>>> SO MUCH FOR CIVIL GOP
PRIMARY FOR GOVERNOR.
>>> JOINING US ON "COLUMBUS ON
THE RECORD," ANN FISHER, HOST OF
"ALL SIDES WITH ANN FISHER," JIM
SIEGEL, STATE HOUSE REPORTER FOR
""THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH,"" MIKE
GONIDAKIS, REPUBLICAN
STRATEGIST, AND SANDY THEIS,
DIRECTOR OF PROGRESS OHIO.
THE REPUBLICAN RACE FOR GOVERNOR
HAS TAKEN A NASTY TURN.
A VERY SHARP, VERY NASTY TURN.
MARY TAYLOR HAS BEEN GOING HARD
AFTER MIKE DeWINE SINCE THE
START OF THE CAMPAIGN SUGGESTING
HE'S TOO OLD, TOO LIBERAL, AND
NOW DOES HE LIKE DISCO.
>> IN 1976 THE BIG RED MACHINE
WON ITS SECOND CONSECUTIVE WORLD
SERIES.
DISCO WAS SWEEPING THE NATION
AND THE CARTER MALAISE WAS
BEGINNING.
1976 WAS THE YEAR MIKE DeWINE
WON HIS FIRST ELECTION, FROM
PROSECUTOR TO STATE SENATOR TO
CONGRESSMAN, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR
TO U.S. SENATOR TO ATTORNEY
GENERAL.
MIKE DeWINE HAS BEEN ON A
GOVERNMENT PAYROLL FOR THE
BETTER PART OF 42 YEARS.
>> THAT AD WAS AN INTERNET AD
AND THEN TAYLOR'S PAC STARTED
RUNNING AN AD ON TV SAYING
DeWINE SUPPORTS HILLARY CLINTON
MORE THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP.
DeWINE LARGELY HAS IGNORED MARY
TAYLOR TO THIS POINT.
WELL, HE'S IGNORING HER NO MORE.
>> MARY TAYLOR READY TO BE
GOVERNOR?
TAYLOR CAN'T KEEP HER STAFF,
RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT HER
LEADERSHIP AND OVERSIGHT.
SHE WAS BUSTED USING THE STATE
AIRPLANE FOR PERSONAL USE.
AND SHE SKIPS OUT ON WORK.
A SLACKER WHOSE WORK SCHEDULE IS
ALMOST UNTRACEABLE.
MARY TAYLOR, UNFIT AND
UNQUALIFIED.
MIKE DeWINE IS A PROVEN
CONSERVATIVE.
ENDORSED BY THE OHIO REPUBLICAN
PARTY AND OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE.
MIKE DeWINE FOR GOVERNOR.
>> IF CALLING HER A SLACKER WAS
NOT ENOUGH, DeWINE CAMPAIGN HAS
ALSO SET UP A TWITTER ACCOUNT
CALLING MARY TAYLOR UNFIT,
UNQUALIFIED WITH PICTURES OF HER
YELLING AND SITTING ON A JET
SKI.
ONE TWEET CRITICIZED HER USE OF
A STATE PLANE, CALLING IT
CRIMINAL AND USED
THE #LOCKHERUP.
JIM SIEGEL, MIKE DeWINE HAS GONE
FULL MIKE FLYNN.
WHY HAS HE GONE SO NEGATIVE?
>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF
THEORIES AS TO WHY THEY'RE DOING
THIS.
I MEAN, THE SIMPLEST ONE IS THAT
MARY TAYLOR'S PAC SPENT $700,000
ON AN ATTACK AD AGAINST HIM,
SAYING THAT HE -- YOU KNOW,
ATTACKING HIM ON IMMIGRATION AND
CHINA AND BASICALLY SAYING IF
YOU LIKE TRUMP, YOU WON'T LIKE
MIKE DeWINE.
SO, THEY'RE SIMPLY RESPONDING IN
KIND.
NOT LETTING THESE THINGS GO
UNCHALLENGED.
THERE'S OTHER RUMORS -- THEORIES
ABOUT WHAT DO THE POLLS REALLY
LOOK LIKE?
MY THOUGHT, THERE ALSO COULD
JUST BE THE FACT THAT, LOOK,
MARY TAYLOR HAS SAID A LOT OF
NASTY THINGS ABOUT NOT JUST
DeWINE BUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
IN GENERAL.
THEY'RE READY TO PUNCH BACK AND
NOT STAND HERE AND TAKE IT.
THE DeWINE CAMPAIGN HAS SO MUCH
SPENDING THAT SPENDING $500,000,
$1 MILLION OR WHATEVER TO BEAT
UP MARY TAYLOR IN THE PRIMARY
WON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON WHETHER
THEY CAN WIN FOR NOVEMBER.
>> IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
>> IT'S NOT THE BEST WEEK WE'VE
HAD IN POLITICS.
WHAT HAPPENED TO MARY TAYLOR.
THEY PUT OUT STUFF THAT DeWINE
WASN'T AT THE REPUBLICAN
NATIONAL CONVENTION.
I HAVE PICTURES OF US ON THE
FLOOR OF THE CONVENTION.
SHE'S DESPERATE.
SHE'S THROWING EVERYTHING AT THE
WALL SHE CAN.
EVERY COUNTY HAS ENDORSED MIKE.
ELECTED OFFICIALS UNENDORSING
MARY RIGHT NOW.
I LIKE MARY TAYLOR STILL.
I KNOW THIS IS POLITICS AT IT'S
BEST, I GUESS.
I WOULD TELL MIKE, DON'T PUNCH
DOWN.
DON'T STOOP TO THAT LEVEL.
FOCUS ON THE FUTURE.
>> WELL, HE ALREADY HAS STOOPED
TO IS THAT LEVEL.
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT.
ANYONE THAT IS AS SECURE LOOKING
AS HE WOULD BE, WHERE IS ALL OF
THAT ENDORSEMENT, ALL OF THAT
MONEY, IT'S A SURPRISE HE'S
PUNCHING BACK.
I'D LOVE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY
INTERNAL POLLING THEY'RE LOOKING
AT.
SOMETHING TO MEASURE AND TO
BETTER UNDERSTAND THIS.
>> SANDY, JOHN KASICH WON IN
2010, SAID THEY KNEW THEY HAD
TED STRICKLAND WHEN STRICKLAND
WENT NEGATIVE RIGHT AWAY.
NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING IS PART OF
ANY CAMPAIGN BUT MIKE DeWINE IS
SEEN AS A NICE GUY, A LOT OF
KIDS, GREAT KIDS.
HAS A BARBECUE WITH HIS WIFE.
NOW HE'S NEGATIVE, NASTY ADS.
>> I THINK IT'S CLOSER THAN IT
LOOKS.
THIS IS A CHANGE YEAR.
WE HAVE A GUY WHO'S BEEN ON THE
BALLOT IN ONE WAYS OR ANOTHER
FOR ALMOST HALF A CENTURY AND WE
HAVE A WOMAN ON THE BALLOT IN
THE YEAR OF THE WOMAN.
AND I THINK HE'S CLEARLY NERVOUS
ABOUT THAT.
>> DOES IT HAVE A BLOWBACK WITH
MODERATES, JIM, IN THE GENERAL,
ASSUMING THAT DeWINE HOLDS THIS
BIG LEAD AND ADVANCES TO THE
GENERAL?
>> I'M NOT SURE.
I MEAN, I NEVER QUITE SURE HOW
PRIMARY -- HOW TOUGH PRIMARY
FIGHTS ARE GOING TO END UP
BLEEDING OVER INTO A GENERAL
ELECTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU
KNOW, IN MAY WE'RE GOING TO VOTE
AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO
THE BALLOT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
WHO KNOWS AT THAT POINT.
YOU TALK ABOUT MIKE DeWINE AS
THE NICE, GRANDFATHERLY TYPE
FIGURE.
HE'S A THROWS ELBOWS POLITICIAN.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME
DeWINE HAS MIXED IT UP BIG TIME
WITH HIS OPPONENT.
LOOK, I'M NOT CRITICIZING.
THAT'S FINE.
BUT THAT'S JUST -- YOU KNOW,
IT'S NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, ICE
CREAM SOCIALS AND GRANDCHILDREN
WHEN IT COMES TIME TO GET IN THE
POLITICAL ARENA.
>> CRITICIZED JOHN GLENN, I SAW
ON TWITTER TODAY.
WHAT ON EARTH HAS JOHN GLENDON,
A PLAY ON WORDS.
>> HE GOT A LOT OF BLOWBACK.
IT HURT HIM AT THE TIME.
>> THE ENERGIZER BUNNY AND THE
BUNNY IN AN ASTRONAUT UNIFORM.
HE KEEPS OWING AND OWING BECAUSE
OF THE MONEY JOHN GLENN OWED.
THAT BLEW UP IN HIS FACE.
>> ULTIMATELY THE CANDIDATE IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAMPAIGN,
BUT COULD THERE BE
OVERENTHUSIASTIC CAMPAIGN AIDES
BEHIND THIS WHO ARE, PERHAPS,
TAKING IT A LITTLE MORE
PERSONAL, MIKE, AND THEY GET A
LITTLE, YOU KNOW, OVERZEALOUS
AND THAT HURTS THE CANDIDATE IN
THE LONG RUN?
>> I'M SURE THE CAMPAIGN STAFF
HAD A LONG TALK WITH THE BOSS
THIS WEEK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE
GOING TO DO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND
WHERE THEY SHOULD STAY.
I THINK THERE WERE SOME MISTAKES
MADE BY SOME CAMPAIGN STAFFERS
ALONG THE WAY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S MIKE
DeWINE, IT'S HIS NAME AND HE HAS
TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
>> IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN THE
TWITTER ACCOUNT FROM DeWINE'S
ACCOUNT CALLED HER CRIMINAL.
THAT'S INTERESTING IN THAT
COMING FROM THE MAN WHO IS THE
CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF
THE STATE, IF IT WAS REALLY
CRIMINAL, I THINK HE COULD HAVE
DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
CONSIDERING SHE'S STILL AN
ELECTED OFFICEHOLDER IN THE
ADMINISTRATION OF GOVERNOR
KASICH AND DOES KASICH THINK IT
WAS -- KASICH DIDN'T LIKE IT.
ASKED HER TO REPAY THE MONEY FOR
THE AIRPLANE RIDE WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT IN THE AD.
GOING TO THE STEP OF CALLING IT
CRIMINAL AND USING THE LOCK HER
UP SLOGAN, THAT WAS A STEP
FURTHER THAN I THINK SOME OF
THIS OTHER STUFF HAS BEEN.
>> DO YOU SEE THE TWO
CANDIDATES, DO YOU SEE THEM
DEBATING?
MIKE DeWINE HAS NOT BEEN WILLING
POINT.
>> WELL, THAT WILL BE THE TRUE
TELL, BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T
DEBATE HER, YOU KNOW HE'S DOING
WELL AND THE POLLS ARE IN HIS
FAVOR, WHATEVER THEY'RE LOOKING
AT.
IF HE DOES DEBATE HER, YOU KNOW
THERE WAS MORE TO THIS PUSHBACK
THAN JUST GETTING SICK AND TIRED
OF HAVING MARY TAYLOR KICK THEIR
BUTT.
>> THAT DISCO AD WAS PRETTY
GOOD.
IT WAS PRETTY GOOD.
>> BROUGHT UP A LOT OF MEMORIES.
>> IT'S A LEGITIMATE POINT SHE'S
MAKING WHEN IT COMES TO HIS TIME
IN OFFICE.
YOU KNOW, MANY HAVE DONE IT
BEFORE.
>> FOND MEMORIES.
FOND MEMORIES OF THE AMC GREMLIN
THAT AD BROUGHT BACK.
JOHN KASICH TRAVELED TO
CALIFORNIA THIS WEEK WHERE HE
PREACHED HIS COMMON SENSE
CONSERVATIVE MESSAGE TO MODERATE
REPUBLICANS HOSTED BY FORMER
CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR ARNOLD
SCHWARZENEGGER.
KASICH TALKED ABOUT HOW HE'S
BRINGING OHIOANS TOGETHER.
>> NOW, ARNOLD, WE'RE TALKING TO
THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT GUNS.
AND WE GOT THE PEOPLE IN FAVOR
OF THE NO CHANGE IN THE SECOND
AMENDMENT WITH THOSE WHO WANT A
CHANGE AND WE REACHED A
CONSENSUS.
>> GOVERNOR FAILED TO MENTION
PREVIOUSLY HE SIGNED BILLS THAT
ALLOWED PEOPLE TO CARRY
CONCEALED GUNS IN BARS AND DAY
CARE CENTERS.
HIS MESSAGE, ANN, WAS WELL
RECEIVED AMONG THIS GROUP OF
MODERATES.
WAS THE SAME SPEECH HE GAVE AT
THE STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS,
MINUS THE PHILOSOPHY.
HOW DO YOU THINK IT PLAYS OUT
THERE?
>> IT PLAYS LIKE YOU WOULD
EXPECT IT TO PLAY.
I MEAN, IT WAS -- HE WAS, YOU
KNOW, LOOKING IN A MIRROR.
HE WAS PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.
PROBABLY A WAY TO RAISE MONEY
AND THAT SORT OF A THING.
YOU KNOW, HE'S SHOWING PEOPLE
WHAT HE'S MADE OF.
I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MAKES
THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE IN THE BIG
PICTURE AT ALL.
>> MIKE, HE SOUNDED LIKE A
DEMOCRAT AT TIMES IN THAT
SPEECH.
>> YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT
GOVERNOR.
YOU KNOW, TWO-TERM ELECTED.
HE'S GOT EIGHT MONTHS LEFT.
COME BACK TO OHIO.
WE HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED HIM HERE.
WE DON'T -- AFTER EIGHT MONTHS
FROM THERE, HE CAN DO WHATEVER
HE WANTS.
BUT I THINK HIS LAST EIGHT
MONTHS SHOULD BE SPENT IN OHIO
TACKLING OPIOID ISSUES AND OTHER
THINGS AT OUR FAMILY TABLE
ISSUES.
>> THAT'S CRAZY.
THAT'S WHAT WE ELECTED HIM TO
DO.
>> WHY IS IT CRAZY?
>> IT'S OBVIOUS HE HASN'T BEEN
INTERESTED IN THAT FOR TWO YEARS
WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT.
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THAT THEN.
>> HE SHOULD COME BACK.
>> GOING TO NEW HAMPSHIRE IN
EARLY APRIL.
HE SAID HE HATES POLITICS, WHICH
I FIND ODD FOR SOMEONE WHO WORKS
IN THE POLITICAL WORLD, BUT HE
WANTS POLICY.
HE DOES TALK A LOT ABOUT POLICY
IN THESE SPEECHES.
HOW MUCH TRUTH IS IT THAT HE
HATES TALKING POLITICS, HE HATES
BEING A POLITICIAN?
>> HE HATES LOSING WHEN HE
DOESN'T GET WHAT HE WANTS.
IF THAT'S WHAT HE MEANS BY --
LOOK, YOU HAVE TO -- YOU HAVE TO
HAVE POLITICS TO GET TO POLICY.
THAT'S JUST THE REALITY.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND HE DOESN'T
LIKE THE POLITICS FOR THE SAKE
OF POLITICS.
NOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S
NO MEANS TO AN END, I GET THE
FRUSTRATION THERE.
LIKE YOU SAID, HE JUST TALKED
ABOUT THAT GUN PROPOSAL, YOU
KNOW, WE'RE TALKING TO THE
LEGISLATURE.
HE DIDN'T SAY, WE'VE INTRODUCED
LEGISLATION, BECAUSE THAT HASN'T
HAPPENED.
TALKING TO THE LEGISLATIVE
LEADERS AGAIN THIS WEEK, THEY'RE
NOT YET GIVING ANY OCCASION IN
WHAT IS AN ELECTION YEAR THEY'RE
GOING TO ROLL ANY PROPOSAL OUT,
EVEN THOUGH MANY SEEMED TO BE
FAIRLY POPULAR.
THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL THE
LOW-HANGING FRUIT ON THE GUN
DEBATE.
THE THINGS HE'S TALKED ABOUT,
BUMP STOCKS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
>> HIS TRIPS TO CALIFORNIA CAME
OUT AS A NEW POLL CAME OUT FROM
BALDWIN WALLACE UNIVERSITY THAT
SHOWS IF THE PRESIDENTIAL
PRIMARY WERE HELD TODAY, DONALD
TRUMP WOULD EASILY BEAT JOHN
KASICH, 62% TO 27%.
SANDY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?
THIS IS AMONG OHIO REPUBLICANS,
JUST AMONG OHIO REPUBLICANS.
>> I DO.
BUT THE REASON HE'S NOT HERE
WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATURE IS
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE HIM
EITHER.
HE GOES OUT TO PLACES WHERE HE
CAN ACT LIKE A MODERATE, LIKE
CALIFORNIA.
HE CAN GET SOME AFFIRMATION FROM
PEOPLE WHO THINK HE'S A
MODERATE, EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT.
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN HE RAN
IN THE PRIMARY AGAINST DONALD
TRUMP AND HE WON THE OHIO
PRIMARY, THE ONLY ONE HE WON, IT
WAS BECAUSE IT WAS HOMETOWN GUY
AND THEY WERE VOTING FOR THEIR
GUY.
NOW, SO MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE
TICKED OFF BECAUSE HE HAS NOT
FALLEN IN STEP WITH THE
PRESIDENT.
AND HE HAS BEEN HIS BY THE WAY
BIGGEST CRITIC, BEFORE AND EVER
SINCE INAUGURATION DAY.
I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'VE BEEN
SO MUCH FALLOUT.
>> MIKE, YOU SUPPORT PRESIDENT
TRUMP, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT
NUMBER?
>> I DO.
LOOK, WHETHER IT'S A DEMOCRATIC
PRESIDENT OR REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENT, THE RANK AND FILE ARE
GOING TO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT
OVER THE GOVERNOR, OVER A
SENATOR, OR ANYONE ELSE.
I THINK THAT NUMBER'S SOLID.
>> DOES IT SAY ANYTHING -- DOES
THAT NUMBER HELP -- DOES THAT
HELP MARY TAYLOR?
SHE'S REALLY TIED HERSELF TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEGATIVE AD,
WHY SHE'S DOING IT.
>> NO, IT DOESN'T HELP.
I'M SORRY.
IT DOESN'T HELP MARY BECAUSE
JUST YESTERDAY BOB PADUCHIK CAME
OUT WITH A STINGING REVIEW OF
MARY AND CAME OUT ENDORSING
DeWINE, SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF
MIKE DeWINE.
>> THAT'S JUST TELLING ME
THEY'RE SEEING SOME NUMBERS THAT
SHOW HER DOING BETTER AND HE'S
COMING OUT WITH A STINGING.
WHY STINGING, WHY NOW?
>> THERE HAS TO BE A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS
AND RANK AND FILE REPUBLICANS
IN --
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS A
CHANGE YEAR AND MARY'S THE
CHANGE.
>> EVEN THOUGH SHE'S BEEN IN
OFFICE --
>> BUT SHE HASN'T BEEN FOR 50
YEARS.
>> FRUSTRATED BY THE LACK OF
ACTION AT THE STATE HOUSE AND
WASHINGTON, COLUMBUS OFFICIALS
THIS WEEK PRESENTED A SERIES OF
GUN CONTROL MEASURES.
AMONG THE PROPOSALS THE CITY
WOULD BAN BUMP STOCKS, IT WOULD
BAN THE SALE OF IMITATION
FIREARMS TO MINORS, BAN
COMMERCIAL GUN SALES IN
RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THIS IS REALLY ALL THE CITY CAN
DO BECAUSE STATE LAW PROHIBITS
CITIES FROM ENFORING GUN LAWS
STRICTER THAN STATE LAWS.
DO THESE ORDINANCES HAVE ANY
TEETH OR LARGELY SYMBOLIC?
>> I THINK THEY DO HAVE TEETH.
THE STATE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW
CITIES TO DO LAWS MORE STRINGENT
THAN STATE OR FEDERAL LAWS SO
THEY HAVE TO FIND AREAS THEY CAN
HONE IN.
I THINK WE'LL SEE MEANINGFUL GUN
REFORM.
THESE KIDS IN FLORIDA WHO
BROUGHT THEIR ENERGY AND PAIN TO
THE TABLE ARE GOING TO CHANGE
THE WORLD.
AND I THINK SO NOT ONLY ARE WE
GOING ON TO SEE THIS ORDINANCE
IN COLUMBUS, BUT I THINK WE'LL
SEE SOME MOVEMENT IN THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY.
YOU MENTIONED PAUL BALDWIN
WALLACE ALWAYS LOOKED IN THE
STATE AS MUCH AS GUN REFORM.
THERE ARE ARE A LOT OF THINGS
THAT ARE MEANINGFUL.
>> WHY CAN'T CITIES PASS THEIR
OWN GUN LAWS?
WHAT WAS THE REASON -- ASIDE
FROM THE STATE BEING VERY IN
FAVOR OF GUN OWNER RIGHTS, WHY
CAN'T CITIES DO THEIR OWN
ORDINANCES ON GUNS?
>> THE ARGUMENT IS IF YOU'RE A
GUN OWNER, YOU DON'T WANT TO
HAVE TO FOLLOW DIFFERENT LAWS AS
YOU'RE PASSING THROUGH EACH CITY
AND TOWN IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
IF I CAN CARRY A GUN IN A PARK
IN AKRON, I SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE
TO CARRY A GUN IN THE PARK IN
COLUMBUS.
SO THE ARGUMENT WAS TO MAKE IT
ALL UNIFORM, STANDARD FOR GUN
CONTROL AND FOR GUN RIGHTS.
AND THAT HAS BEEN WHAT'S CARRIED
THE DAY IN THE LEGISLATURE.
OF COURSE, THE THING I SAID
OVERLY MANY YEARS OF KORING THE
STATE HOUSE, AS ALWAYS THE STATE
LEGISLATURE IS IN FAVOR OF LOCAL
CONTROL UNTIL THEY'RE NOT.
IN THIS ONE THEY'RE NOT.
THEY DON'T THINK LOCALS SHOULD
BE MAKING THEIR OWN GUN LAWS.
FRANKLY, I LOOK DOWN THIS LIST
OF COLUMBUS ONES, THERE ARE --
EXCEPT FOR MAYBE BANNING BUMP
STOCKS, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT
HERE DIRECTLY TIED TO GUNS THAT
IT WOULD PROBABLY WOULDN'T STEP
ON MUCH OF THIS.
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT
THE COURT SAYS ON THIS.
>> ONE THING IT WOULD DO IS KEEP
GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF SOMEONE
WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR
PROTECTION ORDER.
GUNS ARE USED A LOT IN THOSE
TYPE OF CASES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL
CHANGE.
>> AS YOU LOOK AT THE MAP OF
COLUMBUS, YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN,
WITH ALL THE TOWNSHIPS IT WOULD
BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DRIVE FROM ONE
END OF THE OTHER WITH A GUN IN
YOUR TRUNK WITHOUT HAVING TO
VIOLATE THE VARYING LAWS.
YOU CAN SEE WHY THE UNIFORMITY.
THE RALLY IS TOMORROW.
THEY'RE EXPECTING ESTIMATES
ESTIMATES BETWEEN 5,000 AND
25,000 AT THE STATE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE RALLY FOR GUN RIGHTS
INSPIRED BY THE STUDENTS.
WHAT KIND OF EFFECT --
>> RALLY FOR GUN RESTRICTIONS.
>> YEAH.
>> YES.
>> WHAT KIND OF IMPACT WILL THAT
HAVE ON THE LEGISLATURE?
>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAVE
ANY IMPACT.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME MEANINGFUL
MOVEMENT BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE
IT PERSONALLY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE
ANYTHING VERY SUBSTANTIVE.
NOT IN OHIO.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN FLORIDA.
BUT THAT WAS A STATE WHERE THE
TRAGEDY OCCURRED.
AND I THINK FOR OHIO LAWMAKERS
TO TAKE THAT KIND OF STEP, IT
WOULD TAKE THAT SORT OF THING.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING, THOUGH,
BECAUSE THESE KIDS ARE COMING
FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THEY'RE NOT JUST COMING FROM
DEMOCRATIC DISTRICTS.
AND I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE
HOW MANY PARENTS ARE THERE AS
WELL.
>> MIKE, THIS IS A LITTLE
DIFFERENT THAN PAST AFTERMATHS
OF MASS SHOOTINGS.
DO YOU SEE ANY MOVEMENT FROM GUN
RIGHTS -- GUN RIGHT SUPPORTING
LAWMAKERS AT THE STATE HOUSE?
>> NO.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME
PROPOSALS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A
SECURITY GUARD IN SCHOOLS.
THAT CAN BE LOCAL CONTROL.
I THINK WE'LL GIVE MONEY TO
SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO PASS SAFETY
LEVIES.
THAT'S A GOOD THING.
THEY'RE PICKING THE WRONG TIME
TO DO THIS MARCH TO SAVE LIVES,
BECAUSE THEY'RE PICKING A
SATURDAY.
LEGISLATURE WOULDN'T BE THERE.
THEY JUST WENT ON SPRING BREAK
SO THEIR VOICES WILL BE HEARD BY
THE MEDIA.
THAT'S GOOD.
COVER FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY.
I SUPPORT IT BUT THEY PICKED THE
WRONG DAY, WRONG TIME TO DO IT.
>> WE SAID WASHINGTON.
OHIO IS JUST FOLLOWING SUIT.
>> A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THERE
WERE SOME GUN RESTRICTION LAW
THAT WAS PASSED -- OR IN THE
GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
I SAW ON FACEBOOK THERE WAS ONE
LEGISLATOR IN THE HEARING AND
PEOPLE STARTED COMPLAINING.
I WENT OVER WITH MY PHONE TO
TAKE PICTURES.
I GOT KICKED OUT OF THE HEARING
BUT NOBODY WAS LISTENING TO HIM.
NOW AT LEAST THEY'RE LISTENING.
THAT'S A BIG CHANGE.
THE PARENTS IN THE AUDIENCE
THEIR KIDS WERE EITHER KILLED IN
GUN VIOLENCE OR SHOT AND INJURED
AND THEY COME HERE TO PETITION
THEIR GOVERNMENT, NO ONE'S EVEN
LISTENING?
>> I'LL TELL YOU, THE STATE
HOUSE RALLIES ARE FINE.
IT'S GOOD TO SHOW IF YOU'RE
PUSHING THAT SIDE OF THINGS,
IT'S GOOD TO SHOW THERE IS
SUPPORT BEHIND YOU, BUT UNTIL
THE MAJORITY STARTS TO SEE
POLLING THAT SHOWS US, THIS IS
AN ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO TURN
PEOPLE, AND -- OR THEY START
HEARING FROM THEIR MAJOR DONORS
THIS IS AN ISSUE THEIR DONORS
WANT TO SEE CHANGED, THEN, YOU
KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE
LIMITED ACTION.
>> SOME LAWMAKERS HAVE
INTRODUCESED A BILL TO BAN
ABORTIONS COMPLETELY.
DOCTORS COULD FACE CHARGES, THE
WOMAN COULD FACE CHARGES.
THE BILL GOES WELL BEYOND
RESTRICTIONS PASSED BY LAWMAKERS
IN RECENT YEARS.
MIKE GONIDAKIS, YOU HEAD OHIO
RIGHT TO LIFE.
DO YOU SUPPORT THIS MEASURE?
>> FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE ALL
LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION.
I WORKED FOR THE PAST DECADE TO
ELIMINATE ABORTION AND END THIS
TRAGEDY IN THIS COUNTRY.
THIS LEGISLATION IS 284 PAGES.
WE GOT IT THREE DAYS AGO, THE
SAME SOMETIME YOU GOT IT, OR
YOUR PAPER RECEIVED IT.
WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
WE'RE STILL REVIEWING IT.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING SIDEWAYS
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I'VE HAD 15 STATE
REPRESENTATIVES CALL ME AND SAY,
DO YOU THINK IT SAYS THIS OR
THAT?
I SAY, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU WROTE IT.
TO SAY WE SUPPORT IT BECAUSE
IT'S WRITTEN IN SUCH A UNIQUE --
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
THERE ARE SMART LAWYERS OUT
THERE THAT SAY IT COULD
CRIMINALIZE A WOMAN IF SHE HAS A
MISCARRIAGE.
WE DON'T WANT THAT, OF COURSE
NOT.
THERE APPEARS TO BE A LOT OF
PROBLEMS WITH IT BUT GIVE US
TIME TO REVIEW IT.
>> ON PRINCIPLE YOU DID NOT
SUPPORT THE HEART BEAT BILL.
THIS GOES BEYOND THAT, EEB
THOUGH ULTIMATELY MANY PEOPLE
SAY THE HEART BEAT BILL WAS A
COMPLETE BAN ON ABORTION.
LOGIC SAYS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
SUPPORT A COMPLETE BAN IF --
>> YOU NEED FIVE VOTES, RIGHT
NOW WE ONLY HAVE FOUR ON THE
UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.
IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
>> IS THIS SYMBOLIC --
>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S ON
THEIR MIND.
IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IT'S
MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO
ANYWHERE.
IT'S A WASTE OF OUR TIME.
>> GOVERNOR KASICH VETOED THE
HEART BEAT BILL.
COULD THE SAME THING HAPPEN WITH
THIS BILL?
>> IT'S POSSIBLE.
WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES -- THERE
ARE TWO ISSUES I DON'T TEND TO
PREDICT TOO WELL -- GUNS AND
ABORTION.
AT ANY POINT, THEY COULD
SUDDENLY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WE
NEED TO -- WE'RE GOING TO PICK
THIS UP AND RUN WITH IT FOR ANY
NUMBER OF REASONS.
AND -- BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU
SAID, I MEAN, THEY PASS THE THE
DOWN SYNDROME ABORTION BILL.
A JUDGE STOPPED THAT.
IT'S GOING TO GET APPEALED.
SO LIKE MIKE SAID, THE COURTS
HAVE RULED ON THIS AND THERE'S
NO OCCASION THAT THAT WOULD
CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REALLY WANT
TO RUN A BILL AT THIS POINT, UP
TO THE SUPREME COURT AND TRY
THIS.
THAT'S A QUESTION MORE FOR MIKE.
IF THAT'S A GOOD STRATEGY OR
NOT.
>> IT'S NOT.
>> BUT THE OTHER BILLS, YOU DO
SUPPORT DOWN SYNDROME EVEN
THOUGH THE COURTS STRUCK THAT
DOWN.
WHY IS THAT ONE DIFFERENT THAN
THIS ONE?
ULTIMATELY YOU WANT ABORTION TO
BE ILLEGAL.
>> IT'S AN ANTI-DISCRIMINATION
BILL.
80 TO 90% OF BABIES WITH DOWN
SYNDROME ARE ABORTED.
THAT'S A TRAGEDY.
OUR GOAL IS TO END ABORTION IN
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>> ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GET TO OUR NEXT TOPIC.
IF YOU ADD A LIGHTER TOPIC, IF
YOU ADD UP ALL THE TEAM VALUES,
THE CLEVELAND BROWNS, CAVALIERS
AND INDIANS, THE CINCINNATI
BENGALS, REDS AND THE SOCCER
TEAM, WHICH LACKS A NAME, AND
THE COLUMBUS CLIPPERS AND BLUE
JACKETS, THE TOTAL VALUE OF ALL
THOSE TEAMS JUST LESS THAN $7
BILLION.
THEY PLAY IN PLACES PAID FOR IN
PART OR IN FULL BY TAXPAYERS.
STILL, THEY WANT THE STATE TO
INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY,
PUBLIC MONEY AVAILABLE TO
ATTRACT BIG SPORTING EVENTS TO
THE STATE.
THINGS LIKE ALL-STAR GAMES AND
THE NFL DRAFT, EVENTS THAT DO
BRING IN A LOT OF MONEY TO THE
STATE IN TERMS OF TOURISM
DOLLARS AND SALES TAXES.
JIM SIEGEL, WHY DO THEY NEED
MORE MONEY, THESE TEAMS, LEAGUES
WORTH SO MUCH MONEY?
>> THE TEAMS SAY THIS IS NOT
ABOUT THEIR MONEY.
THIS IS ABOUT MONEY TO HELP THE
CITIES, HELP THE COUNTIES, HELP
THE REGIONAL SPORTS COMMISSIONS
PAY SPEPSS NEEDED TO BRING IN
MAJOR EVENTS.
THE TEAMS SAY THEY DON'T MAKE
MONEY ON THESE.
THIS IS A COMMUNITY OUTREACH
THEY LIKE BUT AT THE END OF THE
DAY IT'S NOT SO MUCH A REVENUE
GENERATOR FOR THE TEAM SO MUCH
AS JUST GOODWILL, GOOD PR AND A
BENEFIT FOR THE AREA.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE COME FROM.
THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW
THIS BILL WOULD WORK BECAUSE IT
HAS TO DO WITH HOW MUCH
ADDITIONAL SALES TAX WILL BE
BENEFITTED AND WE TAKE HALF OF
THAT AND PUT IT IN THE FUND.
THE QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU
DETERMINE HOW MUCH SALES TAX IS
BECAUSE OF THE EVENT AND HOW
MUCH SALES TAX IS JUST BECAUSE
OF STUFF THAT WOULD HAVE
HAPPENED ANYWAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT
IT.
>> WE HAVE ONE OF THE WORST
UNEMPLOYMENT RATES IN AMERICA.
WE HAVE A LOT OF JOBS THAT PAY
OVER $50,000 A YEAR THAT WE
DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S
QUALIFIED TO HOLD THEM BECAUSE
THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY TRAINED AND
BECAUSE GETTING COLLEGE OR
ADVANCED EDUCATION IS REALLY
IMPORTANT.
WHY DON'T WE FOCUS ON STUFF LIKE
THAT INSTEAD OF GIVING MONEY TO
THE SPORTS TEAM?
>> YOU GOING TO THE CAVS GAME
AFTER YOU LEAVE THE STUDIO?
>> YEAH, BUT GIVE ME A BREAK.
THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA IF THE
LEGISLATURE PASSES THIS.
WE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION HOLLYWOOD
HAS COME IN.
THEY GET $40 MILLION A YEAR IN
TAX BREAKS.
THEY WANT TO INCREASE THAT TO
$100 MILLION.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
THESE ARE TERRIBLE IDEAS.
>> AS SOON AS I CAN FIND OUT HOW
MUCH THAT PRIVATE GROUP THAT
TAKES LIQUOR PROFITS FROM THE
STATE OF OHIO AND SPENDS IT ON
GENERATING JOBS IN OHIO, JOBS
OHIO, SO I CAN FIND OUT MORE
ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING
MONEY ON, I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY
OF THIS.
>> I FIND IT ODD THAT THE
CINCINNATI REDS SAID THEY DIDN'T
HAVE ACCESS TO THE MONEY WHEN
THEY WANTED TO BRING THE
ALL-STAR GAME HERE IN 2015 AND
THE BLUE JACKETS SAID THEY
DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO BRING
THE ALL-STAR GAME IN 2015.
BOTH THOSE EVENTS OCCURRED IN
THOSE CITIES WITHOUT THE STATE'S
HELP.
>> THE ALL-STAR GAME IN
CINCINNATI ENDED UP GETTING
HELP.
>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT -- A
DIFFERENT FUND OR A DIFFERENT
WAY.
>> OKAY.
THE QUESTION IS, COULD WE STILL
DO THESE THINGS WITHOUT THIS
MONEY?
THAT'S A LONG ONGOING DEBATE
THAT WILL CONTINUE.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ATTRACTING
THESE BUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF
THINGS.
WOULD WE STILL ATRACK TAX CUTS
AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS.
THE BROWNS TESTIFIED IN FAVOR OF
THIS BILL.
IF IT PASSES, THEY CAN CHALK IT
UP AS A WIN.
>> YES, THEY CAN.
WITH THAT WE'LL GET TO MORE "ON
THE RECORD" PARTING SHOTS AND
WE'LL START WITH SANDY THEIS.
>> YOU THINK YOUR VOICE DOESN'T
MATTER, YOUR VOTE DOESN'T
MATTER.
LOOK AT WHAT THE KIDS HAVE DONE.
THEY CHANGED THE LAW IN FLORIDA.
I HOPE EVERYONE STAYS ENGAGED
AND ENERGIZED.
REGISTER TO VOTE.
CHECK OUT YOUR VOTER
REGISTRATION AND VOTE.
>> MIKE?
>> LAST WEEK WAS SUNSHINE WEEK.
I THINK THE NUPS HAVE DONE A
GREAT JOB OF HIGHLIGHTING THE
FACT OUR GOVERNMENT IS STILL
STRUGGLING TO GIVE PEOPLE
RECORDS.
ON THE HEELS OF THAT, MAJOR
LEGISLATION WAS PASSED.
>> JIM?
>> OHIO'S FEBRUARY EMPLOYMENT
NUMBERS WERE DECENT.
OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HAS
DROPPED TO THE LOWEST SINCE
2001.
HOWEVER, OUR INCOME GROWTH, I
BELIEVE NOW IS ALSO -- NUMBERS
SAID WE RANKED 30th.
WE STILL HAVE SOME MIXED NUMBERS
ON THE JOB FRONT.
>> ANN?
>> THE BEST THING SPORTS TEAMS
CAN DO IS WIN, ERGO THE
SITUATION WITH THE BROWNS, SAD,
SO SAD.
BUT ONE TEAM THAT IS WINNING
THESE DAYS OUT OF THE COLUMBUS
BLUE JACKETS.
GO JACKETS.
LET'S TAKE IT TO 11.
BY THE TIME PEOPLE WATCH THIS,
IT MIGHT ALREADY BE OVER.
BUT MIGHT NOT BE.
>> THEY'LL END UP PLAYING
PITTSBURGH IN THE PLAYOFFS
BECAUSE OF ALL THEIR SUCCESS.
ALSO SPORTS RELATED, AUSTIN CITY
COUNCIL TOOK A SMALL BUT
MEASURABLE STEP TOWARDS STEALING
THE CREW, TAKING THE CREW FROM
COLUMBUS TO AUSTIN.
LOOK AT THE SITE WHERE THEY WANT
TO PUT IT.
IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS
DILAPIDATED INDUSTRIAL PARK.
HOW IS THAT BETTER THAN THE
STATE FAIRGROUNDS?
THAT IS "ON THE RECORD."
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