DAVID BARTON: "What'd you do with that country I gave you?"
"I decided not to get involved in that." That's not an
acceptable answer. BUDDY PILGRIM: Be political. DAVID:
That's Matthew 25, and that's where the servant got in
trouble, because the master gave him something and said, "Take
care of it until I get back," and the servant
decided not to take care of it. He said,
"Throw that servant into outer darkness."
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GEORGE PEARSONS: This is Pastor George Pearsons,
and welcome to this very special edition of the
Believer's Voice of Victory, "Faith for Our Nation." We have
a midterm election that's coming up, and we are motivating,
inspiring, and getting people to get onboard with voting. And we
have a couple of men with us here during this week that we
are going to be focusing on the issues that deal with our nation
and for us to--to walk in this awakening that we're in right
now, and stay awake, stay awake during this time. So, I
have--first of all, I want to introduce to you my cohost that
has been with us for this week. It's Buddy Pilgrim. He is the
president and founder of Integrity Leadership, which
ministers the Word of God to business people, business
principles based on the Word of God, and involved in corporate
leadership for many years. Also, Buddy, you've been involved in
the political realm, which we'll talk a little bit about that
some more. He is a board member of Kenneth Copeland Ministries.
And to the executive team of Kenneth Copeland Ministries, of
which I'm the head of that team, you are our strategic adviser,
special assistant. And it's great--it's great to have a
board member embedded in your team. So, Buddy, I welcome you.
I'm so glad that you're here with us. BUDDY: Thank you,
George. Happy to be here as a cohost. GEORGE: You've
got--(Laughs) You've got--you've got so much to give to us. And
then our guest--Buddy is the cohost, but our guest is well
known by many of the people that watch Kenneth Copeland
Ministries and--and the network and our broadcasts. But for
those of you that don't, David Barton is the founder of
WallBuilders, which he presents America's forgotten history with
an emphasis on the moral, the religious, the Constitutional
foundations. And David has participated in so many
different things where our nation is concerned, Supreme
Court cases. And one particular thing that he's involved that I
have right here, this is my copy of something that you were very
involved in, and that is our Republican platform. And David
was one of the--the writers of that. How honored we are to have
you. Let me reach across this table and shake your hand. David
Barton, welcome. DAVID: Hey, Buddy. BUDDY: Hey, David.
GEORGE: Welcome, welcome, welcome. We're so glad that
you're here. DAVID: Good to be here. Good to be back. GEORGE:
David, we'll get right into this today. The purpose and the
reason that we're here for this week is to motivate the people
that are watching to vote during these midterm elections. As you
were sharing a little--a while ago, that at the time that we're
airing this, the primaries are about done; is that correct?
DAVID: Primaries are pretty much over. There's about three left
at the time this airs. And now we start looking--probably in
about four weeks, you'll see all the ads gear up full swing for
the--the elections in November. GEORGE: Okay. DAVID: So
we're--we're at that transition time. It's quieting down from
the primaries. It's picking up for the general. GEORGE: Okay.
Well, let me mention something here, too, that we also have all
of the notes from what we're teaching here and talking about,
they're available to you. Just go to and you can
download those absolutely free. And then for any information
that you might need about these elections, you can go to
americastands.us, and it has information on that website, the
primary election dates, which they're just about up, the voter
guides that we have available to you. There are notes that I did
based on these platforms. I taught in church based on the
platforms. Those notes are in there; election times coming up,
prayers for our nation, scriptures, and then also
the--the notes that Bishop Butler taught a little over a
month ago on this broadcast. So that's on americastands.us., and
that's available to you. So, David, where do we begin on
this? How do we--how do we get started on just getting people
to--and one of the things that we were thinking about was the
fact that you go through a presidential election, and
everybody is so geared up towards that-- DAVID: Mm-hmm.
GEORGE: --and because of what you've done, because of what
Buddy's done. I was thinking about that this morning, how
your part with the Ted Cruz campaign, in the reaching out to
the faith base--how that really stirred up the people to go and
vote. So I was thinking about that this morning, how much I
appreciate what you did to get that done. BUDDY: It started
with the Cruz campaign because we were--we were determined to
make the 2016 election cycle be the cycle that had the largest
turnout of Evangelical Christians anywhere in the
nation. And David knows that. David was a part of that
movement to-- DAVID: Yeah. BUDDY: --make
that happen as well. And we recruited more
faith leaders from all around the country,
Evangelical leaders, even conservative Jews, to get
involved, to understand the issues, understand the biblical
basis, even the basis from the Torah of principles that they
should look to-- GEORGE: Yep, yep. BUDDY: --for picking
candidates. We got the largest number of them ever involved
initially in the Cruz campaign. And then when President Trump
became the nominee, we wanted to get them involved and keep them
involved then. And it's important that David has--as
David knows, to keep them involved in this next election
cycle as well. GEORGE: That's the thing that I wanted to lead
into was the fact that there was a great push towards that. And
there's almost a sense of, "Shew, that's over. We've got
that done, and now we can--we can kind of sit back." But this
is not the time to sit back, especially where the midterm
elections are concerned. DAVID: One of the things we--we fight
with historically is Christian voter turnout's extremely low,
and it shouldn't be. That should be the highest of all. And
there's--there's reasons for that. So let me--let me--when
you come to an election like this, people say, "I'm so tired
of politics. I'm so tired of the polarization." GEORGE: Yep.
DAVID: "I'm so tired of 24/7, 365 CNN, NBC, Fox, whatever it
is." GEORGE: Right. DAVID: And so you just get kind of
calloused to it, and you're tired of all the bickering back
and forth and the character this and the character that, and they
don't like--that has nothing to do with what a Christian's duty
is. And you have to separate duty from inclinations. "I don't
want to." I don't care whether you want to or not. There's
certain things you do because it's the right thing to do
because-- GEORGE: Right. DAVID: --you'll answer to God for it.
And so let me hit the--the first thing I think we have to deal
with-- GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: --is Christian involvement. And let
me--let me put a perspective on it. In America--let me go back
even further. I have a Jewish--my rabbi--and I have a
rabbi, and I think every Christian needs a rabbi.
(Laughter) My rabbi--I had a real epiphany with him because I
was called to testify at the U.S. Senate on global warming
issues. So before I did, I--you know, global warming expert, I
ran my testimony by my rabbi and said, "What do you--" And my
rabbi is Daniel Lapin, great guy. GEORGE: Oh, yeah. DAVID:
And so Rabbi Lapin said, "Well, you know, it's good, but here's
some thoughts." And he gave me some stuff out of Genesis I
hadn't seen before. And I've read the Bible cover to cover
how many dozen times. And so he is so good at just showing me
things that I've read and never saw. And one of the things he
said, he said, "You do realize that when God chose to speak to
man, chose to speak to Adam, and he spoke in Hebrew." I mean, he
could have chosen French or Italian or Texan or anything
else. BUDDY: (Laughs) Texan. DAVID: He chose Hebrew. He said,
"Hebrew, therefore, is the language of God. Every word in
Hebrew is a word that's come out of the mouth of God." He said,
"So in Hebrew, it's not only important what you can say, it's
important what you can't say." BUDDY: Mm. GEORGE: Mm. DAVID: I
said, "What?" BUDDY: Yeah. DAVID: He said, "Do you know
that, in Hebrew, it is impossible to say the word
'coincidence'?" It does not exist. He said, "Because it
never crossed God's mind that something was a coincidence."
GEORGE: Wow. DAVID: Sure. I mean, we think God says, "Oh,
man, I didn't see that coming," you know? GEORGE: Yeah. (Laughs)
DAVID: No. He said, "You cannot say the word 'coincidence' in
Hebrew. It doesn't exist." I said, "That's cool." I said,
"What else can't you say in Hebrew?" He said, "Well, you
can't say the word 'retirement.'" There is no word
for "retirement" in Hebrew. And, you know, God put us here to be
fruitful and productive. Maybe we change our jobs, but you
don't ever get to the point where you shouldn't be fruitful
and productive. GEORGE: Yeah, that's right. DAVID: We have the
one example in Luke where the guy said, "Now I can retire.
I've got everything laid up." And that's the example where it
says, "You fool, this night your soul's required of God." "If
you're not going to be productive, let's get you out of
there." And so retire--I said, "That's cool." And so he told me
these other words because I kept asking him, "What other words
can't you say?" And one word he said--he said, "In Hebrew, there
is no word for 'rights.' You have no rights in Hebrew. All
you have are responsibilities." So what you teach is
responsibilities, not rights. And so here in America, we say,
"Hey, I've got a right to vote." No, you don't. You have a
responsibility to vote. GEORGE: Mm. DAVID: It's not a right
because when you say it's a right, it's something I can
choose to do or not choose to do. With voting, you don't have
that choice. Voting is a responsibility. And so you have
a duty to vote because you're part of the stewardship of the
nation. So it's not a right to vote. And--and that's such a key
concept, because when you get-- "I don't want to vote. I don't
like the--I'm so tired of bickering." That's not an
option. You have a duty to vote. You have a responsibility to be
involved. And so as you get into that duty concept of, "I'm--I'm
going to vote," you just make up your mind that "I'm going to--"
here's what we have. In America, every adult can vote. According
to the Constitution, you have to be 18 and above, and past that,
you can vote. A hundred percent of Americans that are 18 and
above can vote. The only thing we ask you to do is, please get
registered. That way we can make sure you didn't vote five
times-- GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: --or nobody voted for you. Just
voter integrity. So all you have to do is fill out a little card
and you're ready to vote. Only 67.1 percent of adults have
filled out that card. GEORGE: Wow. DAVID: So right off the
bat, one out of three Americans says, "I don't care what happens
to America. I'm not going to be part of it." That's bad
stewardship. You've already given away your
responsibilities. GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: So we're 67--67.1 percent
of adults that are registered that can vote. We had a
presidential election two years ago. Every presidential election
since 1980, the average voter turnout is 54 percent. But
that's 54 percent not of the nation, that's 54 percent of
67.1 percent. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: So you're talking half of
67.1 percent, and you're--you're roughly at about 36 percent of
adults vote in a presidential election. It only takes half of
that to win the election. So since 1980, you're talking about
only one out of five Americans choosing the President of the
United States, which is--you look at the last election, we
got 330 million, it was about 61 million that won the election.
So you're talking one out of five Americans chooses the
winning candidate. Now, you're coming to this election right
now. GEORGE: Yep. DAVID: It drops from 54 percent of
Americans voting to 39 percent voting. Now, we're talking 39
percent of 67 percent-- GEORGE: 67 percent. DAVID: --so now
we're at 26 percent. One out of four Americans will vote in this
election. It takes half of that to win. One out of eight
Americans will choose our governors, our U.S. senators,
and our congressmen. So that's not-- GEORGE: But what did you
say? One out of-- DAVID: Eight. BUDDY: One out of eight. DAVID:
Eight. GEORGE: Eight, okay. DAVID: 13 percent. You're
looking at 13 percent of adults will choose--will choose the
winners in this election. GEORGE: Yeah. Wow. DAVID: So for
Christians not to be involved, shame on us if we're not. And I
am--the Founding Fathers, I learned this from them. They
said, "You will stand before God one day and account for all you
do." We know that out of the scriptures. We know Jesus told
the 12, "You'll give account for every word you speak." We know,
out of I Corinthians 4, you'll give account for the thoughts
that you have, the ones that you maintain, not what goes through
your head, but what you think about. We know out of Hebrews 4
you'll be--you'll give account for everything you do, every
action and deed. And so we stand before God one day, and He says,
"What'd you do with your life?" We'll have to explain. You know,
"Lord, I gave my heart to You. I did exactly what you told me to.
I shared my faith with others." "Good." "What'd you do with your
family?" "Oh, man, I loved my wife like you told me. I loved
my spouse. I raised my kids in the nurture and admonition of
the Lord." "Good job. What'd you do with your possessions?" "I
did really good. Not only did I tithe, I did offerings. I took
care of the--the orphans and the needy. I did all the thing--"
GEORGE: Right. DAVID: "Great." "What'd you do with that country
I gave you?" "I decided not to get involved in that." That's
not an acceptable answer. BUDDY: Be political. DAVID: That's
Matthew 25. And that's where the servant got in trouble, because
the master gave him something and said, "Take care of it until
I get back," and the servant decided not to take care of it.
He said, "Throw that wicked servant into outer darkness."
GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: So in our case, we've been given a nation,
Luke 19:13 says, "Occupy till I come." "You take care of this
till I get back." And for Christians not to be involved in
the care of their civil government--now, that's the
numerical side. Let me throw out another side on this. It has to
do with what I would consider to be some bad theology. If you ask
most Christians today, "Why did God put you here? Why are you
here? What's your purpose?" GEORGE: Yeah, yeah. DAVID: Since
1746, the chief answer, particularly among Protestants
has been to glorify God. BUDDY: Yeah. DAVID: "I'm here to
glorify God and to serve Him forever." Okay, show me the
Bible verse on that. The problem with that is God's got plenty of
creatures to glorify Him. That's why He made angels. Angels
glorify. He's got no shortage of people to glorify Him. GEORGE:
Right, right. DAVID: We're here for a different purpose. And if
you go into Genesis 1 and 2, in Genesis 1 and 2, you get
creation given to you twice. Genesis 1, you see the earth
created. Genesis 2, you see it created, but you get a different
part of the story. So between those two chapters, it kind of
blows it up. And if you look in Genesis 2 where it's
saying--because Genesis 1:26-27, "God made man in his own image;
male and female made he them." So-- BUDDY: But He told them to
rule. And He said, "Subdue the earth." DAVID: "Subdue, take
dominion." And then over in Chapter 2, He kind of blows that
up a little bit. And what's interesting is He made man, and
then in Chapter 2, He tells you why He made man. GEORGE: Yeah.
DAVID: It said He looked over everything that He created. He
looked over--He looked over the animals and the fish, and He
looked over it. And His word was--in Genesis 2:5 and then
Genesis 2:15, He said--He saw that he had no one to tend the
garden. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: And so He made man. GEORGE: Yeah.
DAVID: Man was made to take care of God's stuff. GEORGE: (Laughs)
That's good. DAVID: That's the bottom line. GEORGE: Yeah,
that's right. DAVID: We're not here to glorify God. We need to
glorify God. That's--that's a command. We're here to take care
of His stuff. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: And His stuff is
education, it's politics, it's religion, it's business, it's
entertainment, it's media, it's--we're here to take care of
His stuff. GEORGE: It's for the seven mountains. DAVID: The
seven mountains because they're often called, yeah, the
Christian--a Christian teaching about the seven mountains.
GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: And those are the seven spheres of
influence. God put us here to take care of His stuff. And if
we say, "Oh, I don't care what your stuff is in government. I'm
not going to get involved with that," got news for you, God
created government before He created Church. You go through
Genesis, He creates man, then He creates the family, then He
creates government, then He creates the Church. So that's
His institution. And you're saying, "I'm not going to take
care of God's stuff"? That's why He made you, was to put you here
for His stuff. GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: So if Christians get that
mentality, then when you come to this election and look at this
election, you take the view, "I'm going to be involved. What
can I do to make the best impact I possibly can?" GEORGE: Yeah,
yeah. DAVID: And at that point, now you're a whole different
paradigm, and you've got different questions to ask and
different questions to answer. Now, Buddy's been involved in
politics. I've been involved in politics a long time. I've had
political office in Texas for nine years. I have trained
thousands of candidates. And what we train candidates to do
is find three issues and run on those three issues. You want to
stick on those three issues. We teach the message discipline.
And so every candidate that runs, whether they're running
for mayor or whether they're running for president, you're
going to hear three things over and over. And they're going to
just stay on that and stay on that and stay on that and stay
on that. But on their website, there's going to be 40 or 50
different issues, and they're going to cover things from
climate change to military, Syria to Israel, to foreign
affairs, to sub-Saharan Africa. They're going to cover tax,
they're going to cover economics, they're going to
cover--cover recovery, they're going to cover jobs. They're
going to cover every single conceivable thing. GEORGE: Yes.
DAVID: And voters always are attracted by certain things.
Now, the candidate's going to pick three things that poll
really high, and that's what they're going to keep talking
about the whole time. So whatever the polling is, that's
what they're going to talk about. But other people say,
"Well, you know, I--I'm really concerned about creation care,"
or whatever they choose. That's okay, but you better make sure
your concerns are biblical concerns. And for Christians,
they don't always do that. And so one of the things that I love
pointing out is, when God took His people Israel after 400
years of slavery-- GEORGE: Right. DAVID: --through a series
of those 10 plagues, He gets them delivered from Pharaoh,
then He wipes out Pharaoh there at the Red Sea. He leads them
out with a pillar of fire and cloud and gets them out of
there. And He gets them out in the wilderness, all these former
slaves, and He says, "Okay, nobody's chasing you, and you
don't have a clue where you're going. So I'm stopping you right
here, and we're going to make a nation out of you." GEORGE:
There we go. DAVID: And so right there around the mountain, He
made them into a nation. And what He did was delivered to
them 613 laws. It's every law that any nation ever needs to
run a nation. And it deals with economics, it deals with
military, it deals with foreign affairs, it deals with
immigration, it deals with education. 613 laws, everything
a nation needs, any nation. And that's why God's Word is
applicable for every aspect of a nation. So you look at that, and
so you look at a candidate's website, and you go, "Man, 613
things. You know, there's something for everybody"--
GEORGE: (Laughs) Yeah. DAVID: --essentially is about what it
amounts to. But what's really cool is, over in Genesis--or
over in Exodus 34, God says, "By the way, I gave you My top 10."
He said, "That's the tenor of my law." "I gave you 613 laws, but
I do have some that are more important than others." BUDDY:
Yes. GEORGE: Yes, yes. BUDDY: Or that guide all the others.
DAVID: They guide all the others. It's the backbone. Now,
I picked this for fun because that's the Ten Commandments,
obviously. This is--this one's historic. It's historic in the
sense of--and I'm going to jump off the priorities that God has
and do a little social commentary here for a minute
because we all--120,000 documents from before 1812. This
is obviously after 1812. This goes back to 1978. This Ten
Commandments from 1978--and, I mean, you see the Ten
Commandments and the significance of stuff here is
you don't murder, and you don't steal, and et cetera. This is
what was hanging in the walls of Kentucky Schools in 1978.
GEORGE: Oh, my. DAVID: When a lawsuit was filed, they went to
the Supreme Court. It's called Stone v. Graham. And this hung
in the hallways of the class. And just like there were
pictures--a picture of George Washington on that hall, and
there's a horse running through a pasture over there, and
there's a bowl of flowers back here, and here's the Ten
Commandments. And the question was asked, "What if a student
sees this? What if they walk over to it and start reading
it?" GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID: "Is it Constitutional for a student to
voluntarily read this if they want to?" GEORGE: Yeah. DAVID:
The Supreme Court came back, Stone v. Graham, and said, "No."
If--this is their quota. If the posted copies of the Ten
Commandments were to have any effect, it would be to induce
the school children to read them. If they would read them,
they might meditate on them and venerate them and obey them, and
that would be unconstitutional. GEORGE: Whoa. DAVID: So, "Don't
kill." "Oh, I can't figure out why we have so many more school
shootings today with kids walking into schools in Florida
and shooting." Because we don't teach them things like this.
This is real simple stuff. GEORGE: Yes. DAVID: This is one
of God's top 10. You don't murder; you do not shed innocent
blood. Try teaching that in a school today. See, what we want
to do is punish them after they have, or take their guns away.
So, no, if you don't fix the heart, you'll never fix what's
inside. BUDDY: Yeah. GEORGE: We've got about two minutes,
guys, so we--and we'll continue on in this, but, please, keep
going with it. BUDDY: One quick thing. And it was a judge, not a
legislature-- DAVID: That's where we're headed. BUDDY: --not
a bunch of legislatures-- DAVID: That's exactly right. GEORGE:
Right. Right, right, right. BUDDY: --representing the
people. It was a judge that made the decision that that couldn't
be done. DAVID: The judges are key on this. But what's
interesting is, if you look at this, God says, "I am the Lord
thy God." That's public religious acknowledgments.
That's one of His top 10. So if you have a candidate that says,
"Oh, separation of church and state," you're saying, "Can't
say, 'God,' in public." The military can't have God. You
can't have a kid say, "God," at graduation. That violates one of
God's top 10. So as a Christian, I want to vote on the top 10,
which means, out of all the stuff on the website, I want to
see where they are on religious expressions. If they're not
right on religious expressions--and that
includes--we'll talk about this later--the rights of conscience.
GEORGE: Oh, that's good. DAVID: The rights of conscience goes
here. That's God's number one. If you get a secular-minded
person that thinks you should not be acknowledging God or kids
shouldn't pray in school or kids shouldn't see the Ten
Commandments-- GEORGE: Yep. DAVID: --we've got problems with
who we're electing. GEORGE: Yep. DAVID: So get somebody
different. So that's the first rule. The next one I'll point to
is down here, "Thou shall not commit adultery." Now, what's
that--God says, "Look, I want sex confined to a man and woman
in marriage." Ah, now we've got a sexual definition. Anything
outside of sex as a man or woman in marriage is wrong. So
homosexual sex is wrong, however, adultery is wrong,
married--sex outside of marriage or premarital sex is wrong. God
says, "I want sexuality confined to a man and a woman in
marriage," period. So I want to see where candidates are on
sexuality. Where are they on LGBT? Where are they on
marriage? Where are--because that's one of God's top 10.
GEORGE: That's outstanding. DAVID: That's one of God's top
10. GEORGE: Okay. DAVID: And then if I also say, "Thou shall
not kill" --in Hebrew, the word "kill" means murder. It's not
"kill." It's not military. You don't shed innocent blood.
GEORGE: Right. Right. DAVID: And I think abortion is shedding
innocent--sure, it is. Abortion is shedding innocent blood. So,
here's the deal: I don't care what the candidate's issues are.
My top three issues are going to be, where are you on
acknowledgment of God and religious conscience? GEORGE:
Wow. DAVID: Where are you on sexuality? Where are you on--on
abortion? GEORGE: Yep. DAVID: And then past that, we'll talk
about creation, care, or taxes, or something else. GEORGE:
Speaking of 10, I've got 10 seconds here so...
(Laughter) This is exciting. We'll be right back.
ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed today's teaching from Kenneth
Copeland Ministries. And remember Jesus is Lord.
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