DAVID BARTON: Into the pulpit you've taken the platforms and
said, "Let's see what they both say." GEORGE PEARSONS: Right.
DAVID: Because God talks about these issues, so let's see what
God says and where God comes down on these issues. And if God
comes down and this platform takes an opposite position, how
can you plant your seed in something that's
contrary to what God's going to bless?
GEORGE: You can't. DAVID: You can't.
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GEORGE: This is Pastor George Pearsons. We
welcome you. We're so glad that you're here on this very special
Believer's Voice of Victory edition called "Faith for Our
Nation." We're getting ready for the midterm elections, and
everyone who can vote will vote. Amen? BUDDY: Amen. GEORGE: Amen.
We are here with Buddy Pilgrim who is a board member with
Kenneth Copeland Ministries, very much involved in the
political realm, the business realm; and, of course, our
guest, David Barton, a president of WallBuilders. David, thank
you for being here with us. DAVID: My pleasure. GEORGE: And
yesterday, we were talking about the--you were talking about the
Ten Commandments and what we're looking for in the top issues of
what to look for when voting. Jump into that, David. It's
outstanding. DAVID: Yeah. What happens is, in the political
realm--and first off, just to recap yesterday-- GEORGE: Yeah.
DAVID: --for a Christian, you do not have a right to vote, you
have a duty to vote. GEORGE: Yep. DAVID: So it's not optional
for you. GEORGE: Right. DAVID: You will answer to God for what
you do with your vote. It is something God gave you. As
Bishop Butler covered a month ago, it's a seed God's given
you. You're going to plant it somewhere. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID:
And you better plant it with the right candidate, the right
person. So how do you determine the right candidate? Well, God
has dealt with every single issue a nation will face. 613
laws He gave Israel. But He said, "I've got my top 10. And
here's--here's the most important stuff to Me." GEORGE:
Yeah. DAVID: While economics is--and I don't mean me. I'm
saying God's saying, "Here's what's important to Me." GEORGE:
Sure, sure. DAVID: So while economics and foreign affairs
and immigration is important, religious acknowledgment is
really important. "I am the Lord thy God." First thing you do is
acknowledge God first. So if you've got a secular-minded
person that says, "Oh, no, we have separation of church and
state, and you can't say, 'God,' in public, and pastors shouldn't
be talking about stuff from the pulpit," you've got problems
with that candidate. Right there off the top, you violated number
one. Number one is you acknowledge God. And by the way,
that is religious conscience as well, because acknowledging God
means I have the right to live out what I believe God is
telling me to do-- GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: --in the public arena.
GEORGE: The right of conscience. DAVID: And so the right of
conscience. And if my conscience--if I'm Little
Sisters of the Poor, if I'm Hobby Lobby, and my conscience
says I will not help pay-- GEORGE: Yes, right. DAVID: --for
somebody's abortion-- GEORGE: Right. DAVID: --that's the way I
acknowledge God. GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: Which is--which is a very
different thing than trying to force your beliefs on somebody
else. DAVID: You bet it is. BUDDY: In fact, if you're a
Christian and we're forcing you to pay for abortion, that is--if
I were trying to do that, that would be me forcing my beliefs
upon you, but you're just trying to have the freedom to express
your beliefs. DAVID: I just want the freedom to say, "No." BUDDY:
That's right. DAVID: I want the freedom to say, "No." BUDDY:
It's not forcing your beliefs on someone else. DAVID: And Thomas
Jefferson, years ago--in the state of Virginia, they
had--they were so into being Christian that they forced every
single citizen to pay for Christian religion in the state.
They weren't opposed to that. But you had Baptist, you had
Methodist, you had Presbyterians. But everyone was
forced to pay the Anglican religion in the state. And so
Thomas Jefferson says, "To force a man to pay for that is sinful
and tyrannical." Now, if he wants to pay the Presbyterian
church, let him. But you're forcing him to pay a church he
doesn't go to and doesn't--that's it. Don't
make--don't force me to pay for your abortion. If you want an
abortion, I'm opposed to it, I'm going to fight it, but don't
make me pay for it, because I believe, before God, that that's
me participating in taking a human life. GEORGE: Right.
DAVID: And same thing, if I'm Jack Phillips, the baker, don't
force me to use my skills to make a cake for a homosexual
wedding. If you want to buy one of my cakes for a homosexual
wedding, but don't force me to participate. See, that's--that
all goes back to this. So if you get a candidate that says, "Oh,
no, no, you--that's discrimination," no, it's not.
It's me answering to God because I will stand before God. And you
don't answer to God for me. I answer--and we--we know that
conscience, in many ways, has got to be the same on what God
speaks about. But in many ways, our consciences are-- GEORGE:
Yeah. DAVID: --different. And so, for example, in I
Corinthians 8, Paul says, "For me, I don't have any trouble
eating meat offered to idols because I know that idols are
just a bunch of dead wood and dead stones." He said, "But
there's others that they see that idol, and they say, "Oh,
man, that's a false god, and I can't eat my meat offer--" and
Paul said, "It doesn't bother me because I know that that--" He
said, "But whatever your conscience is, do not violate
your conscience." We're told, in I Timothy, that if you sear your
conscience, you've shipwrecked your faith. And so there are
different denominations. And that's why Quaker, their
conscience is, "I cannot join the military. I cannot shed
blood." Other guys are going to say, "Hey, if it's in a just
war, Bible says it's okay." That's fine. If your conscience
says you can't, you go with your conscience. And that's not my
personal wishes. Conscience is based on, "I believe I will
answer to God for what I do." GEORGE: Answer to God. DAVID:
"My conscience is, I don't like paying for gas $4 a gallon."
That's not conscience, that's your preference. Conscience is
what you answer to God for. "I believe that God has made very
clear to me that I cannot do this. And if I do, I'm sinning
against God," that's what you don't mess with. GEORGE: Right.
DAVID: So the--you know, that's the first thing you look for.
BUDDY: Now, understanding those things is why it's so important
for Christians to be engaged in these elections. You gave some
statistics yesterday about the participation in the various
elections and particularly the off-year elections. GEORGE:
Right. BUDDY: And in round numbers, about a fourth of the
population of the United States citizenry is--will vote in an
off-year election like we're having this year. DAVID: Yeah,
so three--three months from now when we have the election in
November, we'll expect probably--if it's statistically
right, one out of four Americans is all that will vote in that
election. BUDDY: That's right. So if we as Christians stay more
engaged than the average person--and we should because we
have a duty to God to be engaged, and if you're not a
Christian, your first duty to God is to get to know Him. It's
not to--it's not to obey all the principles. GEORGE: That's
right. BUDDY: So if you don't know Him, all those things don't
apply to you. If you do know Him, then these do apply to us.
And we have this duty, as you say, to get involved, to vote,
to vote His Word, to vote His principles. And pastors have a
duty to tell their churches about that as well. DAVID:
That's right. That's right. BUDDY: That's one of the things
I'd like for you to speak about for just a minute is--I know
that you spend--you spend more time than literally any other
person I know, not figuratively speaking, literally speaking,
more than any person that I know talking to pastors all around
this country to help them understand. But there may be
some pastors listening today or some members of the church whose
pastor doesn't understand not only his duty but his right as a
pastor, his responsibility as a pastor to teach this to his
congregation. DAVID: Yeah. Let me address the mentality that's
out there because I--George Barna is a very good friend,
George Barna, huge national pollster. GEORGE: Yeah, yeah.
DAVID: He got a start in political polling. We have used
him for political polling. But he really is a Christian guy
dedicated to seeing what the Christians think and how
Christians respond and trying to get the Church moving into the
right direction. GEORGE: Right, right. DAVID: So, there's
384,000 churches in America. He calls between 5- and 600
churches every day, polling 5- to 600 every day. And he starts
by asking six basic questions. These are six questions that are
non-negotiables of the Christian faith. Number one, do you
believe that Jesus lived a sinless life? If you don't, you
can't be saved. It's--Jesus has got to be the sinless sacrifice
otherwise it doesn't work. Number two, do you believe the
Bible is accurate in its teachings? Well, if it's not,
you can't trust anything in there. Number three, do you
believe there is absolute moral truth? things like this. GEORGE:
Mm-hmm. DAVID: You know, is this God's ten suggestions or Ten
Commandments? GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: So go through six
questions really simple like that. Does God get involved in
the world today? Is Satan a real or an imaginary being? So six
easy questions. Do you know that 72 percent of churches in
America today say they do not agree with those six teachings?
So you're looking at 72 percent of churches that do not agree
with the most basic elements of the Bible. That leaves you 28
percent that do. Well, that's a hundred thousand churches.
That'll fix any nation. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: A hundred thousand
churches, that's a piece of cake. So, I mean, if I could
speak to a church a day for a hundred thousand churches that
they're not--all I'm looking at is years and years and years of
speaking to churches. I mean, that's-- GEORGE: Right, right.
DAVID: --many churches. So you take that and say, all right,
that's good. Let's see how these guys think. So then Barna says,
"Okay, I'm going to focus on the 28 percent." So he calls 5- to
600 every day. And this has been going on for months. And in
talking to that group of 5- to 600 every day, he says, "Do you
believe the Bible speaks to every issue of life?" because
these are already pastors who say they agree with the Bible.
GEORGE: Right. DAVID: And he said, "For example--" Then he
gives 14 different issues. Do you think the Bible talks about
immigration? Does the Bible talk about marriage? Does the Bible
talk about abortion? Does the Bible talk about education? Does
the Bible talk about economics? GEORGE: Right. DAVID: He goes
through the 14-- GEORGE: 14. DAVID: And depending on which
one of those 14 you choose, between 91 and 97 percent of
pastors say the Bible definitely addresses that issue. You're
going, "Hallelujah." GEORGE: Mm-hmm. DAVID: "We've got 28
percent of pastors who understand the Bible addresses
all the things we face today. That is--that is great. 91 to 97
percent." Here is the next question he asked. He said, "All
right, you know the Bible addresses that. So have you ever
addressed that from the pulpit, or will you address that from
the pulpit?" And at that point, 90 percent of pastors say, "No
way. That's a political issue. I will not deal with political
issues in the pulpit." Time out. GEORGE: Wow. DAVID: You just
told us it was a biblical issue. What do you mean it's a
political issue? See, what's happened is we're letting the
government tell us what is political and what's not when
the Bible already tells us. If it's--I'll point out every one
of those 14 issues was there 2,500 years ago. America's only
been here 400 years. It was here before anything was political.
GEORGE: Right. DAVID: So it's a biblical issue long before it's
political. But we got this compartmentalization mentality
in the Church that says, "Oh, that's secular stuff. I deal
with salvation." GEORGE: Right, right. DAVID: No. You deal with
taking care of God's stuff. We talked about that yesterday. God
made us to tend his garden, to--to take the earth, to take
dominion over every aspect. He said, "Take care of My stuff."
And so we have got to get pastors thinking differently.
And that's what we do. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: And so when you
look in the Bible, you take any of God's noted ministers--take
Elijah. Elijah gets on top of Ahab and Jezebel and says,
"Okay, you've suborned perjury in the courts, what you did with
Naboth. And by the way, that's a bad use of eminent domain. And
on top of that, you're doing religious persecution with all
of God's--" I mean, they go all these specific policies that
Ahab and Jezebel are going through. GEORGE: Right, right.
DAVID: And then you get Elijah saying, "Hey, I need to help you
on some military issues because you're not understanding what
the Syrians are trying to do." And you look at what God's
ministers did, they were engaged in every aspect of public policy
all along the way. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: Their whole job was to
speak to the public arena. BUDDY: So these pastors
say--okay, they agree that the Bible addresses all those
issues, but they don't want to preach about them because
they're political. That's this false concept that you can
segment your life into spiritual things and political things.
DAVID: Mm-hmm. BUDDY: I dealt with that same issue. I
mentioned it on the broadcast we had with Mr. Butler a few weeks
ago, that I knew a man one time who said to me, when I was
talking about praying for a business issue, he said, "God
don't care about the business side of your life. God cares
about the spiritual side of your life." GEORGE: Mm. BUDDY: Well,
that means it would be okay to have a spiritual side and a
business side, a spiritual side and a political side, spiritual
side and a family relationship side. GEORGE: Right. Right,
right. BUDDY: And you can't do that. It's--you can't do it in
those other areas, and we can't do it in the political arena as
well because all of those affect every aspect-- DAVID: Every
aspect. BUDDY: --of our life. DAVID: I'm in Congress all the
time. I just got back just last night from being with dozens of
congressmen and senators. And we were working on a bunch of
issues. And I can point to two U.S. senators that we've dealt
with over the years that one of them is just unabashedly open
about relationship with Jesus Christ. Asked to pray in a
public meeting, will always pray in Jesus' name. Doesn't care who
gets offended. He's not going to back down at all. Another one of
these senators, very open about, "Man, look what was in the
Scripture today. And I got to share Jesus with this guard, and
I got to share Jesus--" just very open. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID:
And they both vote for homosexual marriage. They both
vote for partial birth abortions. They both vote
against public religious acknowledgments of God. You're
going, "Guys--" GEORGE: What? Yeah. DAVID: "--how do you do--"
They said-- GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: --"Well, here's my faith, but
here's my job." Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, your
faith has to drive all the way through every aspect of your
life. GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: And so compartmentalizing your faith is
unacceptable to God. He will not accept that excuse. He expects
you to live by His standards in everything you do. And so that's
part of what these pastors are doing, is picking and choosing
where to apply God's Word. And you can't do that. BUDDY: No. It
would be like saying, "It's not okay for me to lie in my
personal life, but it's okay for me to lie--" DAVID: That's
right. BUDDY: "--on the job." DAVID: You can't do that. BUDDY:
I mean, I deal with that in the teachings that I do in business
all the time. GEORGE: Yes, exactly. BUDDY: You know, well,
if I didn't separate these things out, it's okay to cheat
somebody at work as long as I don't cheat somebody in my
personal life. DAVID: Well, that's exactly it, because
business, "Well, it's my business." The same with job
here. Wait a minute. God says, "Don't shed innocent blood."
Senator says, "Well, I didn't kill anybody." "But you voted
for abortion." "Yeah, but that's my job." No, no, no. You're
shedding innocent blood. You may not have been the one to put the
knife there, but you're the one who told the doctor to put the
knife there. And you can't do that. I mean, you just can't do
that. And so that aspect, you cannot compartmentalize. So what
we're facing this election is the tendency for Americans
particularly to compartmentalize what they do in politics--
GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: --and say, "Oh, party. I'm going with the
party." No. What you've got to go with is--and we talked about
it yesterday--God's top 10 issues. And there's going to be
40 or 50 issues in this election. What you're looking at
is top 10 now. We're told, in Proverbs 14:34, that
righteousness exalts a nation. And that's public policy. When
you have the right kind of public policy, God will exalt a
nation even if you get the wrong kind of leaders. And I say that
because you can have a Nebuchadnezzar who is not God's
man--and God made real--and Cyrus, it said Cyrus did not
know God. GEORGE: Exactly. DAVID: But he took steps that
God blessed. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: So you can have a leader
whose moral character is flawed that does things that God will
absolutely bless. And the tendency Americans have is they
can compare--they--they confute the leader with the policy. And
I will say, you know, Trump, Stormy Daniels, all the scandal
that's been going, what he did with foreign law-- GEORGE: Yeah.
DAVID: --aren't fine. That's really bad and reprehensible.
BUDDY: Yeah. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: But what he has done with
Israel will cause God to bless the nation. BUDDY: Yeah. GEORGE:
Yes. DAVID: What he has done with pro-life will cause God to
bless the nation. BUDDY: Yes. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. DAVID: What he
has done with the righteous judges will cause God to
bless--I'm not talk--I'm not endorsing his private life. I'm
telling you, God will use flawed people to do the right things.
And what you want to look at is policy and not-- GEORGE: Yeah.
DAVID: --character on those individuals. Not that we ignore
character. We don't ignore the character or condone it. But
when you have a choice of leaders, what you do is look at
their positions. BUDDY: And in the--in the--the November
election in particular, not necessarily in the primaries
where you may have had four or five different-- DAVID: That's
right, that's right. BUDDY: --candidates running for an
office-- DAVID: That's right. BUDDY: --but in the general
elections, whether it's a presidential election or an
off-year election, it is, by and large--or it is essentially a
binary choice. There may be a Libertarian candidate running or
a Green candidate or blue candidate or a Pink--Code Pink
candidate running. But by and large, the choice in terms of
who's going to win is going to be between two people. DAVID:
Binary choice, there's only two-- BUDDY: It's a binary
choice. DAVID: --two people, that's right. BUDDY: And even if
you don't like the behavior of either one of the two, the issue
is--or of both of the two, you need to look at where they stand
on the issues. DAVID: And, you know, there's no question that
they will try to make Trump the ballot this time. They're voting
against Trump and how bad his character is, and you can't vote
for that. And Christians will say, "I can't vote for that
guy." You're not. You're voting for things like judges. And by
the way, Isaiah 1:26 says the righteousness of a land is
determined by the judges in the land. Buddy, you mentioned
yesterday, taking the Ten Commandments down off that
Kentucky school wall, and this is the--this is the Supreme
Court case of 1980, Stone v. Graham, was done by judges.
We've never had a legislature say kids can't see the Ten
Commandments. We've had judges say that. It was legislatures
who gave us abortion on demand. It was judges. GEORGE: Man,
judges. DAVID: It was not legislatures who gave us gay
marriage, it was judges. BUDDY: Yeah. DAVID: It was not
legislatures who told us the rights of conscience don't
matter, it was judges. And so Isaiah 1:26, God says the judges
in your land determine the righteousness of your land. So I
will tell you that from my standpoint, when I look at
"righteousness exalts a nation," when I look at any federal
election, the first thing I look at is what kind of judges will
you give me-- GEORGE: Wow. DAVID: --because judges will
determine the issues of religious expression, the issues
of marriage, and the issues of abortion. That's determined by
judges more than legislators. GEORGE: Right, right. DAVID: So
as I look at judges, I will say, "You know what? We have 165
federal judicial vacancies on the court right now. Somebody's
going to fill that, and it's going to be U.S. senators with
President Trump." I will tell you that President Trump, so
far--and he's made about 80 nominations to the federal
courts. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. DAVID: I have not found a single
nomination that I would object to. And I have a really high
standard-- GEORGE: Yeah, you do. DAVID: --as a Christian and a
Constitution-- GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: I will say a bunch of the
guys that I have worked with for years are now sitting on the
court that Trump has put in there. I'm going, "Wow. Don't
know what his private life--" Well, I do know what his private
life was like. But we-- BUDDY: It hadn't been private enough.
DAVID: That's right. I'll also point out that's years--that's
years ago. What we know in recent years is not the same
thing. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: And so if we want to say he's had a
change, that's great, because we don't know that--anything going
on now--they're all pointing backwards. But nonetheless, it
doesn't change the fact that he's pointing--appointing judges
that will bring righteousness to the land. GEORGE: Yes. DAVID:
And I'm going to make sure that we keep getting those kind of
judges which makes sure--I've got to keep the Senate
with--with guys that'll do that. And so whoever's running, that's
what you want. BUDDY: When you look at that binary choice in
this fall's election, you're going to have to decide, am I
going to pick a candidate who's going to continue to help him
put those kind of judges in place or one that's going to
oppose it? And there aren't enough pastors around the
country--one of the things I appreciate so much about Pastor
George is he's bold to preach these things from the pulpit.
DAVID: Oh, he's squishy. BUDDY: I mean, this-- DAVID: George
is-- GEORGE: (Laughs) DAVID: That's why we're doing this
program, right? Yeah, okay. GEORGE: Exactly. That's right.
BUDDY: He takes time from the pulpit to teach the difference
in the two platforms. It's one of the things I appreciate
about-- DAVID: That's right. BUDDY: --Brother Copeland.
There's so many people I've met over the years that say, "I
would like to have the blessings in my life and the success in my
life--" DAVID: Yep. BUDDY: "--the overall prosperity in
every way in my life that the Copelands have in their life."
DAVID: Yep. BUDDY: And one of the things I know about the
Copelands is they apply all of the Word of God to all of their
life. They--I--the first time I ever met Kenneth Copeland face
to face was at a political event. GEORGE: Mm-hmm. BUDDY:
I'm not going to tell you what it was or when it was or any of
that. GEORGE: It's a great story. BUDDY: But the point I'm
making about that-- GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY: --is this man
who--who you see--and you say, "Boy, I'd love to have all those
blessings like that in my life," he lives that out even-- DAVID:
That's right. That's right. BUDDY: --in that side of his
life as well. And--and George does it in what he preaches from
the pulpit. And, George, that's something I so much respect
about you. And you set an example for other pastors and
other churches all across the country. Even this broadcast
that--that you've arranged here today sets the standards for
others. DAVID: Well, I mean, you've taken the pulpit--into
the pulpit, you've taken the platforms-- GEORGE: Right.
DAVID: --and said, "Let's see what they both say." GEORGE:
Right. DAVID: Because God talks about these issues. GEORGE:
Yeah. DAVID: So let's see what God says and where God comes
down on these issues. And if God comes down and the platform
takes an opposite position, how can you plant your seed in
something that's contrary to what God's going to bless?
GEORGE: You can't. DAVID: You can't. You can't. And that's
really where we are this election. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID:
Throw the parties out the door, throw the personalities out the
door. GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: Find the issues. GEORGE: Yeah. BUDDY:
Talk--I think you should talk about that, George, because
you're so good at articulating how to--how to discern these
issues. You don't tell people how to vote, you tell people how
to go to the Word-- DAVID: That's right. BUDDY: --and
measure the issues. Talk about-- GEORGE: Yeah. I just did that
with the--the platforms. It was a simple exercise, and that was
to take both platforms and look at what the Word of God says.
And I presented--week after week, I did that with abortion,
I did that with Israel, I did it with religious freedom, and just
bringing to our congregation what the Word of God says about
these. And it's--it's obvious that there's one--there's one
political party that leans more towards that than others. And
that's why I'm so thankful that your name is listed in the
Republican platform because of so many thing--I mean, you
brought out so many--how many--how many of those points
you were telling me some time ago? DAVID: On the platform?
GEORGE: On the platform, yeah. DAVID: They tell me I have
the--the record for the most amendments to a party platform
ever. GEORGE: There you go. DAVID: Because four years ago
when we did it, I had 130 amendments. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID:
And they accepted 129. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: This platform, I
had 70 amendments, and they accepted all 70 of those
amendments. BUDDY: Wow. Ha-ha-ha. DAVID: So that
platform--because where I am-- GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: Look, God's
not going to ask me if I'm a Republican or a Democrat when I
get to heaven. GEORGE: That's right. DAVID: God's going to ask
me, "Where did you stand on Israel? Where did you stand on
judges? Where did you stand on life, on marriage?" And so that
is a party that is friendly to my values that I can get in and
do something with. GEORGE: Right. Right. DAVID: I hope the
Democrats some day get to the point where we can have a fight
over who has the most Christian candidates. GEORGE: There you
go. (Laughs) DAVID: But at this point, that's not--that's not
the situation. GEORGE: Yep. DAVID: At this point, it was
just a couple platforms ago in their convention, they took the
word "God" all the way out of their platform. You could not
find the word "God" in their platform. BUDDY: That's right.
DAVID: You know, there's a YouTube of them trying to put
"God" back in and all the booing that happened and-- BUDDY: Yeah.
GEORGE: Yep. DAVID: You look how many times we put "God" in that
platform, we-- GEORGE: I counted it. DAVID: We openly acknowledge
God. GEORGE: I did. I did. DAVID: And, you know, so, again,
I work within the Republican party because it's friendly to
my values, which, interestingly enough, right now in America,
the best indication of whether someone will vote Democrat or
Republican is how often they go to church. And that blows
pollsters away, and that-- GEORGE: That's really-- DAVID:
--blows political people away. GEORGE: Wow. DAVID: Because if
you are frequent a church and if you know what God's Word says
about issues-- GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: --you find that to be
very friendly. And you find the--you know, told you it's
just in Congress. We had a vote-- GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: We
had a vote just a few weeks ago in Congress where they said--and
I know a girl I'm about to describe. They were trying to do
an abortion, and she was born before they finished the
abortion. GEORGE: Whew. DAVID: So she now no longer has an arm.
They cut off the arm trying to do the abortion. GEORGE: Wow.
DAVID: But the question is, if you're trying to abort a baby, a
late-term abortion, partial birth abortion, and they're born
before you abort it, do you go ahead and kill them now that
they're on the table, or do you let them live once they're
outside the womb? GEORGE: Wow. DAVID: And we had that vote in
Congress. 100 percent of Republicans say, "No, you
protect that life once it's on the table." GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID:
Only six Democrats said, "Protect the life." The
other--the others, all but six, 98 percent of the Democrats
said, "No, go ahead and kill the baby once it's on the table."
No. Are you kidding me? GEORGE: It is so important that we're a
part of this. Guys, we've got to break here, but, listen, we'll
be right back. So many great things are happening in this
nation. We're going to see a turn coming up
in this election. I'll see you in just a moment.
ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed today's teaching from Kenneth
Copeland Ministries. And remember Jesus is Lord.
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