(Singing) I know my God has made the way for
me. I know my God has made the way for me.
ANNOUNCER: Welcome to the Believer's Voice of Victory
with Gloria Copeland and her daughter Kellie Copeland. Learn
the one thing God is looking for from His body
of believer's, being available to spend time
in His presence. Now, here's Gloria.
GLORIA: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
Voice of Victory. Kellie's back with us today, and
we're going to be talking about walking with God,
walking in the Spirit. Hallelujah. You know, that's
what makes the difference in this life, is to stay in contact
with the Lord. Hearing, obeying what He says to do always works.
So, Kellie, we're going to be listening. We're all ears.
KELLIE: I--I have to give you a little background about why
we're talking about this right now. GLORIA: Okay. KELLIE: But,
you know, I think when people hear the term, "Walk in the
Spirit," in their mind, they fill in the blank with, "Then
you won't fulfill the lust of the flesh." And then they start
thinking, "Oh, now you're going to get in my business." You
know, it-- GLORIA: Well, you won't fulfill lust of the flesh
when you walk with the Spirit. KELLIE: Well, we aren't trying
to-- GLORIA: We don't deny it. KELLIE: --get in your business,
but I promise you, you want Jesus in your business. GLORIA:
Oh, my, I remember when He wasn't in our business. It was a
sad commentary. KELLIE: It was not good, was it? GLORIA: No.
KELLIE: But, Mom, I'm so excited about this. This--I've--I got
ahold of a message that you did, and it just was so exciting. I
mean, it lit a fire in my life. GLORIA: How many years ago did I
preach it? KELLIE: And so when I got the whole set and listened
to it--it was an eight-CD set. It's called "Walk in the
Spirit," and it wasn't like talking about the fruit of the
Spirit, but as I listened to it, I realized it's from March of
1983. GLORIA: '83? KELLIE: And what is funny is it's 35 years
ago this month. 35 years ago, you taught this. GLORIA: How
could it be--how could I be that old? KELLIE: Well, it was so--I
know. It was so prophetic, Mom. And it just-- GLORIA: Wow, I
need to listen to it again. KELLIE: It just blessed me so
much that-- GLORIA: I know that I don't remember that. When I
got all that about walking in the Spirit, it really helped me
and opened some things up for me as well, so it ministered to me.
KELLIE: Well--and you know what I love about it? You can
tell when I'm listening to this, it didn't come out of your,
like, "Okay, I'm just--I'm going to study so I can preach."
You're preaching--you're--it came totally out of your--the
life flow that was going on in your life at that time. GLORIA:
Praise God. KELLIE: And so we can--we're going to--this next
two weeks-- GLORIA: That'll be interesting. KELLIE: --are going
to be very fluid. We're just going to let the Holy Ghost lead
us in this and let Jesus be in charge of these next two weeks.
So it's not like I have a hard and fast plan, but I'll give you
a little overview. GLORIA: Okay, we'll go with it. KELLIE: We're
going to hear some of that. You're going to get to see a few
minutes every day of that live teaching that you did. GLORIA:
Uh-oh. Was my hair like this? KELLIE: Oh, my word. GLORIA: Was
it big hair? KELLIE: You know, I've been listening to the
audio, so I'm not sure. GLORIA: Oh. KELLIE: I think you were
little hair. GLORIA: Little hair, okay. KELLIE: Like, I
think it was short, but I'm not sure because I've only been
listening-- GLORIA: That'll be fine. KELLIE: --to the audio.
GLORIA: You all can laugh. That's okay. KELLIE: Nobody's
going to be laughing. They're going to be thinking, "Oh,
Jesus, I want that," because even--I--maybe we'll play this
part when you said, "I--" I can't even do it like you did,
Mom. "I want a move of God more than I want my own breath."
GLORIA: Mm. KELLIE: And I'm telling you, it will light a
fire under you. GLORIA: Oh, let's do it. That's good.
KELLIE: And so you were--the context of what you were
teaching is--and you said in this, March '83, "Some months
ago, I began to hear from the Lord about taking an hour a
day--" GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: "--and spending it with the
Lord." So you hadn't been doing that for that long. But you had
been-- GLORIA: Well, that-- KELLIE: That really flipped your
world around, didn't it? GLORIA: It did, it did. KELLIE: And
it--you know, the Lord'll tell us things like that because--for
several reasons-- GLORIA: It always--it always does us good.
You know, you might think, "Well, I don't have time to do
that," but you make time when you're told to do something.
KELLIE: You make time because the things He wants to get into
your life don't come first and then you get all great and then
you can make the time. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: He will
pull you. He was drawing you, Mom. And the funny thing is, is
I hear in your voice, when I'm listening, the same things that
I've been feeling for the last couple of years. Increasingly,
I have been drawn into His presence-- GLORIA: Amen.
KELLIE: --drawn to be with Him in a deeper way. GLORIA: Praise
God. That's just called, "Growing up." KELLIE: It's
growing. You said--I heard you say it this
morning on the set, you said, "If you're not willing
to change, you're not willing to grow." GLORIA: That's right.
KELLIE: And so I'm just so inspired, Mom. I want to
thank you for the 35--for the whatever-plus years
you spent up to this point and then the 35 years you've
spent since, walking these things out-- GLORIA: Praise
God. KELLIE: --and growing to a new level, because the
things that you said, they're for today. Like I said, it's so
prophetic. And I'm really believing God. And I want
you to join us and you join us-- GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: --join me
to believing Him for a prophetic Word-- GLORIA: Thank You, Lord.
Yes, we agree-- KELLIE: --in these next two weeks. GLORIA:
--as touching that-- KELLIE: Thank You, Jesus. GLORIA: --that
we will hear from heaven. We will hear a prophetic Word--
KELLIE: Yes, Lord, a fresh Word-- GLORIA: --in Jesus' name
where--right now-- KELLIE: --from You. GLORIA: --what we
need to hear and do in Jesus' name. KELLIE: Yes, Lord. GLORIA:
Amen. KELLIE: Thank You, Lord. GLORIA: Well, we're looking
forward to that, Kellie. KELLIE: And, you know, really,
the--maybe the surroundings may look different. I mean, the
world certainly looks different now than it did 35 years ago.
GLORIA: Yes, it does. KELLIE: And it certainly looks different
than it did 2,035 years ago, but He said one thing is needed. And
it's still that one thing, that one thing of spending time with
Him-- GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --will take you to
everything else-- GLORIA: That's exactly right. KELLIE: --that we
think we need. It's the one thing. And it's so funny to me,
too, Mom. Like, I'm listening to your--to your--to you teach and
preach, and there's so much in it that we've been covering on
the broadcasts the last year or two. We've talked a lot about
communion with Him, oneness with Him. We've talked about Mary and
Martha until-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --I didn't even think
there was anything else about Mary and Martha to learn, but lo
and behold. I don't know if we'll talk about them this week,
but-- GLORIA: Well, I'm looking forward to hearing it, myself.
KELLIE: --I have seen some other things about them. And I
just--they're--you know, these things that He's drawing us into
is just a matter of coming closer. And every time you come
closer, you go deeper-- GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --because
you come closer, He comes closer. And-- GLORIA: And every
time you go deeper, you get more blessed. KELLIE: That's right.
And that's His goal. I mean, He wants us--and then there's this
place-- GLORIA: Freer. KELLIE: --where you--anyway, we'll get
into it. GLORIA: Okay. KELLIE: I don't want to get ahead of
myself. GLORIA: Okay. KELLIE: So you start talking
about faithfulness. In the very first part of this series, you
talk about faithfulness. And you--this is--some of these
things, I have written down exact quotes, or pretty exact
quotes from some of these things. So I'm going to read
some of the things that you said and we'll stop and talk about
them. GLORIA: Okay. KELLIE: You said, "God has been working with
us, showing us things to--to take us where He wants us to
go." And this--I love this. You said-- GLORIA: This was in
March? KELLIE: March of '83. GLORIA: 1983, think about it.
KELLIE: "God is not looking for ability, He's looking for
availability. It doesn't matter what you are in the natural. It
doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter how
smart you are or what birth order or what birth privileges
you have or didn't have." You said, "The natural realm is no
problem to God. He's got the ability, and He'll give you His
ability. What He has to do or what He has to have is to get
someone who will make themselves available to Him."
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: And you were talking about when
God is wanting to move, God is on the move, He wants something
in this earth, He needs an available person--
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --not an amazing
person. And I love that you-- GLORIA: He's the one that's
amazing. We just have to be connected to Him. KELLIE: Right.
And I think sometimes religion has said, "You better clean it
up. You better get more amazing. You better--you don't
have anything to offer to God." And my prayer is that
by the end of this week and the next week, you'll think, "I
don't need anything more to offer. He didn't ask me for
anything more than I have today." GLORIA: That's right.
KELLIE: I heard Michael Koulianos talking, and he was
talking about being with Jesus. And he said, "The only land mass
Jesus is after is right there, your heart." GLORIA: That's
good. KELLIE: That's the only--that's what He's after.
That's the main thing that He's after. And, of course, He said
one thing is needed. Now, I wrote out here, "You can look at
this with Mary and Martha, but you can also look at this with
Peter," which you go into all the--you know, talking about
Peter and how, you know, many of us want to say, "No," to
temptation. But saying, "No," to temptation is not about just
having a willpower. Saying, "No," to temptation is about
walking with Him. GLORIA: It's a decision. KELLIE: God
said--Jesus said to him, "Watch and pray--" And we'll get into
this later. But I'm just kind of giving you an overview. "Watch
and pray so that you won't enter into temptation at all." GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: And you said on the CD you used to think
it meant, "Pray that you won't." GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: But you
said, "Now I know that He's saying He'll prepare you for the
temptation." If you watch--keep your eyes on Him and if you
spend time with Him--like He was saying, "Could you not tarry
with me?" He just--He wasn't--I think sometimes we think about,
"Well, I'm going to go pray," and we think of ourselves as
being kind of alone, "I'm by myself." But He said, "Could you
not tarry with me?" GLORIA: Yes. KELLIE: "Could you not watch
with me?" GLORIA: That's right. That's what He said. KELLIE: And
so He's wanting--He was wanting them. You said, "The idea is, if
you spend time in prayer with Him, then you won't even enter
into that temptation." GLORIA: That's right. That's good.
KELLIE: So even in all of this--I'll--I may repeat this
over and over. One thing is needful, and that's that
communion with Jesus-- GLORIA: That's right. You've
got to share with the Lord. KELLIE: --that time with Him.
GLORIA: You're right. KELLIE: And, you know, Mom, this is how
He's been dealing with me, drawing me. He's been so
patient. He's been so encouraging to me to
be available. But--and when I am available, He
always rewards me. So sometime today, I want to just--and this
week, they're-- GLORIA: Okay, good. KELLIE: --this
little torn-up looking notebook has been so precious to me
because-- GLORIA: The one out of the paper sack? KELLIE: Yeah.
GLORIA: That's what it looks like. KELLIE: It looks like it.
But these things that He's spoken to me when He wakes me up
in the morning--and it's not been every morning, but I feel
like it could have been. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: Like, my
availability to Him has been the thing-- GLORIA: Now, that's a
key right there. KELLIE: --that increases it or decreases it.
GLORIA: Your--our availability, our taking time to hear from Him
is a key. KELLIE: And He's so encouraging, though. Like, of
course, this-- GLORIA: Oh, it's exciting. KELLIE: --this
one--this one word that I just thought, "Well, I'll start with
this one," they go back, I guess, to about September. It
started where I would just--He would say, "Get up," and wake me
up. And I'm going to be really honest and real with you all,
okay? I'm not there every day. I haven't been, but I'm increasing
and increasing my devotedness. You don't go get devoted to God
and then you're done. GLORIA: No. That's the way you live.
KELLIE: You increase, consistently, your devotedness.
And He doesn't want you to be ashamed of your lack of
faithfulness or devotedness. He's just calling you. You know,
you're blessed. The Word says, "Those who answer the call to
worship," those who hear and answer the call to worship,
we're blessed when we do. And He is calling us. He's calling you.
There's not one person that's hearing me today that he's not
calling. He's calling your name. So when I heard Him call my
name, and He was waking me up--and this may be similar to
how it was for you because He was calling your name and you
just made the decision, "I'm going to get up and pray." And I
want to--I want to hear about some of that. GLORIA: You felt
led to do that. KELLIE: But when He was--how He's been with me
is-- GLORIA: Actually, I was told to do that. KELLIE: He told
you to do it, and you did it. GLORIA: And I'm so glad. It
changed my life. KELLIE: You know what I love about you is
your determination and your decision to do the things--
GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: --that He's told you to do.
GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: And I think, for me, just to
be honest, I--I struggled with, like, my life elsewhere. And
when I say that, I mean, you know, mom, minister, worker.
GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: You know, I had four kids growing
up, but now they're all grown, but now I--as a 50--almost
50--well, I'm 54 and I have a seven-year old in school and
grandkids and-- GLORIA: You just don't get to quit, do you?
KELLIE: Ha-ha, so--and working mom. And while I'm not saying
those are excuses, they can be reasons that you don't focus
where you should. But in my--in my times of devotedness--now, I
will say this: Since He has drawn me in the way--and I went.
I went with Him. GLORIA: Yes, amen. KELLIE: A couple of years
ago, I'm just like, "You know what, Lord? I belong to you."
GLORIA: That's the best thing to do. KELLIE: My days are spent
with Him. I'm consistently in His presence. I talk to Him all
day long. GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: I get up a lot and pray.
But I haven't done yet what you--and I told the Lord, "2018,
that's my year." And we taped this earlier in the year. By the
time you hear this, I will say, "Yes, that's me. I'm every
morning," because that's my goal. That's my determination.
GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: But it's also because He's calling me--
GLORIA: It's very rewarding. KELLIE: --and He--He's a
rewarder. And so-- GLORIA: That's what the scripture says,
"He's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him." KELLIE:
Diligently seek Him. GLORIA: Now, when you get up, you've got
a job, you've got to go to work, and you get up early enough to
pray, that's diligently seeking Him. KELLIE: That's diligent.
GLORIA: That's a good description of "diligent."
KELLIE: Can you read that, Mom, look that up? It's-- GLORIA:
Where is it? KELLIE: --Hebrews 11:6. But I want--and while you
look it up, I'll tell you what The Passion says. GLORIA: Okay.
KELLIE: It says, "To those who give all their passion and
strength into seeking Him." GLORIA: Ooh, I like that.
KELLIE: And I thought, "That is such a descriptor." GLORIA: That
is excellent. KELLIE: What do you do and where are your
passions going? We're going to talk about that this week. I
heard you teach this morning, Mom, on this series. GLORIA: You
did? KELLIE: Ha-ha. I was like, "Oh, Lord, you're getting me."
And that's good. He wants us to be pulled in. And the closer we
get to the flame, the closer we get to Jesus-- GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: --the more stuff is burned away. GLORIA: The
more--the fire warms you the closer you get to the flame.
KELLIE: And the more rewarding and the happier and the more
blessed-- GLORIA: That's the truth. KELLIE: --and the more
impactful you're going to become. GLORIA: The more you
give to Him, the greater your return-- KELLIE: That's the
truth. GLORIA: --in every area--every area of your life.
KELLIE: And it's not hard. GLORIA: Hallelujah. Okay, what
do you want to read? KELLIE: Hebrews 11:6, what does that
say? GLORIA: Okay, "But without faith it is impossible to please
him--" so that settles that issue "--for to--for to him that
cometh to God must believe that he is." I have so many notes on
this page, I have to--I can't read for the writing. Okay.
"--that he is and that he is the rewarder of them that diligently
seek him." KELLIE: Mm. GLORIA: And then in that same chapter,
it's interesting to see that the great men and women of God did
things by faith. You know, it says, "By faith Noah, by faith
Joshua," you know, by faith. So it's a very interesting chapter
to study well. KELLIE: And the thing-- GLORIA: Abraham. KELLIE:
--the things that we're going to get into tomorrow, Mom--because
what you began talking about is faithfulness. And you said,
"It's being devoted." GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: And
it's--what we're going to see is--like talking about Moses, it
was faith that made him step out and leave his--you know, do what
God said to do when He came to him in the burning bush. It was
faith that made him step out, but it was faithfulness that
took him into the wilderness for somebody else, because,
actually, he was already free. He was free, but it was
faithfulness that took him back to the place of bondage for him,
back to Egypt where he had been in-- GLORIA: Yeah, yeah. KELLIE:
--where he could have been in--he wasn't in bondage in
Egypt, but he--coming back, he would be. Coming back to it, it
was a place of bondage. GLORIA: Regardless, doing what He said,
regardless. KELLIE: But he was free. But it's faithfulness--you
said on here--on this set, you said, "We've done--we've had a
lot of teaching about faith. And we know how to walk by faith--"
GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: "--but now it's time for
faithfulness." GLORIA: Oh, yeah. KELLIE: And we're going to talk
about that some. GLORIA: That's right. That's good. KELLIE: So
when the Lord's been working with me, Mom, He'll say--and I
think I've talked about this some on the broadcast in the
past, but He'll say--I'll say to Him--I've noticed that it
happens less when I don't say this. And I got busy, you know,
over the holidays and busy traveling and ministering and
bed late, up early-- GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: --and I neglected
to say this as often as I had been because I was
saying it every night. "Now, Lord--" I'll set my alarm and
say, "Now, Lord, you can wake me up earlier than
this if you want to." And I noticed that when I--
GLORIA: That's good, Kellie. KELLIE: --delayed saying that--
GLORIA: That's good. KELLIE: --it didn't happen quite as
often, but sometimes it did. But He said some amazing things to
me. So let me just read you a little bit-- GLORIA: Okay, good.
KELLIE: --before we close out this broadcast today. He said,
"My words are life to you." GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE:
Now, I'm just hearing and writing. I have to go back,
really, to see what He said to me because I'm not thinking.
GLORIA: You've just got one minute. KELLIE: "Take them
seriously and take them to your heart. I have mentioned you to
My Father many times. Our heart is for you." GLORIA: Praise God.
KELLIE: "Our plan is to bring you to a new place of complete
wholeness. Don't worry over things--how things have been up
until now. You've not been far away from My plan at any time."
GLORIA: Praise--isn't that a comforting Word? KELLIE: Isn't
that good? GLORIA: Glory to God. KELLIE: He said, "Today,
it's simply a matter of adjustments and grace. You
have that and it is more than enough." GLORIA: That's
excellent. KELLIE: And I think that's true from everybody. We
think we're so far away from the plan of God because of
circumstances. But He doesn't--it doesn't take
Him long to get you moved from where you were--
GLORIA: Oh, absolutely. KELLIE: --to where He wants
you to be. So from His perspective, nobody on
the planet is that far from His plan. And so we're going to see,
these next two weeks-- GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: --that His
plan is for us to just come on in. GLORIA: I like the sound
of this. Good. Kellie and I'll be right back.
GLORIA: It's what's in your heart that makes
a difference. And many people have tried to walk
by faith without their heart being toward God, without
their heart being devoted, blameless, dedicated, and
loyal. And it just won't work that way. And that's the
reason that people have been misunderstood that live by faith
and teach the Word of faith. I tell you, even the faith people
have misunderstood themselves. And a lot of times, they think,
"Well, we're really--we're really going to--we're going to
confess this until it comes to pass." Well, if it's not in your
heart, you can confess it until the world freezes over,
and it won't come to pass. It's what's in here. It starts here.
Everything with God starts here. God wants the affections of your
heart. The Bible tells us to set our affections on things that
are above and not on things that are beneath. And we just happen
to have come to a time in God's time, in His timetable, where
that's what it's going to take in order to live above the evil
that's in the earth. The--the world around us is not getting
any better; it's getting worse. So we have to get stronger
spiritually in order not to be affected by it. And people have
been able to live a lot more with one foot in and one foot
out than they're going to be able to live successfully from
here on out. Nobody's been very successful at that. Nobody's
been successful at it, but we've gotten by with it. That's what I
should say. We've gotten by with it more than we can now because
we're at a different time. When God manifests His Spirit in the
earth, He expects more out of the people, out of His people.
He expects more out of you. "To whom much is given, much is
required." And you're in a generation to whom much is going
to be given. I mean, we're going to learn to walk in the
supernatural as naturally as a bird flies through the air or a
fish swims through the water. You're not going to
be conscious of your faith. You're just going to walk.
ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed today's teaching from Kenneth
Copeland Ministries. And remember Jesus is Lord.
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