HIM IF HE'D LIKE TO BE ON "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW."
>>> WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN CONGRESSMAN ELIJAH CUMMINGS, THE
TOP DEMOCRAT ON THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM
COMMITTEE. CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS, THANK YOU
FOR BEING WITHOUS SHORT NOTICE TOENT.
APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US. >> GLAD TO BE WITH YOU, RACHEL.
>> LET ME GET YOUR REACTION TO THIS NEWS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE
HAS FIRED THE FBI DIRECTOR TONIGHT ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF
ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS. >> RACHEL, I WAS SHOCKED.
BUT NOT REALLY SURPRISED. AFTER HEARING SALLY YATES
YESTERDAY AND, BY THE WAY, A -- THAT'S THE EPITOME OF A PUBLIC
SERVANT, A PERSON THAT I KNOW WELL.
PHENOMENAL INTEGRITY. TO COME FORTH AND SAY THE THINGS
SHE SAID. IT'S INTERESTING THAT TODAY, NOW
WE MOVE TO THIS SUBJECT. I THOUGHT SHE LAID OUT A VERY
CLEAR CASE AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE TIMING IS INTERESTING.
IT SEEMS AS SOON AS THERE IS A SITUATION WHERE THERE IS SOME
NEGATIVE EVIDENCE COMING FORWARD WITH REGARD TO THE PRESIDENT,
SUDDENLY THERE IS WHAT I CALL A HOCUS-POCUS MOVE.
WE THEN MOVE TO ANOTHER SUBJECT. AND THIS ONE IS, WITHOUT A
DOUBT, NOT ONLY EXPLOSIVE, BUT I THINK IT ALSO GOES TO THE HEART
OF OUR DEMOCRACY. >> CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS, YOU
HAVE BEEN VERY OUTSPOKEN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE
REFUSED TO HAND OVER ANY DOCUMENTS, EVEN A SINGLE PAGE OF
DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO MIKE FLYNN'S VETTING TO BE NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISER AND HIS TENURE AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER
AFTER YOUR COMMITTEE, YOU AND CONGRESSMAN CHAFFETZ ASKED THEM
FOR INFORMATION ABOUT FLYNN'S TENURE, HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE
APPLICATION PROCESS. WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT NOW?
>> CHAIRMAN CHAFE EI ASKED HIM -- FIRST OF ALL, RACHEL, WE
HAVE STILL NOT GOTTEN ONE SINGLE SYLLABLE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL. PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE A
BIPARTISAN REQUEST. AND I'D ASK CHAIRMAN CHAFFETZ
ABOUT NOW SUDDENING THOSE RECORDS AND HE HAS BASICALLY
SAID HE'D NOT DO THAT. AND THAT LEADS ME TO ANOTHER
POINT, RACHEL. PRESIDENT TRUMP, THERE IS
ABSOLUTELY NO ACCOUNTABILITY WITH REGARD TO THIS PRESIDENT.
HE BASICALLY SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
AND OUR REPUBLICAN FRIENDS ARE AIDING AND ABETTING THAT
SITUATION. WE LOOK AT THE EMOLUMENTS
SITUATION. FAMILY MEMBERS MAKING ALL KINDS
OF MONEY, OFF THE PRESIDENCY AND I COULD GO ON AND ON.
BUT THE IDEA THAT THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD NOT GIVE US ONE
SYLLABLE IS VERY UNUSUAL. NORMALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF
THERE WAS A DISPUTE, WE'D GET SOME DOCUMENTS AND THEN WE'D
WALK -- SIT DOWN WITH THE WHITE HOUSE.
THAT IS THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMITTEMMIT
AND TRY TO WORK OUT ISSUES AS TO WHETHER THERE'S EXECUTIVE
PRIVILEGE OR PROBLEMS THAT THEY SAY.
AND USUALLY WE'RE ABLE TO GET SOME DOCUMENTS.
IF THIS WERE HILLARY CLINTON, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD BE TRYING
TO IMPEACH HER RIGHT NOW. I'M TELLING YOU.
KEEP IN MIND THAT CHAIRMAN CHAFFETZ IN A MATTER OF MAYBE
TWO OR THREE WEEKS BACK A FEW MONTHS AGO, BEFORE WE WENT OUT
OF SESSION, HELD SIX EMERGENCY HEARINGS OVER A COURSE OF TWO OR
THREE WEEKS DEALING WITH RECORDS, SUBPOENAS, THINGS OF
THAT NATURE TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM SECRETARY
CLINTON. AND SO WHAT I HAVE SAID TO THE
REPUBLICANS IS THAT WE ARE TO ACT AS A CHECK AND BALANCE WITH
REGARD TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. WE HAVE A JOB TO DO.
THIS IS NOT A REPUBLICAN ISSUE, A DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT.
THIS IS AN AMERICAN ISSUE. AND I AM HOPING THAT THEY WILL
COME AROUND. BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE
CHAIRMAN OF OUR COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE.
LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH NUNES. I MEAN, THAT WAS A FIASCO.
RUNNING AROUND, HIDING DOCUMENTS, CLAIMING HE GOT THEM
FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. THIS IS A MAJOR INVESTIGATION.
AND SO GOING BACK TO COMEY, HE WAS THE ONE INDEPENDENT PERSON
WHO I THOUGHT WOULD LEAD AN INVESTIGATION THAT MIGHT LEAD US
TO THE KINDS OF FACTS WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
>> CONGRESSMAN, YOU'VE CALLED FOR IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY HEARINGS
TO HEAR TESTIMONY FROM HIM, FROM NOW FORMER FBI DIRECTOR JAMES
COMEY AND FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND FROM THE DEPUTY
ATTORNEY GENERAL. DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE
THAT YOU'LL GET THAT? >> I THINK THERE'S A
POSSIBILITY. I THINK BASICALLY, BUT RACHEL,
COME ON NOW. THE ONLY WAY WE GET THAT IS
PEOPLE LIKE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SAY THAT I'M GOING TO PUT
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY AND BE A TRUE LEADER.
THAT THE FOLKS AT McCONNELL, OVER AT THE SENATE DO THE SAME
THING. WE HAVE TO HAVE THEIR
COOPERATION. RACHEL, YOU KNOW THIS.
WHEN WE ARE NOT IN POWER, THAT IS DEMOCRATS ARE NOT IN POWER,
WE DON'T CALL FOR -- WE CAN'T CALL FOR -- WE DON'T HAVE THE
POWER TO CALL FOR THESE HEARINGS.
WE CAN'T MAKE THEM HAPPEN. BUT IF THE REPUBLICANS WOULD
STOP CIRCLING THE WAGON AROUND THIS PRESIDENT AND CIRCLE THE
WAGON AROUND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SO THAT WE CAN
PRESERVE OUR DEMOCRACY, SO THAT GENERATIONS YET UNBORN MIGHT
EXPERIENCE WHAT I EXPERIENCED AS A YOUNG MAN COMING UP, THAT IS A
TRUE DEMOCRACY, THEN THAT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT UNTIL THEN, UNTIL THEY MOVE OFF OF THAT PLATEAU THAT THEY
SEEM TO BE ON, NOT WANTING TO LOOK INTO THIS AND KIND OF
BACKING OFF, WHENEVER WE SEEM TO BE GETTING CLOSE AND NEW
EVIDENCE COMES FORWARD. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
SO THEN YOU'LL HAVE A PRESIDENCY WHERE THERE IS NO
ACCOUNTABILITY. AND AS PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID
DURING THE CAMPAIGN, AND HE WAS VERY, VERY CLEAR, WHEN HE TALKED
ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON SAYING LOCK HER UP, HIM ALONG WITH
FLYNN, THEY SAID THAT NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.
AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE'S ANOTHER THING.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANT TO BRING EVERYBODY IN, THE
DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND I KNOW ROD ROSENSTEIN.
BECAUSE HE SERVED HERE IN MARYLAND FOR OVER TEN YEARS AS
OUR U.S. ATTORNEY. BUT, RACHEL, WE'VE GOT SESSIONS
WHO SAYS THAT HE RECUSED HIMSELF.
NOW, WAIT A MINUTE. AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
YOU SAID YOU RECUSE YOURSELF FROM ANYTHING TO DO WITH HILLARY
CLINTON. YOU RECUSE YOURSELF FROM
ANYTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP AND -- PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE
RUSSIANS. WELL, WAIT A MINUTE NOW.
YOU NOW JUST, AS I READ THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PUT FORTH BY
THE PRESIDENT, HE SAYS THAT THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SESSIONS
ADVISED HIM TO FIRE MR. COMEY. THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE RECUSAL
TO ME. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO
BE ABOUT, IT'S NOT JUST WHAT WE DO.
IT'S WHAT WE DO SAYS ABOUT US. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WANT A
TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT. WE WANT ONE WITH HONESTY AND
INTEGRITY. AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW
WHAT THAT INTEGRITY LOOKS LIKE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT
CLAPPER AND SALLY YATES. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO
WILL BRING US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
>> CONGRESSMAN ELIJAH CUMMINGS, THE TOP DEMOCRAT ON THE HOUSE
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH
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