[ * ]
>> Rosemary: THIS IS PARLIAMENT
HILL TONIGHT, QUIET NOW AFTER A
BUSY DAAY, THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT
REVEALED HOW IT PLANS TO SPEND
YOUR MONEY, FROM WOMEN TO
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES,S, FAMILIES
AND MORE, BUT A BIG FOCUS OF THE
BUDGDGET IS RIGHT IN THERE.
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS WHERE THE
LIBERALS WANT TO KEEP THEIR
MAJORITY IN NEXT YEAR'S
ELECTION.
TONIGHT, WE'RE HERE TO BREAK
DOWN WHAT THE BUDGET MEAEANS FOR
THEM AND YOU.
I'M ROSEMARY BARTON.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL".
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>> Rosemary: TONIGHT WE'VE GOT
YOU COVERED ON BUDGET.
>> WILL CHANGES TO PARENTAL
LEAVE LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD
FOR WOMEN?
>> THE LIBERALS ARE TALKING
ABOUT PHARMACARE AGAIN, BUT WILL
CANADA EVER SEE UNIVERSAL DRUG
COVERAGE?
>> AND OF COURSE, "AT ISSUE" IS
HERE, BUT LETS START WITH THE
BIG PICTURE, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
IN SPENDING THAT TAKE THE
COUNTRY DEEPER INTO THE RED.
>>> GENDER EQUALITY, NEW
MEASURES AIMED AT MORE WOMEN IN
THE WORKFORCE AND CLOSING THAT
GENDER GAP, INCLUDING MORE THAN
A BILLION DOLLARS TOWARD
PARENTAL LEAVE.
COMMUNITY WOMEN'S ORGANIZATIONS
AND PROMOTING PAY EQUITY.
THEY'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THE GAP
BETWEEN INDIGENOUS AND
NON-INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES.
ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, CHILD
WELFARE, HOUSING AND CLEAN
DRINKING WATER.
AND THERE IS A BIG INVESTMENT IN
SCIENCE, RESEARCH AND
INNOVATION.
THE GOVERNMENT INVESTING
BILLIONS WITH THE HOPE IT WILL
FURTHER STIMULATE THE ECONOMY.
BUT THIS BUDGET ISN'T JUST ABOUT
FULFILLING PROMISES MADE IN THE
LAST ELECTION, IT'S ALSO ABOUT
WINNING THE NEXT ONE.
DAVID COCHRANE NOW ON HOW THE
GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING AND WHY.
>> BUDGET 2018 IS A PLAN THAT
RESPECTS THE CHOICE THAT
CANADIANS MADE A LITTLE OVER TWO
YEARS AGO.
>> Reporter: AND THE CHOICE
CANADIANS WILL MAKE NEXT YEAR,
SO BILL MORNEAU IS BUILDING A
FISCAL FIRE WALL.
>> WE KNOW THAT DIVERSITY IN THE
WORKFORCE BOOSTS PRODUCTIVITY
AND PROFITABILITY.
>> Reporter: THE HEAVY FOCUS ON
BOOSTING OPPORTUNITY FOR WOMEN
IS THE PITCH TO THE WOMEN VOTERS
WHO ALREADY HEAVILY SUPPORT THE
LIBERALS, BUT COULD BE WOOED BY
THE N.D.P.
THEN THERE IS THE LAUNCH OF THE
NATIONAL PHARMACARE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE.
>> A STUDY TO EVALUATE AND
ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND A PATH
FORWARD ON PHARMACARE TO PUT
CANADIANS FIRST.
>> Reporter: A SIGNATURE N.D.P.
PROMISE NOW POTENTIALLY ON TRACK
TO BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE
LIBERALS.
>> THIS IS A FANTASY.
WE DON'T SEE EVEN A SINGLE
DOLLAR OF INVESTMENT IN A PLAN
TO IMPLEMENT PHARMACARE.
>> Reporter: IT ALL STACKS ON
TOPS OF BILLIONS OF ANNOUNCED
INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING AND
BILLIONS MORE FOR SCIENCE
RESEARCH AT UNIVERSITIES.
THE BULK OF IT POURED INTO URBAN
CENTRES THAT SKEW LIBERAL OR
SWITCH WITH THE N.D.P.
IT ALL SEEMS LASER FOCUSED ON
CONSOLIDATING THE TRUDEAU
COALITION THAT DELIVERED THE
2015 MAJORITY.
BUT HERE'S THE SAD REALITY AFTER
THREE YEARS OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
NEVER HAS A POLITICIAN BOASTED
SO LOUDLY AND SPENT SO MUCH TO
ACHIEVE SO LITTLE.
>> Reporter: THIS BUDGET ADDS
NEARLY $100 BILLION TO THE DEBT.
THE DEFICIT REDUCES OVER TIME,
BUT THERE IS NO PLAN TO BALANCE
THE BOOKS.
JUST TO KEEP SPENDING RIGHT TO
THE END OF A POTENTIAL SECOND
TERM IN OFFICE.
>> UNEMPLOYMENT RATES ARE NEAR
THE LOWEST WE'VE SEEN THEM IN 40
YEARS.
MR. SPEAKER, OUR PLAN IS WORKING
BECAUSE CANADIANS ARE WORKING.
>> Reporter: THAT IS THE
POLITICAL CALCULATION HERE.
THAT CANADIANS ARE MORE WORRIED
ABOUT THEIR JOBS AND THEIR BANK
ACCOUNTS THAN WHAT IS IN THE
GOVERNMENT'S.
>> Rosemary: SO THAT'S THE
DOMESTIC POLITICS, ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT DIDN'T GET MENTIONED
AT ALL, DONALD TRUMP.
AND NOTHING AROUND THAT.
>> NO, HE'S EVERYWHERE EXCEPT IN
THIS BUDGET.
THE GOVERNMENT GOING INTO THIS
IS UNDER PRESSURE TO MATCH THE
DEEP TAX CUTS THAT DONALD TRUMP
CUT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, THAT
ARGUMENT COMING FROM BUSINESS
LEADERS FROM MANLY, THAT THIS
MADE CANADA LESS COMPETITIVE.
THERE IS PRESSURE HERE FOR BILL
MORNEAU TO RESPOND.
HE DIDN'T.
HE SAID CANADA IS STILL STUDYING
THE U.S. TAX CUTS.
THE REGULATIONS ARE BEING
WRITTEN AND THEY DON'T WANT TO
MAKE IMPULSIVE DECISION.
AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO GO
LOOKING FOR TAX CUTS.
EXPECT CRITICISM ON THIS ACTION,
ESPECIALLY FROM THE
CONSERVATIVES, BUT IT'S A FIGHT
THE LIBERALS ARE PREPARED TO
HAVE.
THEY'LL SAY, WELL, BIGGER
DEFICITS.
YOU DON'T LIKE THE DEFICITS WE
HAVE, OR IT MEANS CUTTING
PROGRAMMES, TAKING MONEY AWAY
FROM INDIGENOUS CANADIANS,
SINGLE PARENTS OR PARENTS.
>> Rosemary: DAVID COCHRANE,
THANK YOU.
THE BUDGET REALLY FOCUSED ON
CLOSING THE GENDER GAP.
IN FACT, OF 376 PAGES, I'VE READ
ALMOST EVERY ONE -- NOT YET --
NEARLY EVERY ONE HAD MENTION OF
WOMEN, FEMINISM OR EQUALITY.
ONE MEASURE THAT COULD HAVE
IMPACT FOR FAMILIES?
>> Adrienne: THAT'S THE CHANGES
TO PARENTAL LEAVE THAT THE
GOVERNMENT ARGUES COULD GET MORE
WOMEN BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE.
LET'S LOOK AT WHAT IS CHANGING.
SO CURRENTLY PARENTS CAN SPLIT
35 WEEKS OF EI BENEFITS AT 55%
OF THEIR PAYCHEQUE AND SPREAD IT
OUT AND ACCEPT LOWER PAY OVER A
LONGER PERIOD.
USUALLY IT'S MOM TAKING THE
LEAF.
NOW THERE IS EXTRA FIVE WEEKS
FOR THE PARENT TO DIDN'T GIVE
BERTH TO SHARE THE WORK.
>> WAS THIS UNUSUAL?
THIS DEPENDS ON THE PART OF THE
GLOBE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
BROADLY 95 COUNTRIES HAVE PAID
LEAVE AVAILABLE FOR THE
NON-BIRTH APPARENTLY.
29 COUNTRIES HAVE WHAT THEY CALL
A DESIGNATED SEPARATE PATERNITY
LEAVE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY
AND TIME VARIES.
THERE IS ONE IMPORTANT EXAMPLE
RIGHT HERE AT HOME.
QUÉBEC.
IT STARTED GIVING FIVE WEEKS OF
LEAVE FOR THE SECOND PARENT IN
2005.
SINCE THEN, NEW FATHERS IN
QUÉBEC CLAIMING PATERNAL
BENEFITS SHORED FROM LESS THAN
30% TO 80% AND REST OF CANADA
IT'S LIKE 12%.
THE DATA SUGGESTS THE MORE
PARENTS SHARE, THE BETTER IT IS
FOR WOMEN.
>> WHEN FATHERS TAKE PATERNITY
LEAVE, A COUPLE OF THINGS
HAPPEN.
ONE, WOMEN DON'T FEEL AS
ISOLATED, THAT THEY'RE BEARING
THE WHOLE BURDEN OF PROVIDING
CARE IN THAT FIRST YEAR.
SECOND, THEY TEND TO RETURN TO
THE PAID LABOUR FORCE SOONER.
>> Adrienne: QUÉBEC
JEAN-FRANCOIS BISSETTE TOOK THE
LEAVE WITH EACH OF HIS FOUR
KIDS.
>> I GOT TO SPEND TIME WITH MY
DAUGHTER.
MY WIFE GOT TO CHANGE CAREERS.
SHE SPENT TIME LEARNING NEW JOB
AND IT WAS JUST DAD BOOT CAMP
101.
>> Adrienne: BUT QUÉBEC TOOK THE
IDEA, EXPANDING IT, COMBINING
THE PARENTAL LEAVE WITH THE
PROVINCE-WIDE DAYCARE PROGRAMME.
THE NEW FEDERAL BUDGET DOESN'T
DO THAT, SO RIGHT AWAY THE
COMPLAINTS CAME THAT THE LEAVE
IS NOT NEAR ENOUGH.
>> TO MOVE WOMEN, TO CHANGE
THEIR DECISION FROM STAYING OUT
OF THE WORKFORCE TO ENTERING,
YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE
THE BILLION DOLLAR DAYCARE IN
QUÉBEC.
>> Adrienne: HERE'S SOMETHING TO
KEEP IN MIND, THE BUDGET DOESN'T
ADD NEW MONEY FOR THIS.
THE CHANGES WILL COME FROM THE
$7.5 BILLION CHILDCARE WINDFALL
ANNOUNCED LAST FALL.
THE NEW LEAVE PLAN IS EXPECTED
TO COST ABOUT $1.2 BILLION OVER
FIVE YEARS.
AND SINCE TIMING IS ALWAYS
EVERYTHING, IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE NEW
BENEFITS DON'T KICK IN UNTIL
JUNE OF 2019, JUST IN TIME FOR
THE NEXT ELECTION.
SO HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF
ODDITY, FATHERS IN JAPAN AND
SOUTH KOREA HAVE THE BEST
BENEFITS IN THE WORLD.
IT'S IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD OF 12
MONTHS OF PAID LEAVE, ROUGHLY
60% OF THE SALARIES AND YET ONLY
2-3% ARE TAKING IT BECAUSE THEY
SEEM TO THINK OTHER PEERS WILL
LOOK DOWN ON THEM IF THEY DO.
SOME CHANGES DON'T TAKE ALL THAT
QUICKLY.
LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT ONE OF THE
COMMITMENTS IN THE BUDGET THAT
DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY ATTACHED,
BUT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
>> Andrew: YOU CAN SAY THAT
AGAIN.
A NATIONAL DRUG PLAN IS BEING
TALKED ABOUT.
YET AGAIN.
ADVISORY GROUP IS GOING TO LOOK
AT WAYS TO PROVIDE PRESCRIPTION
DRUG COVERAGE FOR ALL, BUT THIS
DISCUSSION IS DECADES OLD AND
THIS PROMISE HAS BEEN MADE
BEFORE.
>> Reporter: MONEY SO TIGHT,
SHELLEY WIGHAM-D'ANGELO NEVER
EATS OUT, DESPITE HAVING TWO
JOBS, SHE HAS NO DRUG PLAN.
AFTER FOOD AND RENT THERE WASN'T
ENOUGH LEFT TO PAY FOR HEART
MEDICATION.
THEN LAST SUMMER, SHE HAD A
HEART ATTACK.
>> I WAS EMBARRASSED, I DIDN'T
WANT TO TELL ANYBODY I WOULDN'T
AFFORD IT.
>> Reporter: A RECENT SURVEY
FOUND 1 IN 5 CANADIAN HOUSEHOLDS
STRUGGLES TO PAY FOR
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
>> WHAT DOES IT SAY WHEN WE'RE
PUTTING OUR FELLOW CITIZENS IN
THESE POSITIONS TO MAKE AWFUL
CHOICES?
>> Reporter: THIS FAMILY DOCTOR
IS ENCOURAGED, FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WITH PHARMACARE.
THE COUNCIL JOB WON'T BE TO
DECIDE IF THIS SHOULD PAY FOR
DRUGS, BUT HOW.
>> IT CAN'T REHASH THE QUESTION
AND ASK ONCE AGAIN, DO WE NEED
TO EXPAND MEDICAL CARE TO
INCLUDE PUBLIC DRUGS?
BECAUSE WE DO.
>> Reporter: IT WAS FIRST
ANSWERED 50 YEARS AGO IN THE
ORIGINAL BLUEPRINT FOR MEDICAL
CARE.
THE CHRETIEN LIBERALS CAMPAIGNED
ON BRINGING PHARMACARE INTO
REALITY, BUT SIX MONTHS AFTER
GETTING ELECTED THE HEALTH
MINISTER SAID IT WAS
UNAFFORDABLE.
>> SURE, WE CAN COMPLETELY
AFFORD IT.
>> Reporter: THIS HEALTH
ECONOMIST SAYS A PHARMACARE PLAN
MIGHT SEEM EXPENSIVE.
IN CANADA, $28 BILLION WAS SPENT
ON PRESCRIPTIONS IN ONE YEAR,
BUT THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER
COUNTRIES SHOWS A SINGLE DRUG
BUYER CAN NEGOTIATE LOWER PRICES
FOR COMMON MEDICATIONS, THOUGH
SOME EXPENSIVE DRUGS MAY NOT BE
COVERED IN THE PUBLIC SYSTEM.
>> THERE IS REAL ADVANTAGES IN
TERMS OF HAVING BETTER
BARGAINING POWER AS A NATIONAL
INSURER.
>> Reporter: SHELLEY
WIGHAM-D'ANGELO NOW BUYS THE
SAME MEDICATION THAT MIGHT HAVE
KEPT HER OUT OF THE HOSPITAL,
SAVING HER SUFFERING AND THE
SYSTEM MONEY.
THE UNEVEN REALITY OF CANADIAN
HEALTH CARE.
>> Andrew: SO HOW DOES CANADA
STACK UP?
IT IS THE ONLY INDUSTRIALIZED
NATION WITH A UNIVERSAL HEALTH
CARE SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T COVER
ESSENTIAL MEDICATIONS.
AND TAKE A LOOK.
ON AVERAGE, NEW ZEALANDERS SPEND
THE LEAST ON PHARMACEUTICALS,
JUST $23 PER PERSON PER YEAR,
COMPARED TO $158 IN CANADA.
A PRIME EXAMPLE OF BULK BUYING,
NEW ZEALAND CAN NEGOTIATE LOWER
PRICES BECAUSE IT'S BUYING DRUGS
FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
>> Rosemary: THERE IS PLENTY OF
OTHER MEASURES IN THE BUDGET.
HERE'S A FEW MORE OF THEM.
THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED TODAY
NEW MONEY TO FIGHT THE OPOID
CRISIS, THAT HAS CLAIMED
THOUSANDS OF LIVES ACROSS
CANADA.
$150 MILLION EMERGENCY FUND WILL
BE SET UP FOR PROVINCES TO
LAUNCH TREATMENT PROGRAMMES.
OTTAWA SEEMS TO BE EMBRACING THE
#METOO MOVEMENT, SETTING ASIDE
MONEY FOR A NEW UNIT TO REVIEW
SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES THAT WERE
DROPPED BY INVESTIGATORS AS
UNFOUNDED.
AND THE COUNTRY'S NATIONAL PARKS
WILL BE PERMANENTLY FREE FOR
KIDS.
THIS COMES ON THE HEELS OF
CANADA SOO AND LAST YEAR
EVERYONE COULD ENTER PARKS AT NO
CHARGE.
IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS.
JOINING ME NOW, THE FINANCE
MINISTER, BILL MORNEAU.
>> HAPPY TO BE HERE.
>> Rosemary: LET'S START WITH
ONE THE THINGS THAT IS NOT IN
THE BUDGET, THERE WAS A PLEDGE
OF PARENTAL LEAVE, WHAT THERE
WAS NOT, WAS ANYTHING FOR
CHILDCARE AND YOU SAY THAT
ACCESS TO CHILDCARE IS A BIG
CONCERN.
1 IN 4 FAMILIES HAVE ACCESS TO
REGULATED CHILDCARE.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT GETTING WOMEN
INTO THE WORKFORCE REQUIRES
BETTER CHILDCARE, WHY NOT COMMIT
TO MORE THERE?
>> THIS IS IMPORTANT, YOU'RE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
BUT LET'S RECOGNIZE THAT CANADA
IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL
COUNTRY.
WE PUT $7.5 BILLION OVER 11
YEARS.
WHAT YOU SAW, YOU CAN SEE IT
INTO THE BUDGET, PROVINCES HAVE
CHOSEN DIFFERENT APPROACHS TO
APPROACH CHILDCARE, THERE IS
DIFFERENT APPROACHES EVERYWHERE
AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW IS
LET'S MAINTAIN AN APPROACH TO
DEAL WITH GENDER ISSUES THROUGH
A MULTITUDE OF APPROACHES.
>> Rosemary: YOU RECOGNIZE IF
YOU WANTED MORE WOMEN TO STAY IN
THE WORKFORCE, IT REQUIRES
SOMEWHERE TO PUT CHILDREN.
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE
THAT IS NOT THE ONLY BARRIER.
THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
CHILDCARE DOES FALL
DISPROPORTIONATELY ON WOMEN.
WHEN I HAD MY KIDS, THERE WAS NO
OPPORTUNITY FOR PARENTAL LEAVE.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A THING I
WOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT.
NOW WE HAVE THAT OPTION WHICH
CREATES THE POSSIBILITY FOR
WOMEN TO BE ABLE TO REENTER THE
WORKFORCE MORE RAPIDLY AND FOR
EQUAL SHARING OF CHILDCARE
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WILL HAVE
A LONG-TERM IMPACT.
>> Rosemary: PHARMACARE, YOU
PROMISED TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING
AT SOME TIME, NO MONEY ATTACHED,
THE LIBERALS PROMISED THIS IN
1997, FOUND OUT HOW EXPENSIVE
WAS, WALKED AWAY.
THE IT WILL COST $28 BILLION,
WHERE IS THE MONEY, HOW DO WE
KNOW YOUR GOING TO DO IT?
>> THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CANADIANS
WHO DON'T GET PHARMACARE THROUGH
THEIR WORKFORCE, OR AREN'T OLD
ENOUGH TO GET IT THROUGH THE
GOVERNMENT, OR YOUNG ENOUGH LIKE
ONTARIO TO GET IT THROUGH THE
GOVERNMENT.
RECOGNIZING THAT THE SOLUTION
MAY NOT BE EXACTLY THE WAY THE
PBO GETS TO THE OVERALL COST.
WE ALREADY HAVE MOST EMPLOYEES,
PRETTY SURE YOU HAVE PHARMACARE,
I HAVE PHARMACARE.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE
EMPLOYED IN FULL-TIME JOBS.
>> SO IT WILL BE MEANS BASED?
>> WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY
THAT IT'S THERE.
IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT AS
HEALTH CARE TO HAVE
PHARMACEUTICAL AVAILABILITY.
THAT IS COMPLEX, WHAT WAS DONE
20 YEARS AGO, IT'S NOT THE SAME
AS TODAY.
WE HAVE MANY MORE PEOPLE THAT
OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY THAT
AREN'T WORKING FULL-TIME, THERE
IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION AND
THERE IS ALSO DIFFERENT
PROVINCIAL PLANS OUT THERE.
SO IT REQUIRES SOME ANALYSIS AND
STUDY, BUT WE'RE SERIOUS.
WE KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE AND
WE'RE GOING TO GET AT THE
ANALYSIS TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE
SURE WE CAN SOLVE FOR THE
PROBLEM FOR THE LONG-TERM.
>> Rosemary: LAST QUESTION.
AS YOU NALCORED GENDER BUDGET, A
LOT OF THINGS FOR WOMEN AND
OTHER GROUPS, BUT A LOT OF
PEOPLE SEE IT AS A POLITICAL
DOCUMENT, THIS IS YOU GETTING
READY FOR ELECTION, SPRINKLING A
LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE
VOTES.
>> TALKING ABOUT GENDER, MEANS
WE RECOGNIZE MORE WOMEN CAN BE
IN THE WORKFORCE BECAUSE THEY
WANT TO BE, MORE WOMEN CAN GET
FULL-TIME JOBS BECAUSE THEY WANT
THEM AND THEY NEED BETTER
OUTCOMES AT WORK AND THAT IS
BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY.
BECAUSE WE'LL DEAL WITH THE
DEMOGRAPHIC CHALLENGE AT THE
SAME TIME AS GIVING EVERYONE
WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE, EQUAL
OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCESS.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR YOUR
TIME.
IF IT WASN'T BUDGET DAY, YOU
BETTER BELIEVE THIS STORY WOULD
BE DOMINATING HERE ON THE HILL.
THE PRIME MINISTER'S TRIP TO
INDIA GONE WRONG.
STILL, THERE IS NO DISTRACTING
FROM THE GOVERNMENT'S MAJOR
MISTAKES THERE.
>> IS HE STILL THE B.C. CAUCUS
CHAIR?
>> I'LL BE MEETING WITH RANDEEP
SARAI LATER TODAY.
>> Rosemary: RANDEEP SARAI IS
THE MAN TO INVITED ATWAL.
LATE TONIGHT THE ANSWER TO THE
QUESTION YOU JUST SAW JUSTIN
TRUDEAU BEING ASKED, RANDEEP
SARAI IS STEPPING DOWN AS THE
FEDERAL LIBERAL CAUCUS CHAIR.
THAT COMES AFTER TRUDEAU WAS
HAMMERED WITH ANGRY QUESTIONS
TODAY INSIDE THE HOUSE.
>> THE PRIME MINISTER HAS TAKEN
FAILURE --
>> Reporter: ANDREW SCHEER
LOOKED AS IF HE COULD HARDLY
WAIT TO LAUNCH THE ATTACK.
THE QUESTIONS, THE GOVERNMENT
EXPLANATION THAT ROGUE FACTIONS
IN INDIA HELPED FACILITATE
ATWAL'S APPEARANCE.
>> THEY MADE THE ALLEGATION THAT
THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA IS
SOMEHOW COMPLICIT, DOES THE
PRIME MINISTER AGREE OR DISAVOW
THOSE ALLEGATIONS?
>> Reporter: FOR THE FIRST TIME,
THE PRIME MINISTER PUBLICLY
BACKED THE THEORY AND DEFENDED
THE SENIOR SECURITY OFFICIAL WHO
SHARED THE INFORMATION WITH
REPORTERS ON THE CONDITION OF
ANONYMITY.
>> OUR PROFESSIONAL NONPARTISAN
PUBLIC SERVICE DOES HIGH QUALITY
WORK AND ONE OF OUR TOP
DIPLOMATS AND SECURITY
ESSENTIALS SAYS SOMETHING TO
CANADIANS, IT'S BECAUSE THEY
KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.
>> Reporter: JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S
TRIP TO INDIA WAS SIDELINED BY
ATWAL'S PRESENCE.
THE B.C. MAN WAS CONVICTED OF
ATTEMPTED MURDER FOR AN ATTACK
ON A CABINET MINISTER IN 198 #.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT'S THEORY DOES
NOT EXPLAIN WHY RANDEEP SARAI
INVITED HIM TO THE EVENT IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
>> THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I
CAN COMMENT ON.
>> Reporter: RANDEEP SARAI MET
WITH TRUDEAU TONIGHT AND
ANNOUNCED HE WOULD BE STEPPING
DOWN FROM HIS ROLE AS THE
LIBERAL PACIFIC CAUCUS CHAIR.
TRUDEAU'S VISIT IN THE FALLOUT
ARE MAKING FOR INTERESTING TALK
IN CANADA'S INDIAN COMMUNITY.
>> I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT HIS
OBJECTIVES WERE GOING ON THE
TRIP TO INDIA.
>> Reporter: AT THIS RADIO
STATION, VIEWS ARE MIXED OVER
WHETHER ANYTHING POSITIVE CAME
OUT OF THE MISSION.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY HAVE
BOOM RANG A BIT.
HE HAS BAGGAGE HE'S GOT TO DEAL
WITH.
>> Reporter: AND AS FAR AS THE
OPPOSITION IS CONCERNED, THEY'RE
NOT GOING TO LET ANY OF THE
BAGGAGE GO.
>> Rosemary: JUST GETTING
STARTED HERE ON PARLIAMENT HILL.
ALTHIA, ANDREW AND CHANTAL HERE
WITH "AT ISSUE".
>> WE'RE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON
SOME OF THE OTHER STORIES.
STILL FOR EXAMPLE NO RELIEF IN
SYRIA.
THE BOMBING CONTINUES IN EASTERN
GHOUTA AND THERE IS WORD THAT
WOMEN ARE PUT IN DANGER BY THE
VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO
HELP THEM.
>> Andrew: LATER ON THE NASH TT,
IT'S ABOUT A STOLEN CASE OF BEER
IN CAPE BRETON.
>> HIM AND ANOTHER FELLA STOLE
2-4 OUT OF THE BED OF MY TRUCK.
>> I SAW THEM JUMP
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>> Adrienne: THE STRUGGLE TO
SURVIVE HAS TAKEN A GRIM TURN
FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE WOMEN IN
SYRIA.
THEY'RE BEING EXPLOITED FOR SEX,
PREYED UPON BY THE VERY MEN THEY
LOOK TO FOR HUMANITARIAN AID.
WIDOWS AND YOUNG GIRLS WITHOUT
FAMILY CONNECTIONS AND MALE
RELATIVES ARE MOST AT RISK.
IT'S AN OPEN SECRET HAPPENING
FOR YEARS AND BEING IGNORED.
STOPPING IT WILL REQUIRE
SYSTEMIC OVERHAUL.
>> Reporter: THE HOPES OF THE
BESIEGED PEOPLE DISAPPEARING IN
THE SMOKE ABOVE WHAT IS LEFT OF
EASTERN GHOUTA.
NO CIVILIANS OUT.
NO AID IN.
DESPITE A RUSSIAN-ORDERED PAUSE
IN THE BOMBING CAMPAIGN AGAINST
THE REBEL-HELD ENCLAVE.
ALMOST BEFORE IT BEGAN, JUST
LIKE THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL
CALL OVER THE WEEKEND FOR A
30-DAY TRUCE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
NOW REPORTS OF YET ANOTHER
AFFRONT TO SYRIA'S SUFFERING
CIVILIANS.
>> THEY WERE WITHHOLDING THE AID
THAT HAD BEEN DELIVERED AND
USING THESE WOMEN FOR SEX.
>> Reporter: AIDE WORKERS SAY
THEY RAISED THE ALARMS THREE
YEARS AGO AFTER SPEAKING WITH
SYRIAN WOMEN IN JORDAN WHO SAID
LOCAL MEN HIRED BY INTERNATIONAL
AGENCIES TO DISTRIBUTE AID IN
SYRIA, WERE USING IT TO FORCE
WOMEN INTO SEX.
THE FACT-FINDING REPORT BY THE
U.N. POPULATION FUND HAS BACKED
UP THE ALLEGATIONS.
SAYING EXAMPLES OF GIVEN OF
WOMEN AND GIRLS MARRYING
OFFICIALS FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF
TIME FOR SEXUAL SERVICES IN
ORDER TO RECEIVE MEALS.
A U.N. AGENCY SPOKESMAN SAID THE
PREVIOUS ALLEGATIONS HAD BEEN
UNSUBSTANTIATED BUT THE U.N. HAD
WORKED TO ENSURE THAT WOMEN
RECEIVING AID WERE PROTECTED.
>> THE MERE SUGGESTION THAT THE
U.N. CAN CONTROL THE SITUATION
IN A WAR ZONE AND THE IMPLIED
CONCLUSION WE CAN TURN THIS ON
AND OFF IS SIMPLISTIC.
>> Reporter: CRITICS SAY THAT'S
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU CAN'T
GUARANTEE THAT AIDES --
>> Reporter: SOME AIDE AGENCIES
SAY THEY HAVE WORKED TO REDUCE
ABUSE BY NOT HANDING AID OVER TO
LOCAL COUNSELS FOR DISTRIBUTION.
FOR THE PEOPLE OF EASTERN
GHOUTA, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO
RELIEF IN SIGHT OF ANY KIND AT
ALL.
>> Adrienne: LET'S HEAD BACK TO
PARLIAMENT HILL.
>> Rosemary: MUCH MORE BUDGET
DAY ANALYSIS, "AT ISSUE", THE
BIG WINNERS IN THE BUDGET,
WOMEN.
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>> Andrew: TONIGHT ON THE "THE
NATIONAL", ANOTHER BLOW FOR
HEDLEY.
ONE OF THEIR SHOWS HAS BEEN
CANCELLED.
WINDSOR ANNOUNCED THE NEXT SHOW
IS OFF.
OTHER VENUES ARE PRESSURED TO DO
THE SAME.
IT COMES A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER
A WOMAN CAME FORWARD TO CBC
ACCUSING THE LEAD SINGER, JACOB
HOGGARD, OF RAPE, HE DENIES THE
ALLEGATIONS SAYING IT WAS
CONSENSUAL.
>>> THERE ARE REPORTS OUT OF THE
U.S. TONIGHT THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S SON-IN-LAW, SENIOR
ADVISOR, HAS BEEN STRIPPED OF
THE TOP LEVEL SECURITY
CLEARANCE.
SOURCES SAID THAT THE DECISION
WAS MADE AFTER JARED KUSHNER
FAILED TO COMPLETE HIS F.B.I.
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
HE MEANS HE HAS NO LONGER ACCESS
TO THE TOP BRIEFINGS, INCLUDING
THE PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEF.
>> NO BUDGET DECISION WAS TAKEN
WITHOUT BEING INFORMED BY WHAT
WE CALL GENDER-BASED ANALYSIS.
WE FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS MUST NOT
BE A ONE TIME EVENT, IT MUST BE
HOW ALL FUTURE BUDGETS ARE MADE.
>> Rosemary: BILL MORNEAU
EARLIER TODAY, NOT THE FIRST
PERSON TO MAKE A BUDGET BASED ON
GENDER ANALYSIS, BUT HOPING TO
BE THE LAST FINANCE MINISTER NOT
TO, SUPPORTING WOMEN WAS A HUGE
THEME IN THE BUDGET AND THERE
WAS MORE TO IT THAN GENDER.
WE HAVE "AT ISSUE" IN THE HOUSE,
WITH ME HERE IN OTTAWA.
CHANTAL HÉBERT, ANDREW COYNE AND
ALTHIA RAJ.
OK, I HAD A LITTLE PREVIEW IN
TERMS OF WHAT THESE GUYS WOULD
SAY.
THEY'RE NOT JUMPING FOR JOY OVER
THE BUDGET.
THE BIG TAKEAWAY?
>> PREELECTION DOCUMENTS, NOT
MUCH OF A PLAN IN THERE.
HARD TO FIND THE VISION.
LOTS OF WOMEN STUFF, A COLLEAGUE
OF MINE IN THE FRENCH VERSION
COUNTED 700 INSTANCES OF WOMEN
IN THE PLURAL.
THAT'S A LOT.
BUT I THINK A LOT OF WOMEN WILL
LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, BUT WHERE
IS THE BEEF, BECAUSE FOR ALL OF
THE REFERENCES AND A LOT OF
THESE THINGS ARE GOOD
INITIATIVES, THE BEEF WOULD BE
MORE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE
PROGRAMME AND IT'S NOT THERE.
>> Rosemary: AND YOU SIGNALLED
THAT LAST WEEK.
>> FOR MILLENNIALS WHO ARE
STARTING FAMILIES, IT'S THE
BIGGEST BUDGET ITEM WITH
AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
ALL THIS LANGUAGE ABOUT
ANALYSIS.
>> Rosemary: IS THIS NOT,
ANDREW, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND
PULL A STORY THREAD OUT AND THE
STORY THREAD IS GROWTH, THROUGH
ALL DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF THE
POPULATION, IS THAT A
POSSIBILITY?
>> THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL, YES.
AND SOME TRUTH.
IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING MAXIMUM USE
OF EVERY SECTION OF THE
POPULATION, IN THIS CASE, WOMEN,
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS THAN
OPTIMAL GROWTHMENT THAT'S TRUE.
BUT THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER
THINGS THAT GO INTO GROWTH WHICH
WAS IGNORED IN THE BUDGET.
THE EQUALITY PART, THEY WERE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE GROWTH PART
LESS.
WE'RE FACING SEVERE CHALLENGES,
BOTH SHORT TERM WITH THE TAX
BILL IN THE UNITED STATES AND
THE SUDDEN CHANGE AND
COMPETITIVE CLIMATE.
AND LONG-TERM WITH THE
DEMOGRAPHIC CHAL OEVENG ENGE OF
THE AGING AND WE HAVE TO MAKE
CHANGES IN PRODUCTIVITY.
IT'S NOT REALLY A BUDGET PER SE
AT ALL.
IT'S MORE OF A MANIFESTO.
IT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT OF
LIBERAL BELIEFS.
AND YEAH, WITH THE ELECTION VERY
MUCH IN MIND.
>> Rosemary: OR TAKEN FROM THE
N.D.P.
>> OR STOLEN FROM THE N.D.P. AND
MADE INTO LIBERAL POLICY.
>> Rosemary: WHAT WAS YOUR
TAKEAWAY IN TERMS OF HOW THEY
WERE FRAMING IT?
>> IT'S A POLITICAL DOCUMENT.
IT'S A POLITICAL DOCUMENT WHERE
MINISTER MORNEAU HIGHLIGHTS
LIBERALS ARE MORE CONCERNED
ABOUT THE N.D.P. THAN ANYBODY
ELSE, DONALD TRUMP INCLUDED OR
NAFTA.
SO HE'S STEALING FROM THE N.D.P.
IDEAS, PHARMACARE.
AND ALSO STEALING STUFF FROM THE
2015 PLATFORM.
THE N.D.P. ON PAY EQUITY
LEGISLATION, EVEN ON MAKING
STATUS OF WOMEN -- OR GIVING A
LARGER MANDATE, IN THIS CASE,
THEY'RE MAKING A PERMANENT
DEPARTMENT.
THOSE ARE THE TWO PROMISES FROM
THE N.D.P. IN 2015.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT IS WHERE
THEY ARE GOING, BUT THEY REALLY
HAVE OPENED THEMSELVES UP ON THE
RIGHT.
THERE IS NO TAX CUT.
THERE IS TALK OF TAX CUTS.
AND OFTEN WHEN YOU HEAR IT,
THOSE ON THE LEFT SAY THEY WANT
TO FIND YOU WAYS TO INCREASE
SPENDING BY FINDING REVENUE,
THEY LOOK AT TAX HOOP HOLES, TAX
EVASION, THE LIBERALS ARE DOING
THAT.
>> Rosemary: BUT IS THERE A
RIGHT THAT THEY COULD GO AFTER
ANYWAY?
ARE THEY WILDLY ATTRACTING FROM
THE RIGHT?
IS THERE A FLANK THEY COULD GO
AFTER?
>> NO, BUT THEY LEAVE THEMSELVES
OPEN TO FUTURE EVENTS AND I
DON'T MEAN A DECADE FROM NOW.
IF YOU TAKE THE BUDGET AND READ
IT, IT'S A LONG BOOK, NOT A
SHORT BUDGET AND YOU WOULD THINK
THAT THE EVENT THAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAS TALKED TO US
ABOUT, THE TRUMP, IT'S AS IF IT
IS NONEXISTENT IN THE
GOVERNMENT'S THINKING, THAT IT
CHANGED NOTHING.
I SUSPECT IT CHANGED THE AGENDA
HERE, BUT YOU FIND NO EVIDENCE
OF THAT, NO EVIDENCE OF THE
CHALLENGE THAT ANDREW WAS
TALKING ABOUT OR IF THE
GOVERNMENT LOOKING TO ADDRESS
THEM.
THEY'RE MENTIONED IN PASSING AS
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LONG
WINTER.
>> CERTAINLY POLITICAL JOB ONE
FOR THE LIBERALS IS TO NAIL DOWN
THE N.D.P.
THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL BY
TAKING AWAY THE CENTRE RIGHT
VOTE.
I IMAGINE THEY DON'T NEED TO DO
THAT BECAUSE THE DEFICIT.
SURELY FOR POLITICAL SYMBOLISM.
WE'RE TEN YEARS INTO A RECOVERY.
ALL OF THE NUMBERS ARE
PREDICATED ON THE FACT WE'RE
NEVER GOING TO HAVE A RECESSION
AGAIN.
AND THAT'S NOT AT ALL CLEAR.
WE'VE SEEN RUMBLINGS IN THE
INTEREST RATES OF THEM STARTING
TO CLIMB.
SO WE'RE IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
WORLD AND THERE IS NOT SIGN OF
RECOGNITION OF THAT.
>> Rosemary: AND THAT GIVES US
JUMPING OFF POINT FOR THE
DEFICIT, BECAUSE THAT IS NO
LONGER A DIRTY WORD AND NOT
SOMETHING THEY SEEM INTERESTED
IN TACKLING.
>> NO, IN FACT, SOME OF THE
NUMBERS AROUND THE MATH, THEY'RE
CREATIVE NUMBERS.
THEY'VE PUSHED OFF
INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING.
THEY'VE BOOKED $354 MILLION FROM
TAX EVADERS.
THEY HAVE FOUND $19 BILLION,
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THERE IS
$21 BILLION OF SAVINGS AND THE
NUMBERS SEEM TO LINE UP.
THEY DON'T TELL US WHAT THEY'RE
CUTTING.
SO IT'S CREATIVE MATH MAYBE.
I'M NOT SURE.
BUT NO, DEFICITS ARE -- PEOPLE
SEEMED OK WITH DEFICITS, BUT YOU
HAVE TO WONDER, PAUL MARTIN, IF
THEY TRIED IT OUT IN THE 2015
CAMPAIGN, DON'T WORRY, WE'RE
GOING TO BE LIKE THE OLD RIGHT
OF CENTRE LIBERALS, WHAT WOULD
HE THINK ABOUT THIS?
>> I MAY BE OLD SCHOOL.
I CAME HERE IN THE 80s AND I
HAVE NEVER HEARD THE FINANCE
MINISTER THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT
BALANCING THE BOOKS, AT LEAST
PAID LIP SERVICE TO CARING WHICH
IS NOT THE CASE.
I'M GUESS THE CHICKENS THAT
COULD COME HOME TO ROOST WILL DO
SO AFTER THE ELECTION IN A YEAR
AND A HALF.
>> Rosemary: IT SEEMS DANGEROUS
TO PLAY THAT.
>> IN RUNNING THE DEFICITS,
WE'RE REJECTING AUSTERITY,
THEY'RE HOPING THE FRIENDS ON
THE LEFT DOESN'T NOTICE THAT
SPENDING IS GOING TO LEVEL OFF.
AVERAGE SPENDING UNDER THE
HARPER YEARS, 13.7%.
AVERAGE SPENDING UNDER THE WE
DON'T LIKE IT AUSTERITY
LIBERALS, 13.8%.
SO THERE IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE
IN THE SPENDING.
>> Rosemary: HOW DO THEY USE
THIS TO SECURE THEIR NARRATIVE
FOR THE FUTURE?
IF THIS WAS ABOUT PUTTING THE
SQUEEZE ON THE N.D.P., NOT
WORRYING ABOUT THE CONSERVATIVES
I GUESS, HOW DO THEY PUSH THAT
FORWARD, THAT STORY?
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE?
>> HAVE YOU SEEN HOW MANY GROUPS
HAVE COME FORWARD TO SAY HOW
GREAT THE BUDGET WAS?
>> THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY NEEDED
TO DO?
>> POLITICALLY, THEY PROBABLY
RIGHTLY FEEL THEY HAVE.
WHETHER THAT'S WHAT YOU EXPECT
FROM A GOVERNMENT RATHER THAN AN
OPPOSITION PARTY CAMPAIGNING FOR
VICTORY IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
>> THEY'RE SOWING ALL THESE
GROUPS.
>> COALITION.
>> WELL, IT'S A COALITION OF THE
FUNDED.
ALL THE GROUPS THAT WILL TAKE
THE MONEY AND AMPLIFY THE
LIBERAL MESSAGE.
THEY'RE NONPARTISAN, BUT THEY'RE
ON THE SAME PAGE.
>> AND THEY'RE HAPPY.
>> IT'S A BUDGET THAT SPEAKS TO
THEIR AMBITION, RIGHT?
THEY LIKE TO PICK WINNERS AND
LOSERS.
THIS IS A BUDGET WHERE THE HEAVY
HAND OF GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED
AND THERE WILL BE LOTS OF PEOPLE
ON THE RIGHT WHO ARE VERY
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT THE
GOVERNMENT IS SAYING WE'RE NOT
YOUR GOVERNMENT SO THAT'S FINE.
>> Rosemary: DOES IT SAVE BILL
MORNEAU?
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS OUT OF
TROUBLE ANYWAY, IF WE HAD MOVED
PAST THAT, BUT IS IT SECURE
HE'LL GET TO DO A 4TH BUDGET?
>> I'M ASSUME HE GO GETS TO DO A
4TH BUDGET.
TODAY WAS THE DAY I DECIDED HE
WAS NEVER GOING TO FIT THE MOULD
OF THE FISCAL ANCHOR OF THE
GOVERNMENT IN THE CABINET.
>> Rosemary: AND THAT'S OK?
>> VOTERS WILL DECIDE THAT.
>> PERHAPS SAVED HIS JOB BY
HANDING OVER THE WRITING OF THE
BUDGET TO THE STATUS OF THE
WOMEN DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS NOT A CONVENTIONAL
FINANCE MINISTER BUDGET.
SO HE HIMSELF IS NO LONGER
PARTICULARLY AN ASSET TO THE
GOVERNMENT, BUT MAYBE THEY'VE
DECIDED HE'S NOT SO MUCH OF A
LIABILITY THAT THEY CAN LEAVE
HIM IN PLACE.
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT HE IS NOT
THE FINANCE MINISTER THEY
WANTED.
I THINK HE HAD A ROCKY START
BECAUSE HE WAS A POLITICAL AND
HE FELT ATTACKED AND HE'S
LEARNED HIS LESSONS AND TODAY
YOU SAW A POLISHED VERSION OF
BILL MORNEAU.
>> I'M NOT SO SURE.
>> Rosemary: WE'RE GOING TO STAY
HERE AND TALK FOR ANOTHER 20
MINUTES.
THANK YOU, ALL.
GOOD NEWS FOR THOSE WHO LOVE
POLITICS LIKE WE DO, "AT ISSUE"
IS A PODCAST.
iTUNES, WEBSITE.
>> Andrew: STILL TO COME, THE
TALL TALE OF TERRY FROM THE
PIER.
HOW A THEFT BECAME AN URBAN
LEGEND AND THE BIGGER LESSON TO
BE LEARNED.
>> YOU PUT YOUR BEER IN THE
TRUCK, SOMEONE STEALS YOUR BEER.
IT'S HAPPENED TOFF A GOOD STORY?
CAPE BRETON, NOVA SCOTIA HAS A
DOOZY ABOUT A CASE OF STOLEN
BEER.
OUR TOM MURPHY WENT LOOKING FOR
THE THIEF ONLY TO FIND A TALL
TALE TOO GOOD NOT TO BELIEVE.
[ * ]
ON THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH, A ROAD
TRIP TO CAPE BRETON ISLAND.
A PLACE KNOWN FOR ITS STORY
TELLERS AND DARE WE SAY IT, THE
ODD FIBBER.
IT'S TRUE.
THINGS CAN BE LARGER THAN LIFE
HERE.
HAVE YOU HEARD THIS ONE?
IT COMES FROM A RECENT Facebook
POST BY RONNIE TALBOT,
APPARENTLY IN A DESPERATE TIZZY.
>> DOES ANYBODY KNOW A GUY NAMED
TERRY?
>> HE HAS A STUPID F-ING HAIRCUT
IF THAT HELPS.
>> HE AND ANOTHER FELLA TOOK A
2-4 OUT OF THE TRUCK WHEN I WAS
TAKING A PISS AT TIM'S.
>> THE LADY AT TIM'S SAID ALL
SHE KNOWS HE'S A YOUNG FELLA.
>> SOMEONE MAY KNOW HIM FROM
THAT.
>> A BEER BURGLAR, A BEVERAGE
BANDIT.
>> I THINK IT'S A SHAME WHAT
HAPPENED TO RONNIE.
>> BEFORE LONG, THE CRIME BECAME
THE TALK OF THE TOWN.
THERE WERE COUNTLESS POSTS ON
SOCIAL MEDIA.
>> HE STOLL HIS BEER.
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT SOMEONE
STEALING BEER?
>> A GoFundMe TO GET RONNIE
TALBOT ANOTHER 2-4 OF KEITH'S.
>> SOUNDS GOOD.
>> Reporter: AND BRIAN CATHCART
AND REDMOND McDOUGALL WROTE A
STRONG AND RONNIE TALBOT, WHO
WAS SO HARD DONE BY.
>> IT'S THE STORY OLD AS TIME,
YOU PUT YOUR BEER IN THE TRUCK,
SOMEONE STEALS YOUR BEER.
IT'S A THING, YOU KNOW,
EVERYBODY CAN RELATE TO.
>> Reporter: THEIR IMPROMPTU
MUSIC VIDEO TOOK OFF.
* LET ME TELL YOU THIS
* I GOT OUT TO TAKE A PISS
* THE BONNEVILLE CLOSING DOOR IS
ALL THAT I COULD HEAR *
TERRY STOLE MY BEER *
* TERRY STOLE THE BEER
* HE JUMPED INTO THE PONTIAC
TOOK OFF OUT OF HERE.
>> BUT GET THIS, THERE IS NO
EVIDENCE ANY OF IT IS TRUE.
WE WENT TO THE TIM'S IN THE
PIER, THAT'S WHITNEY PIER.
>> HAS ANYBODY SEEN RONNIE
TALBOT COME IN?
>> Reporter: NO RECOLLECTION OF
ANY OF THE STAFF OF RONNIE
TALBOT COMING IN?
>> ANYBODY KNOW RONNIE TALBOT?
>> ALTHOUGH THEY ALL HEARD THE
STORY.
TURNS OUT THE ORIGINAL POST WAS
A FAKE.
WE TRACKED DOWN THE AUTHOR WHO
SHEEPISHLY TOLD US JUST THAT.
BUT HE WOULDN'T GO ON CAMERA.
FACT IS, NONE OF IT WAS TRUE,
NOT A WORD.
BUT HERE'S THE THING, EVEN AFTER
THE PUBLISHED STORIES EXPLAINING
THE TALE WAS NOT TRUE, ACCORDING
TO CAROLE, SOME PEOPLE STILL
THINK TERRY STOLE THE BEER.
>> PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE IT'S
TRUE?
>> IT'S CRAZY, BUT THEY DO.
THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
THINK IT HAPPENED.
>> Reporter: WHAT IS UP WITH
THAT?
FROM THE SCENE OF THE CRIME.
USING SOCIAL MEDIA, WE REACHED
OUT TO BRIONY SWIRE-THOMPSON AT
NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY IN
BOSTON.
SHE STUDIED THIS KIND OF THING
AND HAS A Ph.D. IN
MISINFORMATION.
IT'S A THING.
>> WE'RE FINDING INCREDIBLY
REGULARLY THAT PEOPLE UPDATE
INITIALLY, IT'S OVER TIME THEY
START TO REBELIEVE IN THE
INACCURATE INFORMATION.
>> WHEN DONALD TRUMP LINKED BACK
SCENES AND AUTISM.
>> WHAT IS GOING ON WITH AUTISM?
>> LATER, THEY AGREED WITH
EVIDENCE DISPUTING THE CLAIM.
BUT TESTING THOSE SAME PEOPLE A
WEEK LATER --
>> THIS LITTLE BEAUTIFUL CHILD
WENT TO HAVE THE VACCINE, NOW
AUTISTIC.
>> SHOWED THEIR BELIEF IN THE
MISINFORMATION HAS BOUNCED BACK
TO ALMOST ORIGINAL LEVELS.
>> IT MEANS EVEN IF PEOPLE
ACCEPT THE ATTRACTION INITIALLY,
IT'S OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME
AND THAT'S A SCARY THING.
YEAH, OVER TIME, YOU'RE GOING TO
FORGET THAT THE CORRECT
INFORMATION.
>> Reporter: AND SHE SAYS
RETRACTING FAMILIAR INFORMATION
MAKES IT MORE FAMILIAR AND MORE
LIKELY TO BE BELIEVED.
>> AUTISM HAS BECOME AN
EPIDEMIC.
>> Reporter: IT'S TRUE ABOUT
TRUMP, JUST LIKE IT'S TRUE ABOUT
TERRY.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU?
>> SURE.
>> DID RONNIE FIND THE BEER?
>> I KNOW SHE'S PULLING MY LEG,
BUT YOU GET THE IDEA.
* I THINK HE DID MY BUDDY'S
TRUCK *
* SO HELP ME IF I FIND YOU BY
THE TRUCK *
>> ONCE YOU GET A STORY, OR A
VERSE OF IT IN YOUR HEAD, IT
SOMETIMES NEVER LEAVES YOU.
AND SO IT IS WITH THIS MOST
CANADIAN OF A TALE.
OF A BEER BANDIT AT TIM'S AND
THE HILARITY THAT ENSUED.
>> TERRY, DO THE RIGHT THING,
GIVE THE BEER BACK.
>> Andrew: [LAUGHTER] IT'S
PRETTY GOOD.
AT THIS POINT, YOU MIGHT BE
ASKING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
GoFundMe MONEY, WE'RE TOLD THE
PERSON BEHIND THE COMPLAIN HAS
PLANS TO DONATE IT.
BUT AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, THE
CLUB HAS NOT SEEN A DIME.
>> Adrienne: THIS GOES ON AND
ON.
LOTS MORE TO COME TONIGHT, BUT A
LOOK AT A POPULAR ART
INSTALLATION OPENING UP HERE IN
TORONTO.
THIS IS TONIGHT'S LENS.
>> Adrienne: THIS IS ONE OF SIX
INFINITY ROOMS BY JAPANESE
ARTIST YAYOI KUSAMA.
FEATURED IN ONTARIO.
SHE IS 88 YEARS OLD AND DOESN'T
USE SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THESE
MIRRORED ROOMS SPEAK LOUD AND
CLEAR TO OUR SELFIE OBSESSIONS.
PATRONS CAN ONLY SPEND 20
SECONDS IN EACH ROOM.
BUT YOU CAN TAKE A LONGER LOOK
AT OTHER WORKS FROM HER
>> Hello, Dragons.
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>> Andrew: TONIGHT, THE BRITISH
COLUMBIA FAMILY SPEAKING OUT
ABOUT A DEVASTATING HOUSE FIRE
THEY SAY WAS SPARKED BY A FAULTY
iPHONE AND THEY WANT
COMPENSATION.
>> GOT TWO METRES OF THE HOUSE
AND THE HEAT WAS INTENSE.
I COULDN'T GET ANY CLOSE ARE.
I DIDN'T SEE MUCH.
>> Andrew: THE FIRE BROKE OUT AT
THEIR FARMHOUSE IN LANGLEY IN
2016.
THE EXACT CAUSE IS UNDER
INVESTIGATION, BUT FIRE
OFFICIALS HAVE SAID THEY FOUND A
CHARRED iPHONE IN A CHAIR WHERE
THEY BELIEVE THE FIRE STARTED.
THEY SAID THE PHONE OR THE
CHARGER MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE
CAUSE.
THE FAMILY HAS REACHED OUT TO
APPLE ASKING FOR $600,000 TO PAY
FOR THEIR LOSSES.
>> IT WASN'T UNTIL FEBRUARY WHEN
THE THING STARTED TO CATCH UP
AND WE STARTED TO THINK ABOUT,
THIS ISN'T FAIR, THIS ISN'T
RIGHT THAT THIS HAPPENED TO US
AND WE'RE IN THIS POSITION
THROUGH NO FAULT OF OUR OWN.
>> Andrew: APPLE HAS CONFIRMED
THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THE CLAIM.
THE FAMILY HOPE THE SOCIAL MEDIA
CAMPAIGN WILL PRESSURE THE
COMPANY TO PAY UP.
>>> YOU'RE LOOKING AT CROATIA
AFTER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WERE
HIT BY A WEATHER SYSTEM DUBBED
BEAST FROM THE EAST.
AT LEAST SEVEN DEATHS HAVE BEEN
LINKED TO THE COLD.
SCHOOLS AND AIRPORTS ACROSS THE
CONTINENT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED AND
IT'S NOT OVER YET.
FREEZING TEMPERATURES WILL
LIKELY LAST UNTIL THE END OF THE
WEEK AND PART OF THE U.K. ARE
EXPECTED TO HAVE HEAVY SNOW.
>>> THAT'S A WRAP ON ANOTHER
SUCCESSFUL MISSION TO THE
INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION.
THREE CREW MEMBERS RETURNED TO
EARTH AFTER FIVE MONTHS IN
SPACE.
TWO AMERICANS AND ONE RUSSIAN
LANDED IN KAZAKHSTAN.
THEIR TRIP HOME TOOK JUST OVER
THREE HOURS.
>> Adrienne: THE 90TH ACADEMY
AWARDS ARE COMING AND ONE OF THE
FILMS IS "THE POST", IT'S A TRUE
STORY UP FOR BEST PICTURE ABOUT
THE RACE TO PUBLISH CLASSIFIED
DOCUMENTS KNOWN AS THE PENTAGON
PAPERS.
THEY WERE LEAKED TO THE PRESS BY
THIS MAN, DANIEL ELLSBERG BACK
IN 1971, THEY EXPOSE THE LIES
AND FAILURES OF THE WAR IN
VIETNAM.
THE LEAK WAS A MASSIVE
EMBARRASSMENT FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SPENDING
THE DAY WITH DANIEL ELLSBERG
RECENTLY.
>> HELLO, I GOT TO SAY WE HAVE
TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE MAIN
BALL, THE MAIN BALL IS ELLSBERG,
WE GOT TO GET THIS SON OF A
BITCH.
JUST BECAUSE SOME GUY IS GOING
BE A MARTYR OF ALLOWING THE
FELLOW TO GET AWAY WITH THIS
THIEVERY, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
ALL OVER THE GOVERNMENT.
YOU GOT TO HAVE A UNITED FRONT
ON ELLSBERG, THAT'S THE MAIN
THING.
>> I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.
>> Adrienne: WHAT IS IT LIKE TO
HEAR THE PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT
YOU LIKE THAT?
>> SO, WHEN I HEAR THAT I HEAR
THE PRESIDENT MAKING THE
DECISION THAT IS GOING TO NOT
ONLY GET ME OFF TRIAL, BUT THE
IDEA WAS HE PUT ME ON TRIAL.
BUT MAKING THE DECISION BY
PUTTING ME ON TRIAL, THAT
ACTUALLY LED TO HIS RESIGNATION.
>> Adrienne: HE IS AMAZING,
WE'LL HAVE MORE OF THAT
CONVERSATION TOMORROW NIGHT.
>> Andrew: CASSETTE TAPES WERE
ONCE UPON A TIME THE CUTTING
EDGE TECHNOLOGY FOR MUSIC, THESE
DAYS NOT SO MUCH.
THIS IS THE OUR MOMENT OF THE
DAY.
>> DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THIS
IS?
>> SOMETHING IN THE OLDEN DAYS
YOU WOULD PLAY MUSIC WITH OR
SOMETHING.
>> WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
>> A PLACE TO PUT THE PLUG IN.
>> TRYING TO PUT -- FIND WHERE
THIS GOES.
>> IF YOU PUT IT IN SOMETHING,
THE TAPE WILL START GOING AND IT
WILL LIKE MAKE MUSIC.
>> IT CAME OUT OF IT MORE.
NOTHING IS HAPPENING RIGHT AT
THE MOMENTUM.
>> WE COULD OPEN IT UP AND PUT
IT IN.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO OPEN IT.
[ * ]
>> IT'S LIKE FROM THE OLDEN
DAYS.
>> I'M PRETTY SURE MY
GRANDPARENTS HAVE ONE.
>> Adrienne: THIS PHYSICALLY
HURTS.
I KNOW WE CAN LAUGH ALL WE WANT,
BUT WE HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW,
TAPES AREN'T DEAD.
ASIDE FROM THE MIXED ONES IN MY
BASEMENT, BUT LAST YEAR WAS A
GOOD YEAR FOR CASSETTE SALES.
174,000 SOLD IN THE U.S.
35% INCREASE FROM 2016.
NOT DEAD YET.
>> Rosemary: I WAS SUPPOSED TO
SAY SOMETHING ABOUT "GUARDIANS
OF THE GALAXY", BUT SINCE IAN IS
NOT HERE, WE SHOULD SAY THAT IAN
WOULD REMEMBER SOMETHING CALLED
AN EIGHT TRACK.
>> OUCH.
>> WE'LL HAVE TO REMIND HIM OF
THAT ONE.
I DON'T GET THE WHOLE
RESURGENCE, THE VINTAGE STUFF.
THE FORTUNATE THING I DON'T HAVE
TO GET IT, CASSETTE TAPES STILL
REPRESENT .1% OF ALL ALBUM
SALES.
SO, NOT MAKING A COMEBACK.
>> DON'T BE LIKE THAT.
LISTEN, THAT IS "NATIONAL" FOR
FEBRUARY 27TH.
GOOD NIGHT.
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