Which sector is undervalued right now? Max Porterfield on inflation, commodities, and how to profit
welcome to looking at the markets with David Modell my guest today is mr. max
Porter filled with Kalin ex mines now mister Porterfield has over 10 years of
experience in the natural resources markets and has been president and CEO
of Callan X mines since 2014 so mr. Porter field
welcome to looking at the markets thanks so much for having me I really
appreciate it very much I feel that Kellen X mines could be a
fantastic opportunity for investors and so I'd like to talk about not only
Callan X mines but also just the markets and the environment in general for
example mr. Jeff Gundlach the billionaire that is nicknamed the bond
god is calling for higher rates which are obviously indicating inflation
levels are on the way up he says his fund is now invested heavily in
commodities which rally at the end of business cycles so are you bullish on
industrial metals prices right now yeah absolutely
I'm bullish on all commodity prices right now in particular the base metals
space which were actually focused on as a company and have been bullish on them
over the the past several years so it's nice to see the price action and the
commodities kind of coming to fruition with our conviction and also nice to see
other investors or institutional investors such as mr. Gundlach that are
also investing in the space because a lot of the big institutional money
hasn't come into commodities overall in general and so he's one of the few and
hopefully he's a part of a bigger trend to come in terms of asset flows into the
sector gotcha now historically the US dollars weakness is the most important
determining factor of a Natural Resources bull market so in your opinion
are we in the early innings yes so I mean resource prices commodity
prices have been depressed for a number of years it's been a we're coming out of
a bear market that was very unique and prolong that you typically don't see in
the commodity cycle is much longer than than normal with inflation coming along
the way is evoluted - that's going to be very bullish for commodity prices you've
seen that oil you've seen it in copper you've also seen the zinc crisis in gold
as well but I think there's also aside from just inflation in being an investor
in the commodity space as a hedge to inflation you know you need to focus on
communities that have supply-demand fundamentals that really support higher
prices as well and I think that's where you can get the biggest move which is
really how we're position is a company being positioned in a zinc space it's
very very tight market for example we've actually been in a supply deficit for a
number of years it's forecasted for a number of years going forward and that's
really led to a big movement underlying commodity price I think there's a lot
left to go where you know zinc crisis were below 80 cents in early 2016 they
just hit a decade-long high of a dollar sixty three earlier this week and
against got a lot of supply demand fundamentals behind it because there
hasn't been supply being able to meet up with demand and really the only way to
make up for that is with the buff ground inventories but you know those above
ground inventory has been eating through over the past five years to pull weight
we've got less than days of supply in inventory right now so to get critically
low levels so any kind of inflationary environment could spark a even bigger
move in the base metal space for example zinc right now all stock markets
worldwide are trading it all time highs right now the rally has been
mind-boggling the S&P 500 is up every month for more than a year with record
low volatility the only cheap sector is commodities our commodities the best
place for value investors right now and how are you positioned as a company yes
so in terms of a value investors I think commodities specifically the equities
that you know are in the commodities business such as Cal and X are a great
place to be invested right now from a valuation standpoint while you've had a
big bull market that you just mentioned in the overall domestic equity space in
the US and really worldwide to a larger extent you haven't had that in the in
the junior minors or the any of the mining industry in general and things
haven't been priced in and I think that's again based upon the depressed
prices and an overall commodity complex in general and while you have had a nice
move for example in zinc you haven't seen the equities follow suit yet and I
think really what the reason for that is obviously investor sentiment why fixing
this broken one and just investing overall broader market is worked out
real well for you but I think there's gonna be rebalancing and shift in
portfolios and money flows into the sector and all all ships rise and a
rising tide and I think it's a great sector to be in and I think longer term
as prices stabilize at these higher iron levels I think that's when you'll see a
quite a significant move in the underlying equities in terms of how Cal
annex is positioned you know we saw is a great opportunity and really with our
conviction in the Zink space and acquired three zinc-rich deposits that
were in eastern canada when zinc was trading below a dollar 88 I'm sorry
below 80 cents a pound and really no assets at the bottom of the cycle can be
had at pennies on the dollar to their longer-term value so we're happy to have
been able to acquire those when we did in since then we've been advancing our
zinc rich deposits through our expiration programs that
have been ongoing particularly in New Brunswick now if people want to get
involved with Callan X Minds I do want to ask some specific questions about
Callan X but yeah but people should also do their own research before they make
any investment they should make their own decisions what they ought to do is
visit the website for one thing and that's on your screen and it's going to
be below this YouTube video in the description of the video you can click
on it it's wwk lnx CA and that's also on your screen right now also on your
screen right now would be the the ticker symbols for the stock for Kellan X and
in Canada on the TSX V the symbol the ticker symbol is CN X and on the OTC
markets in the United States it is CLL X F so wanted to ask about Callan X in
particular compared with Oh Cisco metals which is
your direct pure your stock price is discounted some 80 percent what will it
take for the market to start noticing how cheap Callan X is CEO of Cisco
metals as a company that's also has a very large presence in in the bachelors
camp of New Brunswick were to ordinate deposits that I mentioned that we've
acquired earlier in our advancing are located I think the big thing for us as
a company in terms of cattle so we've just done our first pass exploration
where we've been able to significantly increase the extent of the the Nash
Creek deposit through drilling and while we've announced many of those drill
holes what we haven't done is really quantify those and the way you quantify
you know a drilling and the deposit size and the resource business is by putting
out what's known as the updated resource estimate that's where a third party
takes all that drill data and puts together how big the deposit is and it's
a third party report that's done and we're gonna be putting out a resource
update at the Nash Greek deposit again that we've been
expanding since mid last year through our various drill programs and that's
gonna be coming out within the next 45 days or so and then on top of that we're
also going to be publishing a preliminary economic assessment which is
another third-party engineering report that will look at a you know overall how
the national peak deposit as well as our satellite super check deposit would look
in some numbers around a mining operation in terms of a first pass and I
think by doing both of those things it's gonna unlock value for us and get a
revaluation that'd be more appropriate for the assets that now in the company
because you gotta keep in mind again we acquired those assets at sub 80 cent
zinc at a deep discount to where those assets are trading at in today's market
and by showing how much we've grown them and really kind of put economics a
potential economics around them I think that will garner additional you know
added value for our shielder base absolutely as an investor I'm always
looking for value I know that my audience is always looking for value and
for growth potential which I believe callen AK certainly has so what is your
focus in New Brunswick yes or our focus in New Brunswick is advancing our to two
projects there there's two deposits again that I mentioned we had acquired
the Nash Creek in Super Jack but really the what's unique about them overall in
a broader context is the proximity infrastructure while these deposits are
getting more and more difficult and this is not something that's unique to just
the zinc space but really prevalent in gold silver in any of these other kind
of metals is the difficulty of defining um and overall declining grades so the
overall percentage of a particular mineral and a deposits decreasing which
makes it more costly to develop develop them and mined them which you need
higher prices to facilitate that so with that being said Nash Creek and super
Jack are in the bathroom district of New Brunswick
has a long history of mining actually the Brunswick number-12 mine that
actually is went out of production in 2013 that led to some of these
supply-side issues in such a large mine it was at one point the largest
underground zinc mine in the world but with that provides a tremendous amount
of infrastructure in the Nash Creek in particular is less than a mile away from
a provincial highway and high voltage power line and we've got access to water
it's 25 kilometers or roughly 20 miles away from a smelting operation rail line
and deepwater port to get that product out to market so those type of
infrastructure advantage we have is very unique that you don't simply see with a
lot of these deposits or a moat that have a billion dollar capital costs so
what that does is reduce your capital cost in addition to that the nash creek
deposit as well as a portion of the super deck deposit is near-surface and
we're looking to it being amenable to an open pit operation which is much cheaper
upfront capital costs as well as operating costs than an underground type
of operation so we're advancing those through various drilling campaigns that
I mentioned we've increased the strike link to the Nash deposit by 50 percent
since we originally acquired it which is a significant increase in the deposit
size and we're gonna be able to quantify that in the updated resource and then
also put you know potential economics around that with that PE a that I
mentioned we're gonna be publishing in the next couple of months
understood and finally what is your exit strategy for the business well we're
advancing and becoming you know a developer as we move with these
engineering studies at Nash freakin super jacked with that being said I mean
a normal part of the cycle is you have exploration companies like Cal and X
explore for and begin developing the these type of deposits and then you have
producers that take those out and acquire them to its to build into their
pipeline of you know the project portfolio or their development pipeline
for eventually mining them so while we are advancing them
I wouldn't call that a question that we would be a takeover to candidate at some
point by a mid tier company that's currently producing that wants to add
additional resources in future production to their pipeline that sounds
great so once again I've been speaking with CEO and president of Cal annex
minds mr. max Porterfield if you want to learn more on your own which I certainly
encourage you want to visit that website click on the link below in the
description of this video it's also right there on your screen
WW Kalen x dot CA as an investor you'll want to know the ticker symbols in
Canada it is on the TSX V it is CN X and on the OTC markets in the United States
which you can means you can buy it from just about any online broker or
otherwise in the United States most of them will let you buy these it is CLL X
F so mister Porterfield I'm very excited about Kalyn X mines the
growth potential I believe it is a value play a great value play right now and
I'll be watching and you know watching with excitement about where the company
will go and where the stock will go so a mr. Porter feel thank you so much for
coming to looking at the markets and you're welcome back anytime sir I
appreciate it thanks so much for having me and I'm just as excited if not more
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