trump transition team.
Good morning, congresswoman.
>> Good morning.
>> Let's talk about first this
vote last night of Republicans
behind closed doors to
effectively kill the office of
congressional ethics.
Were you part of that vote?
>> It doesn't kill the office of
congressional ethics.
What it does is to bring it
under the jurisdiction or the
oversight, if you will, of the
committee on ethics.
And it provides individuals to
the -- the opportunity to have
some due recourse and to know
who is accusing them, which is
not something that individuals
have known and members of both
conferences have wanted to see
this type transparency brought
to the office.
And so it was the will of the
house conference, that was the
vote, and it will go to the
floor as the rules change.
My hope is what you will see is
more transparency.
You will see individuals with
the opportunity to know who is
accusing them and that will --
we will see matters resolved in
a more timely manner.
>> Congresswoman, did you vote
for it?
>> I did vote for it.
Yes.
>> So basically it is congress
now policing itself.
>> That is what the committee on
ethics always has been.
>> That was an independent
group.
That was an independent group.
>> This is an independent group.
>> Operated independently.
>> That is right.
>> That's gone now.
>> And anybody -- no, not at
all.
Not at all.
It is still there.
It will be the office of
complaint review, individuals
can file a complaint but the
difference is individuals are
going to have -- those that are
accused will have the
opportunity to know who is
accusing them.
This is a move that is supported
by individuals in each
conference, Democrat and
Republican.
If someone is being accuse of
something, let somebody know who
is accusing them.
>> Sure.
>> Where the complaints are
coming from.
>> Sure.
Fair enough.
>> It makes sense to do that.
And then to have the oversight
from the committee on ethics and
I'll remind you the committee on
ethics is a completely equal
bipartisan committee.
>> Okay.
So why -- since you say that it
is bipartisan and you're making
the compelling case that it's
all on the up and up.
Why do it the night before
congress officially -- the new
congress is sworn in and why do
it behind closed doors?
>> This is the time that the
conferences meet.
And this is the time that the
rules package is voted on.
So it becomes a matter of
scheduling and doing something
that is going to be in place for
the entire -- for the entire
congress.
So it's a matter of timing and
it is the matter -- the manner
in which the house approaches
its business.
You put your rules and your
process in place and then you
move forward for the organizing
and convening of the 115th
congress which we're going to do
at noon today.
>> Congresswoman, we've spoken
to some Democrats this morning
who felt blind sided by this.
They're not happy with the vote
that you all took.
And basically their argument is,
if it's such a great move why
not open it to debate, why not
do it during daylight?
>> Well, this is something that
has been discussed for quite a
period of time.
And quite frankly, it doesn't
matter if -- what the vote is.
You're going to have Democrats
who are unhappy with anything
that is done by Republicans or
in a bipartisan manner or you're
going to have them complain
about making changes whether
it's to a rule or to the EPA or
to the changing of Obamacare or
the changing of the tax code.
>> I understand.
You're not all in lockstep.
>> It's not going that partisan
bickering.
You just kind of expect it and
you do the right thing and you
move on.
>> Okay.
But what's your response to when
they say, how does this drain
the swamp?
>> What it will do is provide
more transparency.
Any time you can provide more
accountability and more
transparency to any process that
is in place, then you're going
to take another step toward
draining the swamp and I am all
for draining the swamp.
I think that anyone who knows me
knows that.
I've spent much of my career
working on reducing the size,
the scope, and the cost of the
federal government and in its
place putting accountability and
transparency.
>> Sure.
And so you understand as a
champion of transparency why
something -- a vote that happens
with only Republicans at night
behind closed doors gives the
impression of something sneaky
happening.
>> Most people would say 5:00 in
the afternoon is not at night.
But, you know, we could discuss
that.
It does start getting dark
outside.
>> Well, you know, behind -- you
get the point.
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