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PBS NEWSHOUR: Syndicated columnist Mark Shields and New York Times columnist David Brooks
join Judy Woodruff to discuss the week's news, including President Trump choosing John
Bolton for his third national security adviser, the departure of John Dowd from the president's
Russia probe legal team, plus former model Karen McDougal sues to be able to tell her
story of an affair with Trump.
Brooks said the resignation of lead Trump lawyer John Dowd signals "full-scale war"
against special counsel Robert Mueller.
"To me, the Dowd resignation, or whatever it was, that's a big event, because it really
does signal the — Dowd, one of the things, he was cooperating with Mueller," he said.
"He wanted to play professionally with Mueller and not be — let's not going to go full-scale
war," Brooks said of Dowd.
"And his departure suggests that full-scale war or something closer to it is coming.
And the Republicans are going to have to think about that.
And if there's any shred that they — if he fires Mueller, we get into this full-scale
battle, that they will separate themselves from Donald Trump, they better prepare for
that now, because it's certainly looking a lot more likely today."
Transcript of Brooks, via PBS NewsHour:
JUDY WOODRUFF: David, what do you make not only of [John] Bolton, but just the sequence
of changes, almost one right after the other, at the White House?
DAVID BROOKS, NEW YORK TIMES: Well, first, on Bolton, I think, ideologically, Trump probably
should have picked him first.
I think a president should pick the sort of person who shares their world view.
And if there is anybody in the Republican foreign policy galaxy who shares President
Trump's world view, it's John Bolton.
In the administration, he came up with the — he was talking about America first long
before Donald Trump ever was.
When he served earlier in the earlier Bush administration, he was a relentless foe of
sort of the Republican establishment, the Colin Powells.
He was a relentless foe of the conservatives — of the neoconservatives, who believed
in democracy and human rights..
He was an old-style what we call paleocon, power vs. power kind of conservative.
So, Trump at least got somebody he agrees with.
Temperamentally, I agree with Mark.
He was famously thought of as a kiss-up, kick-down kind of guy.
He was famously thought of as someone who didn't look at issues honestly, look at
intelligence honestly, but came with a highly ideological predisposition.
I don't think he's the worst thing in the world.
He comes across a lot of issues that I do think seriously increases the chance that
we will have some military action in North Korea and Iran.
But he's not a complete loon.
He just has a bellicose, old style, we need just to be more powerful than anybody else
around, and we need to threaten that power all the time, which, when you take — combine
it with a temperamentally unstable president, that's a dangerous combination...
I still think it's far from a sure thing that it will be super bellicose, super militaristic.
The foreign policy school that Trump has somehow glommed onto and then John Bolton definitely
subscribes to really goes back into ancient pre-World War II Republican history, which
was much more heartland, much more isolationist almost, but no sense of foreign policy idealism,
no sense we want to make the world a better place, that we want to give people dignity,
we want to give them human rights.
That's not part of the equation.
It's much more, we're in a great power struggle, and they're tough and we're
tough.
And that's just the way they see the world.
It's an old-fashioned, more, as I say, pre-Cold War style of Republican foreign policy.
But it did tend to be non-adventurist.
And so there was some restraint even back in the early America first days.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So you don't see them being quick on the trigger?
DAVID BROOKS: As I say, more quick on the trigger than with Rex Tillerson and H.R. McMaster,
that's for sure, but I wouldn't say we're necessarily marching off to war.
I do think Trump still — his instinct is, I don't want to spend blood and treasure
abroad.
His constituency doesn't want to fight another war.
I think he would be slow to want to commit troops anywhere, just by his instinct.
He's a domestic policy guy...
And I guess the one fear you would add is not so much what you believe, but just a swirl
of machismo.
This is an administration which is — whose masculinity is on high decibel, while being
extremely unstable.
And so that would be the — the whipping up in a frenzy would be the part I would emphasize,
I would worry about...
DAVID BROOKS: Yes, well, I would have thought these evangelical Trump supporters would have
left Trump after the first of the six or seven deadly sins.
And now we're up to 800.
So, I'm not convinced anything else will happen.
Maybe if there's photographic evidence, that that will change some minds.
But you look at some of the polling, when that "Access Hollywood" tape came out,
Trump support increased.
It didn't go down among some of those people, because they found themselves in the tribal
war, and the logic of tribe kicked in.
To me, the Dowd resignation, or whatever it was, that's a big event, because it really
does signal the — Dowd, one of the things, he was cooperating with Mueller.
He was — he wanted to play professionally with Mueller and not be — let's not going
to go full-scale war.
And his departure suggests that full-scale war or something closer to it is coming.
And the Republicans are going to have to think about that.
And if there's any shred that they — if he fires Mueller, we get into this full-scale
battle, that they will separate themselves from Donald Trump, they better prepare for
that now, because it's certainly looking a lot more likely today than…
JUDY WOODRUFF: Where do we look for — David, in 15 seconds, for stability in this White
House?
DAVID BROOKS: The chaos is the stability.
It's in the president himself.
It's just — he's going to be like this as long as he's there.
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