We don't want our children living under Sharia law...
...or having to wear burkas. We just can't have that.
I'm against Islam being used...
...to change our German culture here in our country.
We don't want to become the party...
...that forms a small opposition in parliament, like a junior partner.
We want to have the majority.
I regard the democracy as it functions in Germany today...
...as an utterly failed form of government.
Deport! Deport!
The many resistance networks in Germany and the AfD...
...are all part of a great movement...
...to protect our identity, our wealth and our freedom.
A symbol from '89. We have a few minutes.
Do you mean you had already joined in 1989?
And that you... I don't want to be filmed.
In '89 I walked in the famous demonstration in Leipzig.
This newspaper always ended up in the wastepaper bin.
But I kept it.
It has some well-known phrases in it.
The demonstrators... I'll show you.
...are 'routed'. That's what you hear again today.
FREEDOM IS the right to say what others don't want to hear
It struck us that many people are afraid to speak.
It's the same in my family. - You're right.
I can't say where they work, but they told me clearly:
'At work we were told not to join Pegida...
...or there will be consequences.'
I'm out here for my children and grandchildren.
I have no other option.
We grew up in a dictatorship. We know what happened at the workplace.
You had to be careful.
Many of us say: We'd never have thought...
...that this would happen to us again. That we have to go again.
You asked why there are so many pensioners.
That only confirms it. Young people are scared to lose their jobs.
They must make a living.
That's why we pensioners are out here. They can't hurt us anymore.
We can't lose our jobs anymore.
We don't want our children living under Sharia law...
...or having to wear burkas.
When politicians say: 'Germany, piss off' or 'Germany, never again'...
...it makes me sad that German politicians...
...give preference to foreigners over their own people.
We just can't have that.
I tell you: AfD is our hope.
I used to be a classical social democrat, like my parents.
But I noticed that nothing got done.
I thought: That's no good.
AfD began as a hype. People were all fired up.
Today the party has a radical right-wing image.
It's said to despise people. That's bad.
I'm not sure I'd do it again, but...
When I stood for office, for the Dresden council...
...my boss rewarded me by giving me the sack.
That's how it was. I have a new job now.
Being city councillor is a job.
I'm not complaining. It's good.
You said: If I had to decide again, I wouldn't work for AfD.
No, I didn't express myself correctly.
I wouldn't become a member of AfD again.
Isn't that the same thing? - Not quite.
AfD is having its reputation blackened. We don't know what will happen next.
So you support the party objectives? - I have no problem with that.
But you don't like it being blackened.
No. Nobody likes to be called names.
Nobody. - Do they call you names?
Yes, to my face and also indirectly.
When I give a speech, or I tell the mayor I'd like to say something...
...someone from another faction says: The Nazis take the floor again.
all the power comes from the people
Hello, take a seat.
Our institutions no longer reflect what people really think.
They do what they want so much...
...that folks like me begin to vote for AfD.
They always pretend these are stupid people who are deprived.
But I make plenty of money.
I went to college. I have everything I need.
Can I help you? - I'd like the programme.
Do you have it? - Our current party programme?
I don't like that. - Sorry, we're from Dutch television.
Makes no difference. - Our election programme.
It's up to date.
Do you have a license to film here?
I'd like to see it. I'm the owner. I got no requests.
Such people... - One moment.
You're not allowed to film the building. If you have a license I'll believe you.
You didn't apply for a license. You're making a propaganda film here.
Explain it to me.
Continue?
Now she sees how we're always approached in a negative way.
Now they're tarring her with the same brush.
We're always having to deal with that.
So what happens now? - When in doubt, they call the police.
When in doubt, yes.
You can see the polarisation in this country.
You know at once what kind of person he is, the way he behaves.
People are all so aggressive to one another.
Both sides should think about what they're doing.
So it won't come to physical violence.
It's really the left against the right.
Everyone thinks their truth is the only truth.
That way you get lots of people who stop at nothing.
Germany is a country that receives refugees kindly.
And I must say I'm proud of that.
I refuse to play who can be the most unwelcoming so they won't come.
Fear of attacks. Does the threat of terrorism keep you indoors?
The unlimited and uncontrolled migration created dangers.
I'd rather not have a ghetto like Molenbeek in my town.
The first refugees arrived on August 4.
A huge removal van drew up at 11 in the morning.
Two apartments in our building were filled with furniture.
Two beds, two wardrobes, two tables...
...all the basics for a home.
And a small kitchen unit.
A few days later we were having lunch when the door suddenly opened.
Two men came in. Strangers.
They said: We'd like to see the empty apartments.
We're moving some refugees in.
We thought: How is this possible?
We had always chosen new residents ourselves for years.
And now strangers were moving in.
We're a commune, a kind of family. You can't put strangers in.
We were stupefied.
It's your answer to the Word of the Lord.
And then the sixth secret:
That Jesus Christ was received in God's glory...
We were in shock. We said:
How can we possibly have 20 young men walking around here?
I thought: My wardrobe is in the hallway. Things will go missing.
I moved all my things into my room.
It was really shocking that our landlord treated us like that.
Our contacts, through Mr Adler, had been fine for years.
And suddenly they throw this at us.
We were horrified. - I can imagine.
Brigitte and I went to look at the furniture that was brought in.
Brigitte burst into tears and said:
I raised five children and no one ever gave me a new bed for free.
That is strange. - Very odd.
You took your clothes out of the hallway? Thinking: Oh, dear...
I thought: We won't be safe here anymore...
...with strangers coming and going, taking up our kitchen and living room.
We had no idea who these people were.
I tried to get in touch with the landlord three times that day.
But I couldn't get anyone on the phone.
Then the person who's responsible for our house...
...phoned me early the next morning.
I put my complaints to her.
Then she said: Yes, Mr Adler...
...you're having refugees in your house. I don't know who.
And I don't know when.
But it will only enrich your commune.
Merkel must go. Merkel must go.
I walked in the demo twice, to see what it was like.
Once in December, when it started. There were lots of people then.
I found the atmosphere to be very serious and very...
There was a lot of anger and disappointment.
What was your conclusion?
That you should take these people seriously.
And not try to marginalise them.
Find a way to have a conversation with them...
...to see where they are right or wrong.
Don't enhance their fears by not taking them seriously.
It's important to draw the right people in...
...and to acknowledge that not everything on their minds is bad.
The AfD had a party conference.
The antifascists hacked the AfD internet site...
...and put the participants' addresses online.
Home address and mobile number.
And some idiots even added:
'Once these are out of the way, we'll have peace.'
But on Facebook...
I have a lot of Facebook friends. They're decent people.
They criticised Merkel and were then removed from Facebook.
Anything can get you removed.
But nobody cared about that antifascist action.
I hate such actions anyway.
Should it be prohibited? What's your solution?
I hope we realise that if this doesn't stop...
...there will be a serious risk of civil war here too.
My children are such angels.
I'm just afraid...
I've had it good all my life. Peace, safety and prosperity.
I want that for my children too. I don't want them being forced to flee.
When you surf the net and see what people say...
...it's tempting to just ignore it completely.
As a consequence, it has become smaller and more radicalised.
This is an era of polarisation.
There are major differences of opinion among relatives and friends.
It's ruining friendships. That's new.
People who are not opinion makers shake their heads.
They give up, and everything comes together.
It often starts with criticism and irritation.
And then something happens that catalyses it, like fuel to the flames.
Things that smouldered quietly suddenly turn into a blaze.
It sounds like the genie is out of the bottle.
I'm actually shocked...
...by the opinions and discussions you hear these days.
I never thought it would come to this.
Two years ago I'd have said: The country will be calm, like it is now.
But at the moment there are radical developments...
...that I never expected.
And I'm worried about the future. Because I have children too.
I don't read newspapers because I don't trust them.
I don't believe them.
That's why I don't read any papers.
Which words to use for that...
I don't want to use any words that might hurt people's feelings.
But I don't read or trust the newspapers.
Do you think many other Germans feel that way?
The number of subscriptions is going down.
Either people are going off paper...
...or they feel the same way I do. I don't know.
I can't really judge, and I don't want to.
You hear it anyway, what the papers say.
People at the Citizens' Bureau tell each other what's written.
Then you're supposed to have an opinion on the article. I don't want to.
I spare myself that. Life's too short.
The press are lying. The press are lying.
Don't let those self-important so-called comedians...
...those green, left-wing, satirical opinion leaders...
...confuse you when they make cheap TV...
...by making a fool of you.
We haven't had a right-wing populist party in Germany so far.
AfD, now in parliament, is a party serving exactly that group.
Anything right of centre or right of conservative.
Pegida is the road to AfD.
Isn't it an insult to say the press are lying?
We were really upset at first.
We want to bring news that is true.
As one should in journalism.
But now I don't listen anymore.
It makes no difference what we do. Like I said:
If we write about criminal foreigners, we're not liars.
But if we're critical of Pegida or right-wing extremism, we're liars.
He has a criminal record going way back to 1990.
In the late 1990s he was sentenced on 16 counts of burglary.
Funnily enough he avoided punishment by fleeing.
His supporters don't care.
When Lutz Bachmann tells his supporters something...
...to them it's like he preaches the word of God.
We are the people. We are the people. We are the people.
Tatjana Festerling, one of the leaders of Pegida...
...was once an AfD member, in Hamburg.
They made her leave. She was too right-wing.
But now AfD has taken a huge step in Ms Festerling's direction.
Their points of view are more and more clearly right-wing.
Pegida is the only concrete form of resistance in Germany...
...which also makes it the only visible one.
How else are you supposed to offer resistance?
Once every four years you get a chance to fill in your ballot papers.
To feel sovereign. That lasts exactly three seconds.
That's the time you need to tick two boxes.
The rest of the time you can attend election rallies, of course.
But the individual has no opportunity for official protest.
Students are bullied when they're seen with Pegida.
All German students are expected to shout 'refugees welcome'.
Without any ifs or buts.
There's moral terror, there's opinion dictatorship.
There's a one-sidedness to what is morally correct.
It makes any open debate and any form of protest impossible.
That's what we learned through Pegida.
We are patriots. We fight for the interests of our nation.
And we combat the anti-German politics of the establishment.
Look at Neukölln in Berlin, or parts of the Ruhr Area.
Marxloh in Duisburg is always mentioned.
Hagen, where I live... I don't recognise it anymore.
We had parallel communities there for decades.
We Germans never demanded that people must assimilate.
I use that word on purpose.
Because the Turkish president, Erdogan...
...rejects precisely that.
He radically rejects that kind of integration.
And now, give him a big hand: Hans Thomas Tillschneider.
This is a great honour for me.
Pegida has done wonderful things for our country.
The days when we accepted Islam as a fixed part of Germany...
...are over once and for all, thanks to Pegida.
And the days when we just accepted...
...what one Angela Merkel told us from the top...
...that we had to allow mosques in our cities.
Those days...
Those day are over once and for all, thanks to Pegida.
So today I say: Thank you, Pegida.
There are regular stalkers out there who often tell me on Facebook...
...that I'm a Nazi slut and I should be gassed.
Even that I should be locked up in a concentration camp.
It used to upset me at first.
Because I'm not doing anything unreasonable.
I dedicate myself to freedom. I think that's our highest good.
I'm not right-wing or a Nazi or anything like that.
I'm reasonable.
I'm against the Islam being used...
...to change our German culture here in our country...
...to push it out and make it look evil.
It's the duty of all Germans to oppose that.
And...
Resistance. Resistance.
There's an increasing censorship caused by political correctness.
So you become afraid to say something...
...that is not currently in line with public opinion.
I think that's a bad sign because it actually heralds...
...the end of a democratic culture.
Opposition is part of a democracy.
That involves making room for unpleasant opinions.
You can never say: That opinion is bad, evil and wrong.
Even if you might think so from a certain perspective.
The real question is: Where did that come from?
Why does a person feel that way? Why would someone use violence?
No one is born a Nazi or a violent criminal.
It's always the result of influences during one's upbringing...
...or relationship trouble or social problems.
For politicians and the media and public figures...
...it's always a good idea...
...to ask themselves in those cases: What went wrong?
What's our mistake? What did we miss or underestimate?
What should be done...
...to stop this radicalisation from growing? That's the task.
Mobile Citizens' Bureau
What would you like to have? Please come in.
Could you take the camera away? - I only film your hands.
I'd rather you filmed nothing.
Don't film my face.
The back of your head, is that alright? - Yes, OK.
I'll just launch straight into it. My father is a refugee, from Syria.
My mother is from Bolivia. You want to kick refugees out, right?
Yes. But refugee is a word that needs to be distinguished.
Economic or war. - Yes, there are different notions.
Economic refugees are not refugees. They're immigrants.
Every country has the right, and should have the right...
...to determine who is useful. It sounds dumb, but it's true.
A business doesn't hire just anyone, only qualified people.
It's the same for a state. Why should we invite people here...
...or allow them to come in if they're going to live on welfare?
You flee from persecution or death.
Or poverty. - That's not a real refugee.
Yes, it is. Look, I don't know you, but I'm pretty sure...
...that you never experienced real poverty.
In Bolivia it's not even all that bad.
And yet you're always on the breadline. That's called poverty.
That's why we came here. We fled.
It wasn't like: Hey, let's take a look over there.
We are refugees too.
Our means are limited. - That has nothing to do with it.
It has a lot to do with it. - But a human life is more important.
Let's take a simple example. Think about your own home.
How many people could you take in?
How many people could you feed?
How many bowls do you have?
Some days there were eight people living with us.
There are limits there too.
Don't you see what the real problem is?
The real problem is that people... - Money. That's the problem.
2% of the world's population possess more than...
The problem at hand is much more fundamental.
The problem is not Islam, and it's not Pegida either, obviously.
They both highlight something else:
We must realise the economy can't go on like this...
...with its unjust and unfair trade and exploitation.
We must find a new, social way of living.
We're in a critical phase globally...
...of a struggle, you might say a social world war...
...between the rich and the poor.
There's been colonialism and exploitation.
Now the tables are slowly turning. Those who were disadvantaged...
...and exploited and forced to live in poor circumstances...
...will no longer put up with it. Which makes sense.
The flow of refugees is turning towards Europe.
They finally want their piece of the pie and share in the wealth.
It's understandable.
And then it becomes clear that there are limits. This doesn't work.
So there's only one possible policy:
Not to work on integration for refugees, not to let everyone in...
...but to make sure the inequity is solved.
It's the cause of poverty that must be combatted.
Because it's poverty that creates such a flow of refugees.
You said earlier you're a little scared.
Yes, I'm worried about too much foreign influence...
...and about our generosity backfiring.
So our young women can't wear miniskirts or low tops anymore...
...and we'll all be forced to wear veils.
Pegida is against islamisation of the Occident.
I don't want us Christians to have to conceal our opinions.
I don't want us to be intimidated by mosques and minarets.
I worry about that.
Can't they go together?
You'd think so. But people aren't like that.
Ideally everyone would live together in brotherhood...
...and all religions would work together.
But I think that in many of these camps...
...there are extremists too. Fundamentalists.
I'm afraid of them.
Since not all our residents had made their peace with the idea...
...I said: Listen.
There's no avoiding this now.
Let's welcome them this Saturday with coffee and cakes.
We invited them all into our communal living room.
We had waffles, cookies, chocolates, hot chocolate, milk.
And it was a very harmonious event.
I saw someone walking towards us down the long hallway.
It was a very young woman with a tiny baby on her arm...
...in a nappy.
The front door key was dangling off her finger. It was Momena.
And Momena had a baby who was five days old.
Are you making injera again tonight?
That's delicious.
Our guests are from Eritrea and Somalia.
My family is from Iraq. - Iraq, yes.
Up here there are three men... - Not related. Kurds.
My mother speaks Arabic and a little German.
Do you understand Pegida saying it can't be done, it's dangerous?
I feel ambivalent about that.
On the one side I like our refugees.
We get along really well. It's nice to have them here.
But the big picture is all those millions of refugees...
...and us maybe having to work to the age of 70 to cover the costs.
That worries people. Where do we get the money?
Who's paying for this, at the end of the day?
I'm afraid the taxpayer will be saddled with it eventually.
Part of the Pegida movement...
...feels very strongly about nationalism.
They're afraid the German nation will dwindle.
That more and more and foreigners will be born...
...and Germany may be destroyed. As I understand it.
Our cultural heritage is what our ancestors gave us.
In New York they have many nationalities and cultures co-existing.
We see the same tendency in our big cities in the densely populated areas.
It's no longer a community, but a multi-ethnic state...
...like Yugoslavia once was. And we all know what happened there.
We're not an immigration country like the US where people come from all over.
We have a high level of civilisation.
And our high civilisation is entitled to be preserved.
They said on the radio that the numbers are going down.
16,000 in April, against 20,000 in March.
The numbers seem to indicate it.
But no one knows how many people are on the move.
If I understand the UNHCR data correctly...
...they're similar to last year.
How many of these people will end up with us...
...remains to be seen. It's up to the politicians.
Completely normal. - Unbelievable.
Have you been here before? - Only outside.
But did you see what it was like here a year ago?
What's the capacity? - This facility is for 500 people.
They reduced it, I'm happy to say.
So no more refugees arrive now that the borders are closed.
Won't that solve the problem?
Last summer we also hoped Pegida or right-wing populism would vanish.
And then that wave of refugees came.
That made Pegida grow again.
So I'm not making any predictions about Pegida.
No idea if they'll still be around next year.
Maybe it will turn into a sect of a few hundred people.
AfD realised that earlier. They focus on Islam now.
Refugees are still an issue...
...but they're looking for another one, just to be sure.
Something alien, something un-German that they feel doesn't belong here.
And that's Islam.
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