Good Morning!
Christiane Witt here from, actually a sunny Southern Oregon or about to be sunny.
We are (let me see) just about two minutes early, as always.
Oh, three minutes.
We will be talking today about what to do when you think it's time to divorce your
horse.
And it's a very personal show.
I have been thinking about this a lot.
And there are never really written-in-stone rules, of course, but I hope that I can provoke
some thoughts in you, some guidelines that might help you decide what the best thing
for you and your horse is.
So today, I'm combining Confident Horse Wednesday with Horse Soul Wednesday because
it could be the best thing for you and your horse.
So if you watch this on replay, scoot on forward a couple of minutes and we'll start right
on top of the hour.
So the horse that is concerning you today, what is his or her name?
Let's give it a name.
Let's not just call it an anonymous horse of some sort.
And hello, whoever joined me.
Once again, I can't see comments so I'm going to check on my Facebook page that everything
is working.
And again, this is about – are you mismatched with your horse?
And if you feel like you are, how will you know and what will you do.
This is what's most important.
(Good Morning, Lori).
Okay.
Let me just check my video.
Sorry, I'm a little slow today.
I am still a little sore from what happened to me.
Okay.
Good Morning.
Hi, Lori.
Okay, I see it.
Hi, Cecilia, good morning.
So, let's see what time is it.
Two minutes.
Again, the topic today is – What to do when you feel like you and your horse are possibly
not the right match.
We don't talk a lot about it because in many situations, it can be fixed.
And so, I will actually be talking today very honestly about what I think can be fixed and
what I think can't be fixed, and what are possibly some new opportunities to interact
with our horses where instead of finding a new person for them, we find a new job for
them.
So, I'm excited about that.
It's very personal as many of you know.
So let me check who has joined; and one minute.
Oh, Denise.
Oh, look at you, you're all here.
Good Morning, Lori.
Okay, fantastic.
Oh!
Now I can see the comments again.
God, technology is really something (pulling my hair out).
Okay.
So, what is the horse that you may think matches you least?
What's your horse's name?
It's going to be an interesting trivia question but I think it's important that you identify
that horse with its name so that we can really be honest today.
What is your horse's name, if you have one.
Let's just get started, okay.
It's nine o' clock.
I'm going to keep these glasses on despite all reflections so I can see your comments.
Charger – Denise.
I think Charger will be fine.
Bella, your thoroughbred; yes, Lori.
Okay, great.
So, many of you heard the story.
I'm just going to give a quick recap.
I know you who are here – Good morning, Christie – Marquee – you've heard the
story so bear with me.
I'm only going to take about five minutes.
But I think it's important for those who are going to watch the video afterwards, who
don't have the background story.
So, I adopt mustangs.
I gentle mustangs.
That's what I do.
That's what I love doing.
I've done that very successfully, and tend to take those that other people don't want.
So when I worked at a mustang rescue in Lancaster, California, one of the horses really called
to me.
I don't usually have that.
I'm not that weird; that horse just talk to me.
But this guy did.
And he said, "Please don't hurt me anymore".
He was this very frightened, very big, very powerful, unusually big mustang in a corner.
And I heard a little voice saying, "Please don't frighten me anymore".
Well, you can imagine that given that I don't hear that often, I just felt called to take
him home.
So I looked at his chart and his chart had this big label – crazy – across.
And he had been returned several times.
The story was a little vague but there was something about him having had a saddle on
for 24 hours because he wouldn't stop bucking and somebody took him to TAP program which
I don't really understand, but I understand includes laying a horse down or throwing a
horse down.
Again, vague history.
Why I'm telling you this is because most of you have used horses; kind of like used
cars, with people that owned and started the horses prior to you getting them.
So your history may be more vague on your horse than it was on me.
So, that's all I knew.
He was very frightened, very terrified of people.
And so, I knew, I had a hand, I know how to develop trust.
After my book and my story with Maia, I knew how to develop trust and lo and behold, once
I took him home, within a few weeks he was following me around like a puppy.
He has an amazing energy.
He's a really nice animal but it was very clear that somebody had rushed the job of
saddling him.
And I want you to remember this because if you are starting to doubt your horse very
likely somewhere there in his early education, somebody rushed the job.
If you remember, when I teach you about reclaiming your confidence, I always talk about comfort
zone, stretch zone, and fear zone or even panic zone.
Many horses even today are started through the fear and panic zone.
And they get stuck in that zone as we will hear in that story in just a little bit.
So, long story short, he's been progressing amazingly; done a lot of beautiful groundwork,
a lot of releasing in his pull, was really stiff.
He has a scar from being roped so his pull is almost messed up.
All great; I've been riding him on trails even though the winter was rainy, I've been
putting some hours into riding him.
His kind of a little slow, like laid back so a really, really sweet horse.
I was about to buy all these European equipment to do some really classic academic dressage
with him when I took him out for a little ride on Sunday, just on my property.
So grass has just started growing and they have been living in a muddy dry pen, and so
muddy, wet pen.
And so when he saw the grass he said, "Oh, I would like some grass" and all I said
is, "No, you know what, not right now".
I didn't jerk.
I didn't yank.
I don't even have a bit in his mouth.
And he decided to bolt one more time.
He had done it with me before, injuring me.
It was hard, scary series of bucks, and I came off.
Thank goodness, the ground was soft and other than my ribs, and you might see some circles
under my eyes because I think I had some concussion even though I had a helmet on.
I'm okay.
Now, the point here is what do I do next?
And before I get there, the heater is killing me; so one second.
Think about the same thing for your horse.
If you have a persistent problem with your horse, very likely it started without a fear,
a defense mechanism.
But what happened with Dao, now that I know he wasn't afraid anymore, he was totally
desensitized to the saddle; to me, I mean I've done a good job.
It's that his fear became a habit.
And now instead of getting rid of this thing that panics him, he learned a skill and that
is to get rid of the thing that bothers him.
Different story; and I really want you; I would love some feedback.
If you either have come across a horse like that or you happen to have one where while
you are – (Good morning, Cat) – while you are the most kind minded person and you
might have rescued horses, you sometimes wonder what the heck is wrong with this horse, I've
done everything to build the trust.
And yet, I see this kind of behavior.
So let me see if you have any experiences.
I know it's always a little delayed.
So if you do, type it in.
So, out of fear, out of bad starting, now a habit was created.
Now, I've talked to you in the group and if it's a habit such as pulling back or
opening a latch or nibbling on wood, or whatever it is, you can work on that.
You can extinguish it.
We know now – (Good morning, Kim) – that extinguishing is a very solid, very successful
form of getting rid of a behavior.
70% success rate is the highest that we've seen both in people as you overcome your confidence
– thank you for the thumbs; yeah – and in horses.
But, we also know something called spontaneous recovery just like you can really reclaim
your confidence.
And then kind of forget about it and ride, and all of a sudden you get triggered by something
and all of that fear comes back.
The thing is when I work with you, I can tell you that that might happen and you can evaluate,
as a rider like, "okay most of the time, I'm not afraid.
It's worth it for me to get in the saddle and then every so often it comes back, I know
now what to do to reclaim my confidence afterwards".
With a horse that has a habit not of hard series of bucks, can I afford at my age or
any age, to wait for that spontaneous recovery?
What does that to my own confidence?
What does that to my own sense of safety?
What does that to my husband's support of this entire business?
So those are questions that I think we need to all ask ourselves.
So the question to you, to make this story relevant to you is – Do you have a horse
that a) you feel caused initially by fear but now has a habit that is dangerous to you
and the horse?
A lot of you have trailer loading issues.
This is a very typical one where somebody didn't take initially, a lot of time with
trailer loading, kind of shoved and force the horse in, the horse panicked.
And now, even though you've done a lot of work, every so often, your horse will refuse
to climb back in the trailer.
That's spontaneous recovery.
Or, they will start to panic because, I don't know, the brake screeched, or any kind of
a little trigger hijacked their entire thinking.
Okay, I see a comment by Christie – "Marquee was shown through pain by a trainer (kissing
spine) it made him hot and even now when I begin to collect him he gets so hot, it's
not fun to ride even though we've resolved the pain issue."
Yes.
"He was my dream Hunter Pleasure horse."
Yes.
Again, you may be able to extinguish it to a certain degree but the slightest trigger
might bring it back up, and that is a reality.
We don't talk about it a lot in our industry because to be really honest, a lot of trainers
make money off those horses, and I don't mean this in any derogatory way because thank
goodness they are there to help you.
But, if we actually really look at behavioral science rather than "I'm hoping for the
best" science, then we know that statistics show us that this spontaneous recovery can
occur at any time.
So, if you know that and you have a horse that; if your horse pulls back, don't tie
it up for a while.
If your horse has trailering issues, really work on it.
Think of what you can live with, I guess is my message to you.
If your horse gets really nervous, maybe you can't show it anymore.
Let me see, there's another comment.
I really want to make this interactive.
Cat – "I had a mare that would buck every once in a while.
We never knew the trigger; usually easy buck.
Finally, very hard buck and I got hurt.
Finally, I had to return her."
(Good Morning, Alice) Yes, so an occasional one, and see this is exactly what happens
here, too.
I'm the first one to wonder if I did a good job with a horse; if I could've done better;
whatever it was.
But Dao and I, oh my God, like this, and I've done a lot of work and if you see pictures
of me desensitizing him with a dummy, I mean I've done it.
And, because my concussion wasn't very big, I remember to the very end, I remember all
of it.
And there was no perceivable trigger.
Now the issue is and I teach this a lot, is that often your horses do give you a cue before
something happens especially when it's fear-based.
So I have a Quarter horse Arab mare that shies.
That's a different thing from bolting and bucking.
Now, the result might be the same but it's caused by something different and that's
what I really want you to take away with from this, and really go home and think about it.
Is it caused by fear?
Or is it caused now by a habit that has positively reinforced?
Me, coming off, him running off to the grass; I still have to find my bridle.
That was positive reinforcement.
Now, my Quarter horse Arab mare gives me plenty of little signs that the alertness level goes
up, and I can do something about that.
I can move her feet.
I can get her attention back to me.
I can get off and do groundwork.
I have choices.
But a horse that has learned a behavior, and that's all it says, that Dao is really smart
because he's learned something and he's getting better and better at it.
Meaning he gives less and less warning signs so he cannot be stopped.
And I don't mean this in any judgmental way.
As a matter of fact, I'm proud – Wow, at least I got a smart horse.
But, here's the thing with a buck and a bolting horse – if we want to extinguish
it, we need to make sure that we can stop it a hundred percent of the time.
There's something called intermittent reinforcement in behavior therapy theory, and you all do
this.
The biggest analogy that came to me last night with a horse like this is a three-year-old
kid at a checkout counter.
He sees the candy and he goes, "Mom, I want some candy" and the Mom says, "Nope, no
candy today"; "Baahhhh...!" you know, splash on the floor, big temper tantrum, and
you're staying really consistent and you're saying, "Sorry I don't care what you do,
we're not having candy".
Okay, great.
You're starting extinguish that behavior.
Twenty times later, "Mom, I want that candy".
You're tired, you had a long day.
You're other kid is occupying your attention and you go, "Okay fine, have a piece of
candy".
You had now even more reinforced this behavior because intermittent reinforcement is stronger
than constant reinforcement.
The way I've learned this is when I worked with kids with autism.
There was a subset of kids that we called kidney bangers; really sad and it's really
how it was.
They try to get attention with disruptive behaviors.
The parents try to extinguish it and ignore it.
And so they escalated their behavior in order to finally get that attention to a point where
they took their elbows into their kidneys and banged them.
Now because you can kill yourself that way, the parents paid attention.
Hence, intermittently reinforced an exaggerated; now exaggerated behavior.
So, if I ride Dao twenty times, hundred times through bucks, and then I come off again,
I now strengthened his response, his habit.
So what I'm trying to say here is whatever you guys behavior issue is with your horse,
is you have responsibility in both directions.
If I was just to say, I'm just going to ride through it or like somebody said yesterday,
they sent their horse to a trainer.
And then the trainer got hurt or came off, and the horse even hurt somebody else to a
point where he now bucked twice a week.
You are basically teaching your horse to buck.
And that is a responsibility we need to be very, very aware of just like this incredibly
well-meaning parents actually inadvertently taught their kids to damage their kidneys.
Now before behavior therapy was available to these children, many of them were institutionalized
in straight jackets.
So I want to bring home to you that it's not all about this heroic, "I'm never
going to abandon my horse", "I'm never going to give up on my horse", "I'm
going to ride through it".
You may do actually more damage.
Because if you ride intermittently through it, get hurt a few times over the next years,
and now you finally give your horse back, you have now given up on a horse that has
a much more confirmed habit than today.
So I want to see your comments on that.
You can see how it's really personal to me because I'm really struggling with that.
"Makes sense" – thank you Gail.
"Yes, Amen", I don't know what the Amen was for but thank you.
So in Cat's story – "Bucked every so often; we never knew the trigger; usually
an easy buck; finally very hard.
I got hurt.
Off the horse went".
If in effect, you feel capable or you have help to ride a horse through an easy buck
especially as long as it's truly still fear-driven, the outcome is very positive.
I mean my Arab mare, God bless her, but every rock is a thing to be gawking at and spooking
at and jumping at, and she doesn't frighten me.
I just turn her head, disengage her hind end, move her feet a little bit; she comes back
to me.
So, because it never escalated into a habit, it is truly still fear-based.
It is not escalating.
As a matter of fact, it's diminishing a little bit.
But every rock that she successfully conquers, she gets more confidence.
Can you see the difference?
One, you really want to stick with – the fear-based.
But once you get into habit, that is not fear-based and you don't know anymore the trigger,
you have to be really responsible on what to do and this is the divorce; what is it
– l like the crossroads, right?
You're now in a crossroad.
So, let me see because I see a couple of comments.
Yeah, Cat, at first you can ride her through it.
Okay, great.
Gina – "I had no idea intermittent reinforcement was stronger than constant but it makes sense."
Of course, it does.
But we don't always think about it.
We are all exposed to intermittent reinforcement.
Gambling is in intermittent reinforcement strategy that's why it becomes an addiction.
You don't every time but goddamn it, you won 15 minutes or two hours ago, so if you
try a little bit more and you spend a little bit more money, you got to win.
That's why intermittent reinforcement is in effect stronger and it causes an addiction.
So in a way, your horse now becomes addicted to this behavior.
And this is where we are at the crossroads.
Now in my case, I got six of them – one is a cold, one is Maia who was never to be
ridden anyway.
She's just the heroine of my book.
And then there's Dao.
There is my Quarter horse Arab mare.
There is a bulletproof, amazing little mustang mare that I find a little boring.
And then there's my husband's still unbroke horse but I think he'll make a really great
running horse.
So I got choices.
Yes, I mean maybe you still see it in my face, I'm grieving.
This horse is by far my most favorite horse and I would love, love, love to sit that extended
trunk that he has and that rocking horse canter.
I don't know if I'll ever have a horse like this again.
But here is the crossroad, is it about me or is it about Dao?
Can in effect, we find a way to be with each other where he can be happy; because here's
the funny part – he bucked and he was successful.
But yesterday, I came into the corral with a halter to work with another horse, and he
walked away.
This is the first time probably since I adopted him that he walked away.
Meaning that he kind of scared himself; he didn't like what he did.
So this isn't a pleasant experience for him either.
His front boots came off, the bridle broke.
This isn't fun for him either.
So, now we're at this crossroad.
And many of you are at the same crossroad that's why I tell the story.
I'm not telling the story because oh me and Dao.
I'm trying to tell the story because we retain stories better than statistics.
So let me see what you're saying and then I'm going to continue with what I came up
with.
Cat – "It's not fun riding in a constant state of alert."
No, not at all.
No.
Lori – "I had to make a decision to sell my horse.
It was hard but best for both of us.
She's doing very well with her new owner."
Great.
Christie – "This really deepens my understanding."
Yes.
Okay, thank you, Christie.
I'm glad.
So, crossroads – sometimes the road is a divorce.
It's the right crossroad.
Maybe it's your only horse, you're boarding.
It's hundreds of dollars a month.
There may not be alternatives to riding because the entire boarding facility is based on being
in the saddle.
The idea I think, ideally is that you make sure that the horse has no other holes, that
it's not damaged goods, that you can identify this one piece so that it's a very desirable
horse except for that one issue, and then hope to match it like Cat was able to do with
the right person.
That's ideal.
Now, in my case, I'm a very good rider and I don't mean to say this … at me, but
I am really good.
I have set bucks.
I notice bucks long before they get there.
I can sense and feel a horse.
I could not sense anything, and I came off very fast and hard.
So, if you think about percentages of riders that are faster, better and more determined
than I am, there aren't that many, right?
So, I don't know, I don't need to place myself somewhere in this – "I'm at the
90th percentile" but does that make sense?
I had Olympic dressage ambitions.
I have a good sit so who do I go to if I was to sell or give away Dao, who I can I kind
of really trust – a) that they treat the horse with kindness because he's not a bad
boy.
He just has a bad habit, and who can really sit the buck and not intermittently reinforce
it so that eventually he'll end up in a terrible, terrible place.
So, the second direction I could take is to say, he's primarily a horse with a soul
and a heart; that he can feel pain just like I do.
And can I let go of my addiction to sit that trot, to rock on that canter, and can I with
him, find a way, a brand new way to be with each other where he can show his brilliance
because it's not his fault.
Some idiot started him the wrong way.
This horse is the most mellow, easy going, gently guy in the world with a crappy habit.
Somebody trained him that habit.
So will I now punish that horse and let him go down this slippery slow towards the kill
show, the kill auction?
I'm not doing that.
So in my case, I have my horses in my own land.
They don't cost me very much.
We own a lot of land.
I do this for a living so I can present him as an example.
We can build obstacle courses and agility courses, and we could do a whole bunch of
different things.
I'm not saying this is the right thing for you but I want you to know that there are
options because the horse world has gotten bigger and more diverse these days, and it's
not all about riding anymore.
So, what I've chosen and I'm just; again, this is not a culture of judgment but in my
case, I'm actually really excited, I have this McGyver husband, and we are going to
create an amazing obstacle course and I will really work with him on agility, on working
equitation but from the ground, and he'll be this majestic well-muscled, amazingly powerful
beautiful, almost black mustang that will shine in its own way without a person on top.
Now, after I've accomplished that, maybe one day, I reconsider taking a risk.
I don't know.
I think the trick here is, the biggest lesson for me and maybe there's a lesson in there
for you, is that if I can remove my ego and my desires, and I can create an alternative
that matches both of us; because I'm actually really excited about learning more about liberty,
about really bringing a horse along like this, like the old European school masters, then
maybe the biggest lesson here is that I see his heart before I see his back.
That's a hard lesson.
I see his back and it's a beautiful back.
And I would love to hop on there.
I don't have another nice horse like that.
But, in the end, is it about us letting them shine in their own way?
Is it about as humans taking responsibility for what we have created, which is a problem
of course?
I think so.
In my case, I have the financial and location possibility to not have to send them away.
I can get creative.
I know not all of you do.
And again, there's no judgment.
But I would love for you to consider if a divorce, a separation, because you've become
your horse's human.
Your horse trusts you.
And again, I'm not guilt-tripping you.
But, what I'm trying to say is there are really three ways.
You can try to ride through the issue and get majorly hurt and in turn reinforce the
behavior, make it stronger and harder to extinguish for somebody else.
You can find hopefully the right next person.
The issue with the next person is always we don't know what the next person after that
next person is.
Or, can you reconsider what you do with your horse?
So in Christie's case, maybe you can't show anymore.
What else is there?
Maybe if you ignore showing for four years and you do something totally different, all
of a sudden the nerves are gone and you can show.
I don't know.
(My glasses dropped on the ground so I'm going to disappear for a second.
Pick them up so I can see your comments.
Oh boy, okay so let's see.)
Lori – "For me, that would be ideal.
I have many horses that I can do different levels of liberty with riding or dressage."
Yeah, cool.
Thanks for the hearts, Cecilia.
"Marquee was also abused when started.
We have properties so we're retiring him.
He has wonderful ground manners and likes to trail ride."
Here we go, different job.
Gail – "I think what scares me most is that it could happen to somebody with your
skills set."
Yes.
Oh, my computer just froze; one second.
"What would I have to offer my horse so we're both safe?"
Well, that's really the question, right.
This is really the point of getting creative.
So, let me just make sure because I always promise you that I stop; okay so I just have
a couple of minutes.
If there's any more comments, mention them now or I'll go overtime.
But I want to respect your time, as well.
So, it's actually, it's always one door closes and a new one opens, and I'm excited
to reconnect with that idea.
What's been really funny is I've had this idea all along.
My husband is amazing at building stuff and we have these beautiful grounds to the woods
and we always talked about an obstacle course.
But because I've been riding for so long, it's always my "go to" thing.
It's like my home base.
And so having kind of like ripped up from underneath me at least in Dao's case, you
know honestly, I don't have very good footing.
This is nature over here.
I don't have this amazing dressage ring that I used to have.
So the question really is to do I spend about ten, $15,000 to build an amazing riding ring
or do I spend some of that money to build an amazing obstacle course?
And, you can see me, I'm excited.
We're going to build it and we're going to build some mobile pieces.
And we're going to build it for various purposes.
So if it's a Confidence course or a more flexibility course like we're giving it
purposes.
And then Brad, my husband will actually create a manual for you, just a PDF to purchase so
you can build your own course, a mobile course.
Look at that, and this is what I'm just trying to show to you is can we get creative?
So instead of divorcing, can we find a new way?
Because many of you say your horses are amazing on the ground.
Can they shine from you on the ground?
Can we give them permission to keep teaching us outside of the saddle, or whatever the
thing is?
If in effect, trailer loading is continuing to be a big issue and somebody has reinforced
really scary situations, can you stay home?
I don't know; there are some others.
Where your horse gets shy, really nervous at shows, can you let go of your desire to
show?
Can you build something new instead of getting divorced?
And, you know, I've been through a divorce.
I know that sometimes it's the best thing you can do and sometimes, it's all about
finding a new venue for the two of you.
And the fun part is that all the riding would've really created a gap between Brad and me.
He's not interested in any of that academic riding stuff.
But now, we have something in common.
We can build together and we can play together, and we can create, and he's really excited.
Last night over dinner he's like, "Oh, and I can create these PDFs and these kits".
So my point is, and I'm going to leave you with that; is sit down, figure out – Is
your horse still fear-based?
Then, I can help.
The programs that you're in or that you're considering with me, I can help.
If it's an old habit that you cannot extinguish or you cannot guarantee that you can extinguish,
then this is a different story.
And let's go find a new path; one of happiness and success and joy and laughter, and the
two of you.
That may not have been the plan that you originally had; kind of like life.
So, I'm going to look at your comments and then I'm going to quit for today.
But I hope this was helpful.
Let's see.
I don't see any more.
It's just a whole bunch of hearts.
Cecilia – "I almost divorced my wonderful husband.
We had to learn to communicate.
I can't imagine my life without him now.
I relay this to my horses."
Oh, excellent.
Cecilia, agility course is on my list as well.
Christie – "Thank you for having such honest and realistic conversation."
Yeah, yeah.
So you know, it's kind of like my business because I was going to include riding in all
of this.
I'm good at it and I'm really good at teaching it.
But instead, I'm going to specialize in helping you build obstacle courses.
It's for confidence-building.
It's for fitness.
Something I wanted you to know anyway.
It's for agility, for flexibility.
We can create it for strength; anything pre-riding that when you choose to ride or if you choose
to ride, your horse is more fun anyway.
And if you don't, you may just forget that what's used to be so important to you.
And I think more I see the age at which, many of you are attracted to this material, for
some of you and so many of you, you have some physical issues.
Oh my ribs, they're hurting like hell, I could feel them.
Is it maybe another way for both of us to be flexible, to be agile, to be laughing,
to be playful?
Because riding sometimes gets so serious.
And we can create clubs, can some of us in our community build these obstacle courses
that we can go visit each other?
Can we do something that has never been done before?
I don't know but I'm excited now and I'm going to thank Dao for kicking my butt, to
come up with new solutions, new ways of being with a horse, where the horse and the relationship
comes before riding.
And I had to take that pill.
So I thank you for all the time.
I'm going to check on last comments.
And next Wednesday, I don't know yet what we're talking about.
It seems like the horses and life tell the story.
But as always, it is the spiritual climb up the spiritual mountain of Mt. Kailash, closer
to the soul of our horses, and with it this morning, I can really say, closer to my own
soul, ego-less soul or less ego-tempered soul.
So I thank you for all your time.
Next Wednesday, same time, and welcome for anybody who's new to our program and our
community.
Come join us in our free group at facebook.com/groups/harmonywithhorses.
And until next week, but I'll check your comments before I say "bye".
Thank you for the hearts.
Okay so let's see, last person.
Great.
I have to see which direction we want to go.
I don't want to say bye yet.
Okay, here we go.
"I can feel your excitement.
It's wonderful."
Yeah, thank you, Dao.
"Great idea, I wish I could be excited as you are.
I'm thinking I can't ride Charger because he bucks."
There is grief, Denise.
I am excited but I don't want to deny the fact that it's; look at me, you don't
usually see me with shadows under my eyes.
It's hard; it's hard.
And, I have no more horses, too.
So, I totally understand.
Hello, Tory.
Hugs to Denise.
Okay.
So, sit with your grief.
Sit with it.
It's real; it's real.
Nobody can take it away from you.
And, you may not come to that conclusion but I think it's important that we have an honest
conversation.
(Blew a kiss) Until next week, or of course, in a few minutes in our group; Bye!
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