1) Our first comment is from Alexander G who had this to say...
This argument has always perplexed me.
Is it better to live a short life of torment, fear and death, or not live at all?
Perhaps others will have a different opinion, however i would not want to live at all.
If we look back in history when slaves were brought over from Africa to the new world,
there was a high rate of death on these ships from disease and suicide.
These once free men and women, coming to grips with their future as property chose to end
it all.
You can find it even in today's society, especially in the LGBT community, where children
and teens are bullied by their peers to such an extent that they find escape only through
ending their lives.
We also see it in the highly debated physician-assisted suicides, where terminally ill patients in
tremendous pain and anguish wish to die early.
We can clearly see that when we talk about humans and suffering we can see, right or
wrong, a willingness to end ones own life to end suffering, yet when it comes to other
animals, of the non-human variety, we seem to protect our desire for flesh and the continuation
of exploitation of the animals life and body.
On to this supposed self-righteousness that vegans are often accused of.
Sure there are asshole vegans and vegetarians, but don't kid yourself, you have a healthy
supply of them in the general public too.
Do you go around accusing people who are against racisim as "Self-righteous"?
How would you feel if a person who thinks that slavery or racisim or sexism is a good
thing came up to you accused you of being self-righteous because you believe that these
beliefs are morally wrong?
People are extremely sensitive regarding their personal lifestyle choices, everything from
diet, weight, smoking, religion, politics and fashion, if anyone makes a critical comment
regarding any of these topics the gloves come off.
If the critical comment pertains to moral and immoral behaviour, the tolerance level
drops off the scale.
Nobody likes their actions and habits criticized because nearly everyone has a high opinion
of themselves, and their beliefs are part of their identity.
Human history is fraught with immoral beliefs, held by people who defended them tooth and
nail.
Veganism requires an examination of many of our daily choices.
Everything from what we choose to put in our mouth 3 times or more a day, to what kind
of clothing and furniture we buy.
I couldnt care less what you think of me as a person, as my vegan activism is motivated
by justice and NOT any self-centred ego masterbation.
2) Our second comment is from C SamsZee who said...
CSamszee starts off with the identical argument that our previous commenter did, so i will
not repeat myself here again.
Onto his support of supposedly free range animal products that he feels give the animals
the best life possible.
Firstly, the best life possible would be one where the animal is not human property.
The animal's life, relationships, choice of home, freedom of movement belongs to the
animal him or herself.
Many of the animals we have domesticated to eat were descendant from animals that roamed
vast tracks of land, and chose who they interacted with and who they mated with.
No animal farming operation today can fully recreate a truly free life for farmed animals
and remain profitable.
Secondly, this fantasy of "free range" is more about marketing than about any real
animal welfare improvements.
The term "free range" has no legal meaning, and no government regulation.
The same applies to terms like "cage free" or "humanely raised".
These terms are more about making people feel better about consuming animal products and
thereby increase sales and profits, and less about any concern for the animals.
And Thirdly, we do not need to eat animals to be healthy.
The issue should not be about How we treat animals, but rather should be focused on Why
we use them at all.
We have no nutritional requirement to eat other animals, and we can be perfectly healthy
on a fully vegan diet, then what justification do we have for enslaving and killing even
well treated animals?
If its wrong to harm animals unnecessarily, this would surely include instances where
we harm animals for fun or pleasure.
Is that not the primary reason why we allow 56+ billion animals killed each year? for
palate pleasure?
On to the comment regarding dairy.
In order for dairy cows to produce milk, they must be made pregnant.
This results in a baby calf.
Some of these calfs are raised to be future dairy cows, while many others end up in the
meat industry as veal.
When the dairy cow's milk supply begins to diminish she is sent off to slaughter to
be made into burgers or pet food.
Dairy cows live longer, torturous lives, with infected utters, have their young ones taken
away from them and than slaughtered all the same.
If forced with violence, i would sooner eat a steak than consume dairy, as there is more
suffering in a glass of milk than in a piece of meat.
3)Next we have a comment from je187u who said...
You may not care much about other sentient non-human animals, but some people, like myself
do.
Its not that I care less for humans and more for animals, i care for all animals regardless
of their species.
My reasons to go vegan are primarily regarding the moral argument, but there are very strong
cases to be made that being vegan is also generally healthier, better for the environment
and the health of the planet, and better for humans as a social matter.
The reason i focus my attention and videos on the plight of non-human animals is that
i see a lack of attention on this issue.
There are multi-million dollar charities across the whole planet working on human issues,
and comparatively few working on issues that relate to non-human animals.
As a vegan I realize that its not only about the animals we enslave and kill for food,
but its also part of a larger social justice movement.
Fighting to end slavery, end discrimination, improve the rights of minorities, women's
rights, are issues of justice and fairness, and It is the time to extend our fight to
the rights of sentient beings outside our species.
Im not suggesting that cows should have the right to vote, or chickens the right to hold
office, I'm fighting for the one right to not be solely the property of another.
As property, animals do not have the right to their own bodies, and their owners have
the legal right to terminate them at any point for any reason.
It is my contention that we should fight to end the property status of animals and to
join with other social justice issues to combat discrimination based upon irrelevant criteria,
irrespective of species.
4) trucker9358 wanted to inform us that...
As an atheist, i do not believe in gods due to the entire lack of evidence to justify
belief.
For that reason, the bible holds no authority to me as it is just another book that makes
grand claims that cannot be verified to be true.
Quoting passages from its pages to defend animal exploitation is utterly a waste of
time because i couldn't care less what it has to say.
The morality of a society 2000 years ago has little bearing on my worldview today.
If i were to accept certain passages in the bible as true, than i would have to hold views
on slavery, rape, genocide, murder and science that i am not prepared to have.
My worldview is far more morally centred than anything contained within the bible, quran
or the torah.
5)And rounding of the list this week is a comment from moonbeamrider1 who said...
I am by no means a health professional, and at best i can direct you to more qualified
people, however this nonsense regarding the health benefits of saturated fat is horrible
advice is dangerous and unethical.
The Paleo diet, a group of people who strive to eat the diet of the cavemen, proclaim that
saturated fat is beneficial, yet these claims are in the face of hundreds of studies to
the contrary.
Saturated fats, primarily found in animal products, have been deemed unsafe and the
suggestion of all leading health organizations and health professionals is to reduce or eliminate
it from one's diet.
Medical, heart-health, and governmental authorities, such as the World Health Organization,[7]
the American Dietetic Association,[8] the Dietitians of Canada,[8] the British Dietetic
Association,[9] American Heart Association,[10] the British Heart Foundation,[11] the World
Heart Federation,[12] the British National Health Service,[13] the United States Food
and Drug Administration,[14] and the European Food Safety Authority[15] advise that saturated
fat is a risk factor for cardiovascular, which is the leading causes of death worldwide as
shown in this WHO graph.
There are a few authors making claims, however its more about making outrages claims to entice
book sales than to improve the health of an already unhealthy society.
POLL: There you have it.
5 stupid comments from 5 different youtubers.
Which comment would you vote to win the Dumbass of the week award?
Would it be:
1) Alexander G who thinks its better to live a life of torment than not to live at all
2) CSamszee who thinks that animals should live the best possible life, therefore he
eats free range 3) je187u thinks that you can care for humans
or animals, but not both 4) trucker9358 who gets his morality from
the bible or
5) moonbeamrider1 who thinks that all leading health organizations have it wrong and the
solution to heart disease is more saturated fat.
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