JK Rowling is here if you do not know who she is let me tell you two decades
ago she sat on a delayed train when the image of a scrawny black hair respectful
boy who did not know he was a wizard came to her her vision soon captured the
imaginations of readers around the world and it began an unprecedented cultural
phenomenon Time magazine is credited pirate potter series
with creating a fictional universe so detailed and believable that an
entire generation is pretty much chosen to live there it is the best-selling
book series in history with more than 450 million copies sold in sixty
seven languages eight movies have also been spawn and they have gross seven
point seven billion dollars worldwide
now five years after laying her paw to rest she has written her first book for adults
it is called the casual vacancy I am pleased to have JK Rowling at this table
for the first time welcome thank you very been waiting for you
oh I'm any good it's nice to hear how much trepidation did you have after you
decided to put Harry to bed in deciding what you wanted to do and how to do what
you never really wanted to do is write another book
uh-huh that's a good question because I had the idea for the casual vacancy
right after finishing Definitely House you know so I was actually promoting Deathly
Hallows in the States and I had the idea in the States while I am on a plane
and the plane is crucial on a plane is crucial to what may be in training ones on
the train was on a plane so I can meet you need to keep moving and then I have
been I get my ideas there's always trepidation I mean I think
that people might be surprised to know that I felt trepidation every time I
produced a Potter book you know the weight of expectation there was was I won't
say crushing it was extraordinary and wonderful to have that weight
of expectation, but the times yeah and with the expectations laterally of
millions of fans all of whom were very invested in the story and wanted to see
what they wanted to see and I knew where I was going and I had to put on mental
blinkers a lot and just think I know where I'm going I must not be influenced
by this so in a sense it was liberating to leave that
weight of expectation behind and know that I could just do what I wanted to
do it was very freeing but I must say that I spent the first two
years working on the Casual Vacancy telling myself you don't even have to publish
that you don't even have to publish this book and that was
a way of bringing down my own awareness that you know people
it wasn't going to be what some people wanted it to be you know because because
whereas we both know I couldn't keep kept writing Harry Potter's forever
pretty much and why did you because I always envisaged as a seven book series
I had enough plot for seven books and when I was done I always knew I would
stop at seven and it anyway I'm not going to lie it was heartbreaking
in many ways because Harry was with me through a very turbulent period in my
life and it was always a place that I could go you talk about readers always
being able to go there it was a place I was able to go and to close
the door was it was like a death but I knew that it
was time to go and have not regretted it
I think it was you know it's what do you other than all the obvious things and
well I changed my life that you know the most obviously clearly it utterly
changed my life it transformed my life my life situation we were in a
precarious my daughter and I were in a precarious situation when for
a few years but beyond that it connects me Harry connected me to
it's just been through line through so much of my life and so when I look at
the put that back at the books I can remember where I was when I wrote all
these 17 years I spent those characters 17 but do you talk to them in in some
real sense I mean do the one that I miss the most
beyond any characters Dumbledore and he was here he was a strange character
because I always say I feel like I wrote him from somewhere in the back of my
brain he would often say things I didn't know I
believe but once I saw that Dumbledore said tomorrow yeah that's right that's true
so he's he was a an interesting character and I am I miss him
if I could talk to any of them it would be Dumbledore this Miller
yeah gives us neither knowledge or truth
men have wasted away in front of it even gone man
that is why tomorrow it will be moved to a new home and I must ask you not to go
looking for it again it does not do to dwell on dreams and forget
to live so you set out to write this new look at you
knew it was gonna be about adults huh what else did you know after you add that
inspiration on that plane well the germ of the idea was a council election
a local council election that would be supported by teenagers which was
a device to expose certain secrets yeah that was that was the basic idea and
I was excited by that idea because it was going to give me an opportunity to
explore a lot of things that are important to me and things that obsessed me
frankly and well for example I've just talked about the fact that I was in a
very precarious situation for a few years I was probably as poor as you can go
without being homeless in the UK which is not to say that friends and family
didn't help me because they did but you know it was tough and you were writing
a book and had to depend on the government
well yeah I did although I was working part-time at the law at that time was
you could earn up to a very small amount of weight without forfeiting housing
benefit which was the thing that was keeping us home
so I worked up to that amount I had a clerical job in a church at one point so
I am and then I was teaching but we were still
existing partly on benefits I couldn't wholly support us and then a miracle
happened Harry was published and we we really didn't
look back after a few months it changed my life
but that . that period of my life was a formative experience for me and it
shaped my world view it and it always will shape my world view the experience
of having being part of a mass of people who are very voiceless the experience of
being scapegoated and stigmatized because that was the political climate
at that time really has colored my world for you ever since and I don't think
I'll ever lose that would define what you mean I think I know what you mean by
worldview well in that it's a frightening experience
to become a statistic to almost fall off the radar of what people think
is important to discuss and to be talked about in terms that you don't
recognize and I think that's something I thought very powerfully after
emerging from that situation was people lose their individuality when they
are trapped in that kind of poverty it is a humiliating place to be and it affects
your life in ways that people have never been there cannot begin to comprehend
your choices contract so even someone like me who had a university education
you know I was an educated person who wanted to work very much
I was really trapped you know you with you fall beneath all that certain level
of poverty and without rich relatives it's very very difficult to get out of that
situation and you want us to understand these are real people
yeah with real lives and generosity it's in all these other human qualities exactly
right exactly right yeah and and do you want us to also understand that they
feel not only that they don't matter but that others perhaps more fortunate
have contempt for them but just don't know them well I think it's a mixture
of both I think that it's easy to caricature now I
would I would say that this is I feel this is not a black or white book in
the sense that I do not wish to glamorize every poor character in the book nor do I
I'm not suggesting that everyone who is in public living in poverty is heroic but
all I would say is there's probably about the same proportion of unheroic characters
living in poverty as there are in other classes
right right and so certainly there are some very unpleasant people in this book
who happens also to be poor but this the action centers around 16 year old girl
who has grown up in tremendously difficult circumstances and like the
question for me is and the question I hope the reader ponders is is she worth
saving who should be saving her to what extent is
this her fault this is crystal we didn't exactly yeah tell
me about the story I want to come back to it because of what you
have just said the casual vacancy has to do with the death of the council
right it was a phrase initially in my head I was calling the book responsible
because the theme is personal responsibilities and responsibilities in
a community sense but then I found this phrase which I've never met before it is a casual
vacancy when in occupying a political seat dies they
leave the casual vacancy and that phrase book to me on so many levels because the
characters in this book all of them I would say have a lap or a vacancy
in their lives to some extent and they fit into between for everything exactly
yeah we mentioned teenagers several term yeah same thing is true with
harry potter what is it about teenagers I don't know I do you think it's arrested
development to me I don't know I do know that you said that
your teenagers were not that happy for you
I loved Stephen King said if you enjoyed being a teenager there's something
really wrong with you and that made me that really struck me here
I mean teenager could not write a book like this
yeah or like Steven King no no definitely not
what no well actually I think the urge to write often comes from a wish to
rearrange reality the reality you're in so I've never I don't think I've
ever met and it is easy to make it a fantasy or make it a real village that
has recently there's honestly not much different that is truly not much
difference and they're very different kinds of book but for me
what obsesses me morality mortality those two things most of all
absolutely do everything exactly you do they ran through harry potter completely
they run through this can I probably will never be able to challenge any
morality very close friend of mine I finished the book and the first thing
He said to me was how many people die he knows me so well knows you yeah
exactly but no to go back to the teenagers point you
raise I think that I am fascinated by people who are on the cusp of adulthood
it's such an interesting time of life I think most of us would say that we it's
against another very formative period and everyone trying to get sent for
India that you're also very vulnerable and these characters are vulnerable in a
ways . association absolutely and not but also what
is which is an interesting thing about adolescences often much more concerned
with the big issues of life than the people in middle age like me who
is struggling with the minutiae of everyday life we all get bogged down in that
to an extent they are concerned with the essence of life which is relationships
and love well one teenage boy asks another in this book
what matters and the answer is sex and death and then as an afterthought
music now none of the adults characters are having that conversation
this is not a word about paying the bills and and you know what their right
to worry about the paying the bills we will do it but here's what's made in your
writing that you were worried about paying the bills and yet at the same time
you were writing about you know the fantasy of teenagers and everything else you
know both of those at the same time you had to be an adult about paying the bills
at the same time you had to be deeply inside of a life in which you're not
worrying about the only thinking about well I think to be an image of a world
of of which sex relationships yes completely yeah yeah I mean it that well
that's the life of a writer isn't it I mean I have to have a for one of a better
term a real life look after my kids and then I have this other
life as all writers do where I'm I'm somewhere else completely
you want us to look for what happens to Crystal and who is she
and yes definitely yes yeah and how do we find her
well i think that people reading the book of had varying reactions to her
I think that if if someone want to read this book and say that they couldn't
13:12 find anything any redeeming quality and Crystal
didn't ultimately feel she was worth saving
then I might not have anything to say to that person I mean I they have missed it
I would suggest yes yeah what do you think are redeeming qualities
and she has aspirations she has grown up in a household with his dreams
she said she she's grown up in a household where there is no aspiration
no one has given her model in how to succeed or how to live a different life
and yet Crystal has this latent desire to succeed
to achieve she wants to hold her family together she's
parenting her younger brother who is being quite egregiously neglected by their
biological mother so I think there's a lot in Crystal to love
at the same time she's promiscuous she's foul-mouthed she's pretty ignorant she's
intermittently violent so I'm not glorifying Crystal you know this
isn't Oliver Twist someone who's walked unscathed through hardship and come
out the other side and how much of her is you
well I think it's kind of scary when applied to me because I think I created
something 200-something characters in the potter books but they say that every
character is every writer beyond that for Crystal
no I wouldn't say that Crystal she liked the story she does she has to me and I
was somebody you've known no one in this book has a living model but
at the same time I have known people like everyone in this book yeah exactly
Crystal is I went to a school not on like this but the school represented in
this book and I certainly knew girls like crystal in the plural there's no
one single girl and I also talked for a while after as I said earlier I was
teaching and again I was teaching in state schools where you had a very mixed
intake and again I met people whose backgrounds were not dissimilar to
Crystal and whose behavior is not dissimilar to crystal so this is a small
rooted in reality yeah Patrick is a small as microcosm of government
here exactly also is that important to know I think it is I mean a parish
council in the in the UK is is the is the tiniest building block of out of
democracy and I would say that in writing about it I became really impressed
you know what it's it's easy to satirize small town concerns but I
I what I emerged with was the knowledge of how much their decisions which may
seem relatively small that can have a huge meaningful impact on other people's
lifes I mean I'm really Pro it's very easy to denigrate
the political process and it's very easy to steer politicians and I think
I've done it myself but there's no other way to get stuff done and a lot of people
and in this book you see a great array of motivations for becoming a coucilar
but the guy who died on page two or three he was in it for the right reasons
this is someone who had left a background not quite as bad as Crystals
but it hadn't been great and he'd been very poor and he wants to make a
difference and he sees that as a valid way of making a difference have a voice
and give people who don't have a voice suppose you were the same woman writing Harry
Potter and you are and then but you are a billion dollars later with no series
worries would you be less hungry and you have said
you didn't have to write this book now
you didn't need to write another book you may have needed for your own psyche but
you didn't need it to make money
uh-huh you just need it for reputation you didn't need it for legacy would it
have been different if you didn't need it in the same way you need it Harry
what I've written a different but what do you mean
well I think that's a really fascinating question I don't think so I don't
think so I think I would have written this book just the same
it is it a better book in fact because you have had this whole journey and
migration from being poor starting in middle class with good schools
in poorer than enormously rich do you understand class better than most people
because you've been everywhere possibly yeah possibly
and so what do you know about it that we all are like in so many ways just
completely I mean I'm you're jealous and we all worry and we all
worry about morality and mortality and a Sikh hero is quoted in this
book as you know there's a Sikh families is important but one of the families
whose who is very crucial to the plot and the Sikh hero is he said and it's
just the most beautiful thing he treated foe and friend like on the battlefield
and when asked why he was giving aid to any wounded soldier not just
his side he replied I can't differentiate between them the light of God
shines from every soul now that to me is the most beautiful poetic way of expressing
a common humanity it is interesting and this is far from this book but Bill
Gates know in terms of giving away all the billions that he's given away and
focusing on global health and poverty and disease and it says that its spring
from a sense that all human life has value right now I would totally agree with that
I mean I want you to talk about the journey and and understanding those
different points of view I mean I I am exactly the same person I was
then when I was struggling to write Harry Potter and i have no publishing deal
and didn't know whether it would ever be published
I'm i need to write is completely unchanged so some things don't change at
all other things change hugely primarily the way you reviewed by other people you
care about that at this stage no it's not that it's not that I care about
you worry about that but that was a big difference that's the big difference
suddenly power they see us do something very interested in what you've got
to say exactly and no one gave a damn what I had to say and
the same person and I pretty much would say the same things
now but now people that want to hear it and that can be disconcerting though
it can be disconcerting to have that interest
do you ever say to yourself I'm not that interesting I don't get that many
interviews because to be honest like I just get sick of the sound of my own
voice I just think i just don't have enough opinions to fill
we didn't I don't know it's a high-end you you work in a hungry medium you know
and I find it yeah sometimes quite intimidating it's a larger
. I mean he's writing what it is that you are happiest when you are
listen to in search of a character and where that character is going to take
you you know when I'm happiest is when I'm about two-thirds of the way through
a book and it always at that point I'm flying always I'm flying and I'm just that is the
place I lived to be two-thirds of wake up in the morning I'm about two thirds
of the way through I know exactly where I'm going and I've got
a whole day to write that to me is a perfect day and do you try to perfect perfect
each sentence or do you want to yeah it doesn't always work out that way but
yeah you're always hoping to you but I've been told that the book
you turning into your editors are pretty much the books get published that you
don't require a lot of editing well that's kind I look back at some of the
potter books tonight I would lie in each to go back with a with
a red pen and cross and that folks about the desktop editing yeah I'm so watching
somebody else is there to do well i am with this book know there was no
there wasn't well I've got a great educator David Shelly
and he he is that perfect person who is like a coach you know who knows how
to get the best out of you so he was he was fantastic so no I don't have changed
a great deal he's just got a phenomenal understanding of
what he had on this book he had the phenomenal understanding of what i was trying
to do and there were places where he said that's great but you need to do more
of that there for you it's just fine-tuning and he was just he was
just phenomenal he had a great understanding of what I wanted to do and was
on my side because what you know when we went
it's always nerve-racking turning in a manuscript people now make these kinds
of of the comparisons Dickens in trouble then Elliot and that kind of thing my point is
not do you think of yourself as any of those but my point is what kind of acknowledgement
and appreciation would satisfy you the most
oh my god because you
I think it's very dangerous for a writer to start thinking in those terms I think
actually I really mean that I'm not this isn't false modesty or I mean I don't
see what known asleep by I'm enormous be flattered that anyone would mention
those those names anywhere near me I can't I will say I consciously wanted this
book to be a modern take on that kind of nineteenth-century Novel where you
do go into a small society and you really analyze and an atomized that that tiny
society so that's great that people would say you know they they would recognize
that I'm trying to write in that tradition but there's a difference between
that and and me sitting there thinking
no I like to look at what I do is question why did I don't want you to
think that I was thinking I'm not like you thank you so what you
I think it's probably a rich woman thinking you have such as Dickens that
now i know I really get that I think he's I think it's a fair question but I
also think that I do genuinely think that if you are if you are sitting there
thinking now who would I most like to be compared to
you know you're wasting your time just get on and do the work
yeah but who are you writing for my ideal reader has an open mind and loves
characterized do you see it when you're writing do you see it like a movie did
you see this I mean it pretty soon soon after Harry Potter
you saw the character is exactly the movie character for harry potter and then
that you interesting enough be interesting no I didn't
you never thought of him is one exception that this is what's interesting
to me I never saw Dan or Rupert or Emma as might
know because I've lived with them so long I saw in my characters in my head
there was one exception and I've I have said this before if Anna Lynch who
played Luna Lovegood I saw her we don't believe you finally
but he who must not be named back and you fought him and the ministery in the
top are conspiring against you and Dumbledore thanks
seems you're about the only ones that do you think that's true
I suppose that Elly wants you what do you mean
well if I were you know who I'd want you to feel cut off from everyone else
because if it's just you alone you're not as much of a threat that was such
a perfect I mean that I'm not saying the others went
perfect pieces of casting because then I had orders but here's a question is
that she got in my head and it was I even heard her voice when I was writing Luna
but did how did Harry different from the actor in this Kate
I mean what in how did the picture you have in your head different from the
picture we see on the screen or down roof inn at the dam Reapers an Amber and
they know I've said there's nothing left that they're much better looking than
the kids i saw I'm really here yeah definitely I memories beautiful
staggeringly beautiful but the thing that you didn't see that kind of know
and in the book Hermione is beautiful she's a plane although
she she saw herself out a little bit and she gets a little more style
as she gets older but at what ever had which made her which I am so glad they
cast her as her money Emma is a very intelligent girl who played
intelligent beautifully m is not at all even though she's stunningly beautiful
memories not at all about her looks you know that whoever is and that shone
through in her portrayal of her mind and that's why I was thrilled they cast
up because she was such a smart right girl and I needed my Hermione to be
that kind of person it's just how I remember it
trees the river everything like nothing is changed
not true of course everything is changed my pants back in all the party won't
recognize any of it the trees
river not even me
I wished I just stayed here Harry grow old did the movies teach you anything
about your characters did you see anything about your characters that it
might have added to their complexity because actress can take lines
yeah definitely and that's their job is to make them enhance them
Gary Oldman was fantastic serious he was amazing and he gave serious something
that was was in my mind for serious but on screen
I really saw it that slight edge of insanity of being unbalanced someone had
been locked up for a long time and he just say that
listen to me don't just take the other thing it out here
No I'm staying with you beautiful
yeah let me take it from here
yeah yeah
when you're writing this with a multiple characters you have
hmm is finding somebody that's a bit crazed is that like thrilling because
you can do so many things you've got a rainha shit you've gotta rein it in
though you've got to bring you to pitch it right
I think well because otherwise it just becomes like a a cardboard and paste
caricature you've got to you've still got to find the
center of the crazy person Bellatrix in the books is probably the most out of control
insane person in the books she's vicious even more than Voldemort who has a
control about him but that was how I saw her that she was there was a kind of
lack of boundaries and you this literary merit matter in generally speaking over
what you write and we will you be bothered by reviews that
are not as kind as others even though they are reputable people does it now
no that's that she doesn't matter because you know you can attempt you can
affect your life or your psyche there there are two things I would say to
that first of all it is one of the amazing and wonderful things about literature
as about film the music is it's utterly subjective so it's somebody that
the point of it you know that's the point of course you work you move in that
world if you expect us just stand under a shower of Perpetual praise there's
something wrong with exactly that you know you will we will get criticism
I knew that going in and the funny thing is I'm not particularly I was never a
very confident person in their areas in my life in which I'm very thin-skinned
but not in this area in this area I think it's right and proper I should be
criticized and that's that's engaging learn from it
yes sometimes you absolutely it depends I mean I there have been reviews that
have I thought yes that's fair comment and I need to take that on board
yeah of course so where you thin skin I don't I was very out of that back to adolescent
I was certain that a very self-conscious adolescent and I was our kind
of everything you know and that followed me into adulthood and I've had to
learn to be a little more they need insecurities left after this
yeah led to them but I'm not showing them on TV the gripper will give an29:33
example of the kind of thing you talk about what could you be insecure about
you've got a great marriage to a wonderful doctor I do you know I'm
suggesting is doing just fine thank you very much
yes but I'm a human being like anyone else and we all have our insecurities
and we all have places where we feel we could do best is it about something
other than mortality and morality and or vanity it's not all of those things are in all of
us we all worry about those things and I'm not immune
yeah do you have anything that you want to prove it
I mean I want this is an effort to say i can go somewhere
else and tell different kinds of stories because in the end I'm a storyteller
that's what I do yeah fundamentally that was what I wanted to right now so I
wrote it and I knew perfectly well that some people wouldn't love it but that's
ok that's ok that's a ok that's how it should be
and indeed with a book like this if some people didn't hate it
I'd have written it wrong yeah exactly in other words yeah did you do you want two
people means you would have taken risks that sound exciting or response on here
exactly exactly so what kind of rolled you want to have you
know as as as the member of the community you never part of this larger community
and you and the Queen and the Queen Vixen and you're all that I mean you
are a popular in person as amazing a new name and credit it because because and
Danny Boyle who produced it produced exactly he asked me to do it twice own I thought
have been as a filmmaker he was amazing he was amazing I mean it's
like a general there were so many thousands of people involved
in that no that's what directors do
yeah well I never had never seen such a graphic demonstration of the skills that
you need but it's so he persuaded me i said no a couple times are terrified
how did you persuade you well we had a meeting face-to-face meeting and my
husband was there also any lip he told me everything that was going to happen
including the Queen jumping out of the plane and it after he told me the Queen
jumping on the plane I thought no one is even gonna remember I
was there so that really brought down my anxiety level like I understood I was going
to be a small cog in an amazing machine and I thought I will be very proud
to be part of this and I should do it
it was terrifying it was terrible return 80,000 people in the crowd
walking out there and then the knowledge which I was trying very hard to block
out of how many people watching on TV and for someone who used to be phobic about
public speaking this was you know this was quite a big deal
but you're so relaxed here in this conversation and this is it but this is easy
this just feels like you you and me sitting at a table so it's very
easy for me to it is that kind table yeah yeah that is easy but so when you
think about the future in terms of32:28 remand you
you don't have much to prove other than to continue doing what you bring you
great joy what's what is the satisfaction of writing for you other than it's what
you do like this is what you do I wish I knew the answer to that because um
but it is it is it is what I do and it
it's so fundamental and I have such a powerful need to write
yes it is a need you would be I think I would be very gentle mentally ill
really you yeah maybe I remember I remember when I years ago I read and for
the first time that Virginia Woolf had been told you muscle right you know she
was and I can remember feeling like those horrific
how could they have banned how could they have stopped her writing it's that
to me would be can't tell you have a serious that would be to me
but why quite quite sure what is it what is it gives definitely just as a debut
identity and definition in and I have a bad i suppose I have a real need to go
and create a different world in my head I just don't know how I'm driven to do
that yeah and it was that why Harry Potter was what it was but yeah he didn't
throw in another world yeah and then I brought all the problems from
this world into that well too but it was a great way of examining those problems
to do it in that parallel seemingly more seemingly safer place
it wasn't really safer at all you describe the great joy being two-thirds in and
and you know where it's going and that's you really ought to hide them
yeah are you on a high when you get the idea as you did on the train as you get
a plane and you know this is where and when do you know it
I mean yes I always get it when I always know when I've had a decent idea and
this has never let me down because I get this physical response like this rush of
adrenaline is really physical that's how I that's how I saw what I think
of the good ideas from the bad I just
do you have another idea now that thrilled you and against you I do I know
what my next I'm pretty sure what my next two books will
be so yeah you are and once the kids and once for adults and
I am excited about both of them said what do you mix them up I mean you've stood
can you write two of them at the same time not go not exactly we're not exactly
but I have got two notebooks with me on this trip
one for each book and I'm so I'm jotting both ok that's notebooks I'm not really
writing and just bring everything also a constant but by nature where you are
what you've done and what you can do have you become a finely tuned observer
of human nature I think I always that was born here it is
I mean I would you do fascinated by people and that is at the heart of absolutely
everything I've written because I would say I do further day school
did you know I don't think I think you just are that way and I was curious
that by I was born just very interesting people and I do think that I've
so often been asked what was it about Harry Potter that you know of
get the captivate people and the magic was fun but it was ultimately it was the
characters that kept people coming back it was the people
how do you write you get up in the morning early you know make my best dish
a clean one huh late forties believe you made the best works
done early morning I used to know yeah that's what I like is exactly this earlier
you know when I was in my twenties I would I could indeed sit up all
night but that those days are gone I it's really best to get up early and I find
that the morning or less what well my and my husband needs to be up at six
thirty to get to work and the kids need to be up early to get off to school
so once they've gone and the house is empty then I would start working
yeah then I'd get another coffee and start working and that's the ideal that's
the ideal writing time those hours in the morning and howlong
well I can write a lot of hours in the day I mean I've done eight hour days and
comfortably recently but you know you disappointed I mean does every day that
you sit down for eight hours a day you something on the page yeah definitely you
don't go days in which you're just no but there was in writing this I mean they
were time did they were they have been times in both the Harry Potter and this
where the struggle made you gave you not not writers block but something right
aren't there been times what you said I just
distress the expectation no just want to leave it no was it a but I
want to take your right this uh yeah but that I was writing other stuff at the
same time like what do I like him to join the other
two books you know what those so there's other stuff been going on in those
five years I I wasn't working on casual vacancy from beginning to end
those five years because that's just I've never worked that way I've never
I've always had two other things but it would you skip ahead on with you writing
seven on harry potter when you should have been writing for I wrote a
substantial part of another children's book midway through possible that I
still need to go back and finish because I really like it but I've always jumped
around I always do I need to have several things
you have had times in which you really need to pull yourself away
from it, haven't you I had a break in between Goblet and Venus
where it was about total I had I said to the publishers I can't give you another
book next year I've done one a year for four years and it was similarly there
are doing it yeah but then they got a huge behind a huge
book for the paint I just said to them I need to step up I need
to recharge my batteries and it wasn't that I didn't want to write but I needed
to step away a little and then that I was going to take a two year two years
to do this but I took three and in his two years I met my husband married
my husband had a baby and I wasn't expecting all that to come out of taking
a break but but I'm also interested in creative process
to and and have come to understand first of all there's no spirit
from the on high that speaks to you which speaks to
you you know is is an idea that you can then dive into and didn't make choices
you make choices about your characters
you make choices about do they do this what do they do that yeah you know it
was the creative idea is a million you're right
I find that people are very interested in the eye in the concept of inspiration
and that it exists for sure I mean the ideas for both the casual vacancy
and Harry Potter and some other things that I've I am writing fell into my
head yeah and where they came from you know you
can tell yourself ok it came from somewhere in the my subconscious but it feels
like someone dropped each other that's a wonderful thing but a girl asked
me at the launch of the casual vacancy in London
she said to me do you write only when you're inspired or and I said no because
I would have written a page and a half exactly you know and I said to her you've
got to you I mean it's its people some people don't want
to hear that about writing you don't you're not sitting there taking dictation
from Europe from from an angel because you gotta work it's about structure
it's about discipline it's all these deadly things that your school teacher
told you you needed you need it yeah I mean what would sort of me you never
know where you get good ideas now you don't sit there and say give me a good
idea you can't think yourself into that exactly
you can think you can work yourself into being inspired
I mean I have sat in front of the blank page I remember chapter 13 Harry Potter and the
goblet of fire the number of times I rewrote back down chapter
because it was just technically very different difficult because I need to
show something without showing it I needed to hear I think it's chapter 13 pretty
sure it is you don't know I don't know there was a twitter
there are people people out there watching how can you not know
I can recite a beta I'm so humiliated it was it was technically very difficult to
convey the information I need to convey while hiding
certain things and I got knows40:40 how often I rewrote and rewrote it but the
reality is it's like a scientist everything that fails brings you closer to
what works your mom mhm no I mean how did all of us have
this instinct God I wish my mom or my dad was here
mmm to hear this story to share this joy to see this because we all want to say
that what I did and look what I did yeah yeah definitely it's a very complex question
for me that because I mean what wouldn't I give to have my mother see what
happened and it would have meant so much to her I mean she was such a reader and
valued books and literature very very highly in the house was full of books
because of my mother so on that level I mean that the human the
most personal level as I say what wouldn't I give what's crazy about the situation
is that if she hadn't died the books wouldn't have been what they are
so I get to call into one of those horrible sort of time loops
also if my mother hadn't died I would never gone to teach abroad because while
she was alive and well I wouldn't have left the country
if I had gone to live in Port each and Portugal I never would have met my
ex-husband I wouldn't have one of the most important people ever in my life
my oldest daughter so it's you know life throws you these terrible terrible
things that seem so atrocious and so appalling and yet somehow we do get
through them we do and then you look back and think wauw but I got given my
daughter that wouldn't have happened and as I say they
heard deaths infuses the whole Harry Potter series because everything became
a little darker and deeper after she died I've been writing for six months
before she died and then I got to experience or Harry experience
you know I lost one of the people who matter most to me in the whole world and
as I say the books would be very different if she'd lived
what would you say to her I would say look what you did when you always said
but know what happened in living and dying you have given me yeah what exactly exactly
and she I'm very grateful that I had to tell 25 it
wasn't long enough and you never try to provide some research funds for people
to somehow come to a greater understanding of yeah multiple sclerosis
she died from complications to do with her multiple sclerosis multiple
sclerosis doesn't doesn't kill people but the complicate complications
resulting from a disease may she was very unlucky
she had a very severe form of the disease one thing I've learned over the
years that I've been involved with researches and it's part of what's so
strange of an and was something we need to understand about the disease how
variable is so course can be so I really wouldn't want anyone you need to
diagnose to watch this thing God what's going to happen because some people
I've met people you know since becoming involved in research who are doing
just fine and then there are other people like my mother
what progress we have done programs at this table when writing assignment
and it is a fabulous I mean has never a great time to be diagnosed
but there's never been a better time for people with multiple sclerosis
but you know there are treatment options out there now and there's
some great research out there and and alternatives lots of alternatives
for people at your father well we yeah I've discussed this we don't
really have a relationship it was the 2003 was it her I know it's been
a pretty much decades yeah must be yeah why
well I'm I have an aversion to I mean I don't want to speak for anyone but
me so I'm not so from you then because sometimes
I think a relationship is so difficult but that happens and I I don't say
that lightly obviously that's a very big deal but equally
I'm not ashamed to say that I made a decision that I don't regret and that's
where we were but I don't want to go into a really personal stuff because I
do genuinely feel it's unfair when the other person isn't here to have their say
there's also this about you which I found fascinating when we had a
conversation in the morning over at CBS there were people lined up to see you right
and that has I was struck by have meaningful that is to you
off course they want to go and buy this book and they want to go and stand
outside half the night to see you because of what the book has meant to
them it's because of what the book means to him and how could just to touch the
person that said something that well how is a writer couldn't you be incredibly
touched by that I have a particular feeling for people and many of these
people miracles are in their early twenties the people who grew up with
Harry so I think that my books occupied a special
place in their lives they grew up with her year-on-year and now I'm eating
young adults who have that experience and that's incredibly moving to
meet people of that age who ar standing there in front of you saying things
like you're telling you what you meant in their childhood I mean I don't know
I can't imagine anyone would be phenomenal moved by that
it's wonderful and before we leave you this evening
this montage of the Harry Potter film one of the highest grossing combination of
films in the history of movies you've made a mistake I mean I can't be a wizard
I mean I'm just sorry just Harry welcome to Hogwarts
now in a few moments you will pass through these doors and join your
classmates but before you can take your seats you must be sorted into your houses they are
Gryffindor Hufflepuff Ravenclaw and Slytherin
now why you're here your house will be like your family your triumphs
will earn you points any rule-breaking and
you will lose points that, what's that Chamber of Secrets has been opened an amazing
he at where it's written in blood told them Hogwarts is no longer safe
it is as we feared Minerva the Chamber of Secrets has indeed been opened again
isn't he beautiful say hello to Buckbeak we now have our three
champions but in the end only one will go down in history
only one will hoist this palace of champions this special of victory but try was it
He really is out there isn't he we've got to be able to defend ourselves if
I'm refused to teach us how we need someone who will
yeah yeah
you must obey every command I give you without question
yes sure you understand what I'm saying should I tell you to hide you hide
should I tell you to run you run yeah
Stupid help don't be never been to kill don't be only
been to maim or seriously injure Harry Potter is dead
from this day forth you put your faith in me
all your characters right there and take a look at this this is what people have
said to me about you and about the series on this program
rotate tell me who Harry party is in why it is so phenomenally successful
I think it taps into it taps into the basic idea
okay look at myself as a kid when I was growing up in Ohio and out when I was 11
years old have given anything to get a letter from Hogwarts school of
witchcraft and wizardry is saying you know I'm going to take you out of this
is really existed I'm gonna let you escape from this life basically edits
and it's hard these books give people a sense of hope and you can be 8 years
old and feel that you can be 10 or 11 particularly for kids
it gives them a sense of empowerment of Hope saying you can do something
different with your life she's a very easy person to added because
she knows what she's doing and she's very confident and those are the easiest
kind of people to work with because you can give her any kind of feedback
if you're not too worried that she's going to be distressed by and work thrown
by it she knows what she wants and if I just tell her how I react
she knows what to do with it there's also something extra you'll be on the
themes that it speaks to it's just it's just a divine piece of writing itself
divine piece of writing she's a great writer I hope she writes something at
the whole other kind of thing after this so that people believe this a little
that when the last book came out you had me on for and energy remember this you
showed a clip of Harold Bloom saying how terrible these books were and he had
read and accept the first one she she is really extraordinary writer
tell me what the essence of the books is well that's that works in generate thing
that part of the success of of what JK Rowling state is that she crafted this
adventure automatically she dealt with the themes and the characters from an
archetype kind of standpoint so like a fairy tale sins and and fables and I and
then they connect directly into human consciousness yeah the a obviously is not that realistic
kind of universe but the emotions are very real
the emotions are very human even if they're wizards
how do you explain this phenomenon it beats me the only thing I can say that
it connects directly to that I'm saying this because it present presents any
culture right I mean it's a headquarters is big in Japan as it is in England or
in America yeah so I can all are only assume that is
because it carries such a universal energy that the people relate to that
there it is wow thank you thank you very very much thank you for joining us
see you next time
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