can be free. He made us free from the curse. Isn't that
great? Think about it. Now, all these years, that's held true
with generation after generation. We were made free.
We were made free. We were made free. All we have to do is
receive it and we did. We personally did, and other
people, thousands and thousands, have done that. And if you've
never made Jesus the Lord of your life, then you haven't
accepted the freedom that really belongs to you through Jesus
Christ. Just receive Him and say, "Jesus, I receive you as my
Lord and Savior." Say what I said. I said, "Take my life and
do something with it." I knew nothing much at all about the
Scripture, but I knew that much. And that changed everything in
my life. Everything. KELLIE: And you fell in love with Him.
GLORIA: Oh, of course. And I love--I found out about the
truth, and I love the truth, and I love the Word. And the more I
read, the freer I got, and I received it. Hallelujah. KELLIE:
And what you found out that day was-- GLORIA: And I said I would
never be a preacher's wife. Well, I wouldn't have been in
the normal--in the natural, but it slipped up on me. You know
what I mean? KELLIE: He just--that He--He started you at
the very beginning. We--there is a starting place. I like the way
you said it here. I'm going to find this here. And we will get
through Mark 11 at some point. GLORIA: Sometime we're going to
teach it. KELLIE: But this is really good. This is your book,
"Walk With God." We're giving this away. "You know this is a
growing process. Growing spiritually is like growing
physically." And you go on to talk about how, you know, your
mother doesn't expect you to walk the second that you're
born. "But spiritual things are the same way. You have to walk
with God one day at a time--" GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE:
"--starting where you are today." He doesn't expect you to
start where they are or where I am or where anybody else is.
GLORIA: You have to grow up. KELLIE: You have to grow.
However, because there are people like you guys that have
expounded on the Word and made it so easy, we give--we even
give it away. Because of that, you can grow quicker. GLORIA:
Yeah. KELLIE: "But God doesn't expect you to start anywhere but
the beginning. You have to walk with God one day at a time
starting where you are today. You cannot start where someone
else is." GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: "So don't ever judge
yourself by somebody else's walk. And, conversely, don't
ever judge somebody else by your walk. They're where they are.
You must start where you are, but you have to start. You will
never grow if you do not give God your time, if you do not
spend time in the Word--" GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE:
"--and in prayer. If you do not listen to your spirit, you will
never grow. You have to do certain things to grow. All God
asks of you is that you begin where you are today." It's--it's
so simple. GLORIA: It's a wonderful walk when you--
KELLIE: It's a wonderful walk. GLORIA: --when you get under the
teaching of the Word of God. You go from one blessing to the
next, one freedom to the next. KELLIE: And, really, the same
way this fruit tree--well, let me--let me just read this real
quick. It says, "When they passed by it again, they
noticed--the disciples noticed it had withered from the roots
up. Peter remembered what Jesus had said to the tree on the
previous day and said, 'Look, Rabbi! The fig tree you cursed
has withered and died!' Then Jesus said to the disciples,
'Have faith in God.'" What a simple thing. What a simple--
GLORIA: Believe in God. KELLIE: --way to live. He's saying,
"Look at me. Look at how I did that." Have faith in God. You
want to do that? Have faith in God. You want your words to
matter? Use God's words. Have faith in God. And when you
just--if you look at this verse--I'm going to flip it
around a little bit. The same way that that tree dried up
because God--Jesus spoke to it with power and told it, "No man
will eat fruit of you again--fruit of you again
forever." He spoke that over that tree. Well, He has spoken
other things over us-- GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --that are
good, not to dry up. He's spoken the blessing. Everything in here
that's for us that's blessing He's spoken for us, but it
operates the same way. GLORIA: "Whosoever shall say." KELLIE:
This-- GLORIA: That's how you get it. KELLIE: That's how you
get it. GLORIA: That's how you manifest it. KELLIE: And Jesus
really is describing what He did to make the roots dry up. But He
also spoke good things over us about--that from the root up,
from the root out, our lives are blessed when we take what He
said and agree with it. Now, He's not undoing any of this to
us apart from us wanting it and receiving it. GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: So what we're doing when we say it, is we're
laying hold of the love that He has for us when He says, "You're
blessed," the love He has for us when He says, "You're healed,
your needs are met." When the Word says those things, "No
lack," all the blessings in Deuteronomy 28, when He speaks
those and we lay hold of them and we say them, then it's Him
saying them. It's the Word saying them. He's like, "That's
all you've got to do. Have faith in God." You just say--and He
tells us the process. GLORIA: Believe and say. KELLIE: You can
say to this mountain, "Be lifted up and thrown into the sea," and
it will happen. You can say to debt, "Be lifted up and thrown
into the sea," and it will happen. Sickness, "By his
stripes, I am healed," and it will happen. GLORIA: But the
key, now, you've got to have a--you've got to have Mark 11:22
that says, "Have faith in God." KELLIE: Really believe it will
happen. Yes. Have faith in God. GLORIA: How do you get to where
you believe that? By putting the Word of God where God gives it
to you, says it to you, in your eyes and your ears and it gets
down in your heart, and you bring it back out your mouth and
you take it. KELLIE: Yeah. GLORIA: Healing's mine. Healing
belongs to me. Jesus Himself--I have it in Isaiah that He
Himself bore my sicknesses and carried my diseases. By His
stripes, I was healed. That's mine, Kellie. KELLIE: I take it,
like you say. GLORIA: I'm healed. We take it. KELLIE: We
take it. GLORIA: Kellie and I'll be right back.
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