hello Kidada hiya card hi Oprah how are
you do I and your question okay my
question is this book hits me really
really deep in my heart and I know it to
be the truth but I have such resistance
and I feel like if everything in form is
an illusion
it feels really disenchanting and I'm
going to point in my life where I have
goals I'm excited about my career I want
to have kids I want to meet a great
partner and if it's all illusion where
is the fun there's aha you are not meant
to believe that all is illusion or at
your it as a stage in your life where
you can simply enjoy the play of form
eventually you will come to a point as
every human does worthy the forms in
your life and no longer are completely
satisfying they leave in certain
emptiness they leave of frustration but
you haven't reached that point yet it's
fine in the meantime you enjoy your life
be as present as you can which means
don't project yourself continuously into
some future moment and promise you more
and greater fulfillment but if if that
happens and if you can't help it that's
fine too but why not enjoy this moment
as it is really that's all you can do
this is not to take the joy out of life
it's to really deepen the way in which
you live rather than living on the
surface of things and expecting
fulfillment through super relatively
superficial things Oh
going deeper to a place where true joy
resides I know I think that's a good
question though that you erase Kidada
especially I've heard this from a lot of
people your age who say so now where is
ambition ambition is ambition my ego
good question you want to hit career
strides you want to see things happen
you're excited to meet somebody you're
gonna have a baby that you're gonna be
madly in love with and then I hear that
carts voice and I have from
my ego remember that its form and it
just kind of makes me feel a little
unexcited but I guess it's about being
in the moment so no there comes a point
when you can see the truth of this very
clearly in your own life until you can
see the truth of it very clearly in your
own life in your own life the the book
remained on the conceptual level and so
I wouldn't say that there's anything in
the book that you should believe in
mm-hmm if the book works for you the
truth of it is immediately recognized
like in build who we talked to earlier
the truth of it is immediately
recognized and there's a sense of ah yes
but at 20 I would not have understood
the truth in this book I had ambitions I
wanted to become a great professor I
wanted to be seen as to be successful I
wanted to show to the world I can make
it so I was working hard if at that
point I had write this book I would have
said the same as you I don't want this
right now I don't need this mm-hmm the
book really as long as you feel that you
don't really need it it's fine you
should carry on with what you're doing
even here saying she doesn't need it I
think I totally need it I hope this book
is real and true and I'm actually
turning 34 in a week so it's really
really really important for me to figure
out how to integrate consciousness into
this next chapter I want to approach it
in a very conscious way but there's
still probably a little part of me a lot
a part of me that's gripping on to the
form I live in Los Angeles I'm in a
business where a forum is at the
forefront it's kind of a hard balance
I'm just wondering how do you reap the
fruits and not identify to the forum
yes forms you can enjoy the forms and
you can really only truly enjoy the
forms if you are not completely
identified with the forms because if you
are completely identified with the forms
there's always an element of fear that
the form might leave you you move the
situation that you have whatever the
form I'd leave you or it will suddenly
the form will no longer be satisfying so
it's the
to the forum doesn't really mean that
you enjoy it the attachment to the forum
produces negativity and produces fear
around it around your life situation
it's doing a Kidada what I said I think
on an earlier class it's like especially
in Los Angeles you know great fun fun
city city of the Angels there it's like
being able to be in the world but not of
it yes yes in the world but not of it
yes and a lot of that the attachment is
less likely to be there the more present
you are with any life experience you're
more present you are in the moment and
you are not you're not attached the
attachment needs future needs more looks
to the future either as a threat or hope
so
be as present as you can in every
situation in your life in every moment
in your life yeah and what you were
talking about I think in one of the
future chapters about being able to be
present with your children instead of
just sort of going through the motions
with your children being present with
your children
hey Kidada great to see you on skype
okay let's go to our study group who's
watching our webcast at borders on
Michigan Avenue in Chicago hi everybody
I hear Jaime is there and has a question
yes hi Oprah hi Eckhart right my name is
Jaime my question is on page 83 you
mentioned how Fame especially is such a
downfall for the ego and I'm just
wondering
Oprah how you managed to keep everything
so grounded oh I've been meaning to ask
you that too really
oh thanks for bringing that up Jaime how
do I manage to keep everything so
grounded I can think I believe that I'm
not attached to the fame I don't know
that to be true since I have been quote
famous for most of my adult life but I
believe that I really am that what I do
comes from such a you know I consider
myself blessed and I get I'm blessed
because I
you have acquired Fame and attention and
money by being myself that's it
you don't play roles yeah I start I
don't have to be anybody other than
myself and so and that's very rare on
television almost everybody is playing a
role right and your success is due to
the fact that you are yourself the same
person outside television as you are
here in the studio so and really that's
can apply apply to anybody the more
you're truly yourself and not playing
roles the more powerful you are the ego
tells you you need to play some role but
your true power lies in not playing a
role I will say this when I first
started television I was a news reporter
and never was satisfied I always felt
that I was exploiting people that my
whole day but was based around finding
the worst story possible to report and
also I was an anchorwoman and something
would happen
Jamie when the light would come on like
on this camera there's a little red
light on and all of a sudden I'd be like
talking like I am now and the light
would come on and I would suddenly go
into my news woman anchor voice and and
play the role of the news woman anchor
person that I thought I was supposed to
be and one night I was reading some copy
that I hadn't pre read and I was naming
a lot of countries and Canada was in the
list and I called Canada Canada and I
started cracking myself up that I said
did I just call Canada Canada and that
was the breakthrough moment for me on
television that was the breakthrough
moment where I was able for just a you
know few seconds break through the wall
of my facade as an anchorwoman who knows
all of the different countries and in
Canada that moment was such a funny
moment for me I couldn't stop laughing
and started the process of me being able
to be myself on the air that first
little glimpse of it so did you have a
question for Eckhart with all you know
this webcast and beam on Oprah obviously
you've come into incredible Fame and I'm
didn't ask you the question because this
has been what you've been preaching
since
you know since you wrote the power of
now but do you anticipate are you just
completely self actualized you don't
expect this to be a problem or to come
in to play for you at all now ya know
this is so funny
Amy Gross who's the editor of O Magazine
who's also a pretty centered person we
were talking about at cards did an
article for us from a conversation that
we had earlier in O Magazine and I'm a
issue and so we were talking about a
card coming for the first session a
couple weeks ago she says won't we all
be surprised if Eckhart comes in in a
fur hat and three pounds of bling
wearing sunglasses entourage walks in
and go yo what's up no I don't think
it's affected him because this is so
funny when I first called that card
months ago Monson month I don't even
know how long ago it was to tell Eckhart
that I was going to be choosing a new
earth as our book club selection I think
it's our 61st selection or whatever he
was very he was so calm about it later
one of the producer says what did you
call him did you call him and I said
yeah I called him and he said what was
he excited and I said I think for him
that was excitement so anyway I don't
think it's gone to his head yet and I
and listen so far no bling this happens
then you'll know the ego has come back
let me know I won't know it if it's
where that car comes in wearing two
earrings I'll let you know okay let's
see thank you so much Jamie and all the
group from borders thank you for being
there every week let's see some of the
email questions you've been sending
during our class on our computer screen
here this is Melissa from Crab Orchard
West Virginia
she says she's being awakened with worry
my sister's addicted to drugs she's been
through rehab to no avail every day we
worry about her we fear she may die if
she continues my question is this how
can we live awaken with this major major
distraction in our lives that's good
well the first thing you need to take
responsibility for your own life and
your own state of consciousness rather
than thinking your primary
responsibility is your sister's life and
your sister state of consciousness it's
not the case you have to start with
yourself change can only begin with
yourself so are you taking
responsibility for your own state of
consciousness rather than believing
unconsciously that of course you're
worried and there's nothing else you can
do you have to look at the what you call
the worry in yourself
the continuous mind activity that dwells
on negativity see if you can enter that
state of acceptance or presence and just
be with yourself I recommend to get out
of the mind go into the body several
times a day and connect with the feeling
of aliveness within for yourself so that
the worry the worry pretends worry is
part of the ego it's the it's the
compulsion to think incessantly and it
serves no purpose because it doesn't get
you anywhere it's similar to the
complaining it has no useful purpose
it's not it doesn't bring about change
in any situation no matter how much you
worry it's never the worry that brings
about any change in the situation the
mind may tell you you need to worry
because it has some purpose it doesn't
so the the essential thing is that you
get out of that unconscious habit of
continuous worrying so find a little bit
of peace in yourself first to start with
and it may be more than a little bit of
peace but start with a little is there
is there any P peace in you underneath
this country
newest mental noise that we call worry
is there anything else in you and you
have to find that you can only be of
true service to your sister you can only
be of truly truly be an agent for change
in this world if something has changed
in your state of consciousness otherwise
you contribute to the turmoil
so find through meditating through
bringing awareness to the present moment
as much as possible through bringing
awareness into the inner body as much
possible get out of the mind and enter
presence and realize the mind may tell
you this is you're not helping your
sister this is the beginning why you may
may be able to truly be of help to
somebody else because the only thing you
can do is really help yourself yes
that's right yes but the mind tells you
I have to save my sister yes and that's
them and what you're saying is that is
not necessarily true no it's ultimately
your sister is also responsible it
doesn't mean that one human being cannot
help another but you what is essential
and when we asked whether you can be of
help or not to another human being is is
there something in you that can bring
about change in the consciousness of
another human being unless some change
has happened inside you it can't happen
and but this may talk more generally
about worry if this is the problem for
many many people they wake up in the
middle of the night worrying during the
day they go about worrying about this or
that what does it mean to worry what
does it mean it means there is
unconscious mind movement projecting
itself usually into future and you see
how dreadful the future is going to be
what's going to happen you see outcomes
that are negative many things of course
I'm never going to happen
but wory pretends to be necessary
you have to say very clearly Mary
pretends to be necessary you have to say
that it serves no useful purpose
yeah worry pretend to be necessary yes
it serves no useful prayer and so once
you see that it serves no useful purpose
you can sometimes be maybe able to step
out of that and see oh and then become
present yeah you can become present if
you can step out of the worry for a
moment you can become present and enough
enough to say what can I do now how can
I be now in this moment yes for myself
for my sister for whatever it is you
need yes and the greatest gift you can
give to somebody especially somebody who
is suffering like a sister when you are
with them what is your state of
consciousness are you able to bring
presence when you connect with your with
your sister or any other human being
that you want to help can you be present
with them can you give them space to be
that's the healing healing act healing
you can be an agent for healing of
another not in the sense that I am going
to heal you not believe that would be
eager gonna say I'm going to heal you
know simply be there as a conscious
space of presence not not wanting to do
anything just being there as a conscious
presence with another person it's very
hard for people yes I understand it's
very hard time that's why we call it the
shift or move the shift yeah yeah and I
recognize how hard as I'm reading this
book now that from a guess is coming on
the show called beautiful boy you might
have heard of it it's the story of the
father the father and the son both wrote
a book together it's going to be on The
Oprah Show later and his son was an
addict for many years and very difficult
for parents especially and as in this
case Melissa a sister to a drug addict
to stand by and watch somebody daily
attempt to kill themselves through drugs
yeah yes okay so and but acceptance is
also an important part but it's at the
moment you need to accept resisting it
yes it's not bringing the resistance
always into the relationship because
whatever you fight you strengthen and
why
you resist persists yes that's at the
top of page 75 yes
whatever you fight you strengthen and
what you resist persists why is that
because that's how the by opposing you
bring this world what works in terms of
polarities so if you strengthen one
polarity you immediately strengthen the
other that's physics physics yes
exactly the same physics okay you say
cuz these days you frequently hear the
expression the war against that or this
or that and whenever you hear that you
know that it's condemned to failure
there's a war against drugs it's crime
the war against terrorism against cancer
against poverty and so on and despite
the war against all of these things
everything every one of those things is
bigger than ever that's right that's
right because what you fight you
strengthen and what you resist persists
yes and then the implication of course
is there is another way of dealing with
things with situations and that is to
make peace with it make peace with it
and then action take action the action
thing comes out of a different state of
consciousness the action comes out of
present resons
not it's no longer reaction yeah it
comes out of presence and not out of you
being defensive about it that's right I
got it and the action is much more
powerful and effective when it's not
defensive and not negative we have Dana
from Monrovia Liberia on the phone hello
hello Oprah hello Eckhart hi it's Donna
hi Donna how are you oh we're happy to
talk to Monrovia hello oh thank you your
questions I go ahead yeah go ahead
my question thank you my question has to
do with non reaction in relationships
would it be the same to say that the
opposite of love is not hate but rather
indifference considering if one makes
that situation not a personal one
okay that's your question yes I don't
fully understand the question don't
leave Donna reading go ahead
concerning I'm turning non-reaction
uh-huh
would it be the same to say that the
opposite of love is not hate but rather
indifference now do you mean that non
reaction is indifference correct that's
what I'm asking oh I pick you lolly if
if one doesn't take it in a negative
context okay I'm not letting this
consume one okay well non reaction means
that you recognize when another human
being displays some form of ego behavior
wants to be right I want you to be wrong
or accuse this year if they saw that
whatever many kinds the ego manifests in
many different ways do you recognize
that that is its ego and you don't react
to it which means you don't confuse this
behavior with who that human being is it
means you allow the ego to be there
without fighting that behavior for
example I had to happen some years ago
it's an interesting example I had a
plumber come in to do some repair my
place
he was extremely aggressive and rude the
plumber the plumber and I I treated him
as if he were a noble guests very polite
and said explained what needs to be done
because I recognized that perhaps he had
been trapped in this pattern for years
maybe it started with childhood when
when everybody around him was rude to
him so there was a deep-seated pattern
of of rudeness and unpleasant behavior
and of regarding other people as enemies
and I didn't react because I recognized
that as a dysfunction
him the boss wasn't him at all so I
simply accepted his behavior and Punjab
this needs to be done unless after 20
minutes he was changed completely he was
suddenly said thank you for the first
time perhaps somebody was nice change
somebody was nice because everybody else
reacted to him in the same way that he
acted we got the reaction and this is
how most human beings encounter their
daily reality if the cab driver
situation yes
and for most people their daily reality
is a really a reflection of their own in
a predominant inner state and so the
enlightened part of ourselves
after having reading this book being
awakened we realize what you're saying
here in Chapter three chord the ego you
should you should be able to recognize
the ego not only in yourself but see it
in other people or people so when you
see that kind of reaction from someone
you realize it's their egos it's not
them that's right so it's one could
almost say it's it's like some illness
like a mental so the presence in you
then gets to respond to relate to the
presence of them yes you try to be
really highly it's not indifference by
the way this is not indifferent now that
you're not indifferent
that's compassionate and passion yeah
yes understood is in fact yes thank you
okay thank you no no the question is to
do you say you need to be highly evolved
well yes because most people just react
it is true to say that at first it's the
reaction is so automatic when somebody
behaves unconsciously to react in the
same way it's very automatic now as
people begin to become more aware of the
egos usually after it's happened they
become aware that they reacted in the
old ego way after it's after the event
then after a while in the middle of
reacting - somebody's ego you suddenly
become aware that that's what
you're doing somebody just told me this
last night and this happens a lot you
know with the airlines work you know my
goodness you can get from one from point
A to point B on commercial airlines
these days without losing your luggage
or flights being canceled or sitting on
the tarmac or whatever and they were
reading the book and in the midst of you
know everything you know scheduled for
the flight I'm sure this has happened to
many of you scheduled for the flight
everything's fine you get there and
there's no seat
there's no seat and people other people
didn't have their seats and people
around them were just imploding and this
person said that they decided to remain
calm as my godson as a matter of fact
and people all around them we're going
nuts and suddenly out of nowhere after
about a half an hour not out of nowhere
about a half an hour the person behind
the counter call the names and of all
the names to call they called his who
had been sitting there calm and they
didn't know him from anybody else but
you know it eventually worked out not
saying that it always works out but he
realized after reading the book that
makes no sense to get crazy yes it's not
only that but also it's true that things
are much more likely to work out when
you are in a harmonious state of
consciousness and not in resistance
which brings us to page 77 do you want
peace or drama you say we all want peace
there's no one who doesn't want peace
yet there's something else in you that
wants the drama wants the conflict and
whenever you're moving in the drama you
can as we all can I think now a little
bit anyway detach from the thought see
yourself having the thought recognize
that you the you the I of I am is the
awareness that you're having the thought
when you can see all the drama just
attach a little bit you've done what
that's the that's a vital thing the true
seed in the midst of it to suddenly
become aware that this is an old pattern
in yeah an ego pattern in you it may not
even stop immediately but at least there
isn't suddenly there is a witnessing
presence in the background
the ego wants to complain the ego wants
to be resentful the ego wants drama yes
and to see that in oneself we one could
call it almost this is in Inhumans
something that we could call the
addiction to unhappiness mm-hmm when you
are unhappy for whatever reason once you
are trapped in that that energy of
unhappiness you don't want to get out
that's right because your ego loves it
yes so there is a there's an addiction
to that you actually on some level you
enjoy your unhappiness and when you can
become aware of that and suddenly you're
stepping out so let's talk about the
power of awareness you talked about on
page 78 a power comes into your life
that is far greater than the ego greater
than the mine all that is required to
become free of the ego is to be aware of
it since awareness and ego are in
compared incompatible this is page 78
first paragraph awareness is the power
that is concealed within the present
moment this is why we may also call it
presence and the ultimate purpose of
human existence which is to say your
purpose is to bring that power or that
presence into this world yes that is why
we're here yes and that is the universal
the impulse the universal Empire is the
evolution of consciousness that is the
the impulse behind the universe the
universe is moving towards the evolution
of consciousness and we are one
manifestation of the evolution of
consciousness into this world where one
yes there are many others right even
though a plant is a manifestation right
but our ultimate purpose of human
existence is to bring that presence that
awareness into the world and to become
more aware in our daily lives so that
regardless of what you're doing in your
form world in your form life that you
recognize as you say
on page 79 can I sense my essential
beingness the I am in the background of
my life at all times to be more accurate
can I sense the I am that I am at this
moment yes and an easy step towards that
is the inner acceptance of this moment
as it is mm-hmm without wanting it to be
different or rejecting it or resisting
it if you can accept if you can see that
the the primary thing in your life is
the present moment because there is
never anything else yes it's always now
so you must see if you can have a good
relationship with the now because you
don't if you don't have a good
relationship with them now you don't
have a good relationship with life
because life is now yes so accepting
this moment as it is can connect you
with that dimension of depth in yourself
and that is how we begin to quiet
quieten or quiet the ego yes is by being
more fully present now that's the exit
all trooped out of the ego that now yeah
now is the hidden exit because the ego
doesn't want you to know that there is
an exit and it's called now exit is the
door out of the ego the now is the door
the exit yes but now no exit out of the
ego okay yes and so whenever you find
yourself complaining whenever you find
yourself as we said last week the need
to feel superior you feel superior or
inferior to someone else you know that
it's your ego
whenever you recognize that this is my
ego and can bring yourself to the
present moment of what is going on now
and can see yourself doing it yes yeah
that is awakening yes okay
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