Waching daily Mar 9 2018

>> Stephen: THANKS FOR COMING BACK.

ALWAYS FUN TO TALK TO YOU.

YOU WEAR A TIE ON YOUR SHOW, THOUGH, RIGHT?

>> I'M CASH FOR YOU, STEPHEN.

>> Stephen: CONGRATULATIONS MSNBC, YOUR RATINGS ARE GREAT,

YOU ARE THE NERD KINGS OF NEWS MOUNTAIN RIGHT NOW.

CONGRATULATIONS, PEOPLE WANT INFORMATION.

>> YEAH, THEY DO.

YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING.

I THINK THEY WANT INFORMATION AND THERE'S A CERTAIN WAY IN

WHICH HAVING SO MUCH NEWS AND IT BEING FRENETIC STIRS A KIND OF

CURIOSITY IN PEOPLE THAT CAN BE INVIGORATING.

>> Stephen: FEAR IS A GREAT MOTIVATOR.

>> FEAR AND WE HAD A TEN-MINUTE CONVERSATION ABOUT STEEL TARIFFS

THE OTHER NIGHT ON THE SHOW WITH THE STEELWORKERS UNION.

AND PEOPLE WATCHED IT AND DID GREAT.

>> Stephen: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT DOING A SHOW ON A 24-HOUR

NEWS CHANNEL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LOOKS LIKE A CHALLENGE TO ME IS WHEN

WE TALK ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF ON OUR SHOW WITH JOKES, I MEAN,

THERE'S NOBODY IN FRONT OF ME MAKING JOKES ABOUT THE THING I'M

ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT.

ALL DAY LONG PEOPLE ON YOUR NETWORK ARE TALKING ABOUT

ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS THE STORY OF THE DAY OR THE MOMENT.

YOU'RE COMING ON RIGHT AFTER CHRIS MATTHEWS.

ARE YOU WATCHING HIM GOING, DAMN IT, HE'S TALKING ABOUT

EVERYTHING I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT, OR ARE YOU PRETENDING

EVERYONE CLICKS ON YOUR TV THE MOMENT CHRIS HAYES COMES ON AND

YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THEM ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF?

>> THERE ARE A BUNCH OF MEETINGS TO COSHED NATE SO WE'RE NOT ALL

DOING THE SAME SHOW.

AT THE SAME TIME, ON THE DAY MICHAEL FLYNN IS INDICTED, YOU

CAN'T BE JUST 7:00, THE MICHAEL FLYNN INDICTMENT.

YOU HAVE TO BUILD IN THROUGH GUESTING, THE WAY YOU APPROACH A

TOPIC DISTINCTIVELY, BUT WHEN BIG STORIES ARE HAPPENING,

EVERYONE WILL COVER THE BIG STORIES.

>> Stephen: SO BIG STORIES, AS A NEWSMAN, IS THE STORMY DANIELS

LAWSUIT IMPORTANT OR JUST, LIKE, NEWS CANDY?

>> I THINK IT ACTUALLY IS IMPORTANT.

TWO REASONS.

ONE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE WATCHING A COVERUP

COME UNRAVELED IN REALTIME AND IT'S A MICROCOSM OF WHAT I

EXPECT IS SOMETHING THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF.

THIS IS ONE INSTANCE OF ONE N.D.A. THAT WAS SIGNED THAT

LOCKED AN INCONVENIENT SET OF FACTS AWAY FROM PRYING EYES.

WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AFTER INITIAL DENIALS AND WE SUSPECT

THERE ARE OTHERS.

THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN ARCHITECTURE BY WHICH THE TRUMP

CAMPAIGN SWEPT THINGS UNDER THE RUGS.

THE FACT MICHAEL CONE WAS ABLE TO PONY UP $130,000 FOR

SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRICED INTO DONALD TRUMP ANYWAY,

DONALD TRUMP HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH AN ADULT FILM ACTRESS IS

NOT MIND BLOWING, RIGHT.

>> Stephen: BECAUSE A FEW WEEKS BEFORE HE PAID HER THE

$130,000 WAS THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD BUST.

>> THAT'S WHAT FREAKED THEM OUT, A LOW POINT FOR THE CAMPAIGN,

AND THAT'S THE DAY WEEKES PUBLISHES THE FIRST GROUP OF

JOHN PODESTA E-MAILS WHICH IS THE SAME DAY THE ACCESS

HOLLYWOOD TAPE CAME OUT.

I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT THE FACT THIS

GOT SIGNED IN THE WAKE OF THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE THAT

SUGGEST THEY WERE PANICKED ABOUT T WHAT THE EFFECT OF THE TAPE

WERE THAT MAKE ME INTERESTED IN P THE TIMING OF THE WEEKES

PUBLISHING.

>> Stephen: THERE IS AN IMPLICATION I WANT TO T.D. TEASE

OUT WHICH IS YOU THINK THERE IS SOMEONE RELEASED THE HOLLYWOOD

ACCESS TAPE TO BURY -- >> NO, THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

>> Stephen: GO AHEAD.

I THINK THERE'S A PLAUSIBLE CASE THAT THE W W WikiLeaks

PUBLISHED IT AFTER THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD.

WHY DIDN'T THEY PUBLISH IT THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON.

>> Stephen: THAT WOULD TAKE COORDINATION TO WikiLeaks

AND EVEN THE RUSSIANS THAT PROVIDED THE E-MAILS TO

WikiLeaks.

ARE YOU INTO COLLUSION, WALKS LIKE A DUCK, TALKS LIKE A DUCK,

LET'S INDICT THE DUCK?

( LAUGHTER ) >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T

KNOW.

HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY, I STARTED AS A PERSON WHO

GENERALLY SHIES AWAY FROM CONSPIRACY THEORIES, THAT THINKS

OF COORDINATING A BUNCH OF ACTORS IN SECRET IS HARD AND

STUFF USUALLY COMES OUT.

AS THE FACTS COME IN, THE SIMPLEST EXPLANATION IS EVERYONE

IS RUNNING AROUND ACTING GUILTY BECAUSE THEY ARE GUILTY.

WHY IS EVERYONE LYING TO INVESTIGATORS?

WHY IS EVERYONE MAKING STUFF UP AND ACTING SUPER GUILTY?

THEY'RE ACTING SUPER GUILTY BECAUSE THEY ARE.

MAYBE THEY AREN'T.

MAYBE THEY'RE ACTING SUPER GUILTY WHEN THEY'RE INNOCENT.

>> Stephen: ALL ARE BEHAVING THE SAME WAY.

THE THING ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHICH HAS PROVEN

TRUE, WHATEVER YOU THINK IS HAPPENING IS EXACTLY WHAT'S

HAPPENING.

>> CORRECT.

IT'S FUNNY HE FIRED COMBY AND THEN HAD TWO RUSSIANS AT THE

WHITE HOUSE WITH NO NOTICE TO TELL THEM HE FIRED COMBY AND

TOOK THE PRESSURE OFF.

>> Stephen: YEAH.

THEN HE KEEPS TRYING TO FIRE HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THEN HE TRIES TO FIRE MUELLER.

WHY IS THE PRESIDENT OBSTRUCTING THIS INQUIRY?

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE.

>> Stephen: NO WAY OF KNOWING OTHER THAN HIM TELLING LESTER

HOLT.

>> IF WE COULD JUST GET ONE MORE INTERVIEW WITH LESTER HOLT.

>> Stephen: WHO'S NEXT TO GO?

THERE'S A 4 #% TURNOVER IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, 42%.

>> VERY HIGH, IF YOU HAD THAT ON YOUR SHOW, IT WOULD BE A

PROBLEM.

>> Stephen: WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD?

( LAUGHTER ) ALL THESE RUMORS, TERRELLSON'S

GOING TO GO, AND KELLY'S GOING TO GO.

WHO'S NEXT, DO YOU THINK?

>> THE REPORTING INDICATES H.R.

MCMASTER IS MAYBE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK, SO PEOPLE ARE

SORT OF ANGLING FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW THE THING TILLERSON FIGURED OUT WHICH IS ONE OF THE

GREAT IRONIES OF DONALD TRUMP A MAN WHO BECAME FAMOUS ON A SHOW

WHERE HE SAYS "YOU'RE FIRED" AS THE CATCH PHRASE, HE DOESN'T

LIKE TO FIRE PEOPLE.

FOR ALL OF THE THINGS HE'S TERRIBLE ABOUT, HE CAN'T FIRE

PEOPLE.

>> Stephen: IT'S ONE OF THE FEW THINGS I FIND POSITIVE ABOUT

DONALD TRUMP.

>> I FIND IT RELATABLE.

HE'S TOO MUCH OF A WIMP TO SAY, YOU'RE FIRED.

>> Stephen: IF YOU LIKE FIRING PEOPLE, YOU'RE AN (BLEEP).

( LAUGHTER ) WE HAVE TO GO IN A MINUTE.

BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BOOK IS IN PAPERBACK, "A COLONY

IN A NATION."

>> YES.

>> Stephen: I ALMOST CALLED IT "A NATION IN A COLONY."

EXPLAIN THAT.

>> THE WAYS ABOUT WHICH TWO SEPARATE LEGAL REGIMES OPERATE

IN THE UNITED STATES, ONE LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE EXPECT IN A

DEMOCRACY WITH DUE PROCESS, AND ONE IN POOR AREAS DOESN'T HAVE

WHAT WE WANT IN A DEMOCRACY.

IT'S ABOUT THE WAY JUSTICE FUNCTIONS, THE POLICIES OF LAW

AND ORDER, THE RHETORIC OF WHICH THIS PRESIDENT HAS DONE A GOOD

JOB OF MAKING VERY APPARENT.

>> Stephen: KENNEDY FAMOUSLY SAID THOSE WHO MAKE PEACEFUL

REVOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE MAKE VIOLENT REVOLUTION INEVITABLE.

IF THERE REALLY IS A COLONY AND AGENT, AT A CERTAIN POINT, THE

PEOPLE BEING COLONIZED RISE UP.

>> YOU SEE FRUSTRATION.

ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WENT TO

FERGUSON AND BALTIMORE, ISSUED REPORTS, AND THE SCALE AND SCOPE

OF PEOPLE'S INDIGNITY, THE BASIC RIGHT OF HUMAN CITIZENS IS

REMARKABLE AND HORRIFYING AND NOTHING WE SHOULD TOLERATE.

>> Stephen: I KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR SHOW.

"A COLONY IN A NATION" IS NOW OUT IN PAPERBACK.

CHRIS HAYES, EVERYBODY!