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MIKE: A STATE LAWMAKER IS
FLOATING AN IDEA TO BUILD
WISCONSIN'S FIRST
PRIVATELY-OWNED, BUT
PUBLICLY-RUN PRISON.
IT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT FOR
THE GREEN BAY CORRECTIONAL
INSTITUTION IN ALLOUEZ.
THERE'S LITTLE DISAGREEMENT
ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THAT
FACILITY.
IT'S OLD -- 118 YEARS, TO BE
EXACT.
IT'S OVERCROWDED AND SOMETHING
NEWER, AND SAFER, IS NEEDED.
REPRESENTATIVE DAVID STEFFEN OF
HOWARD HAS A BILL THAT WOULD
ALLOW A PRIVATELY BUILT AND
OWNED PRISON TO REPLACE THE
GREEN BAY PRISON BY 2022
HE JOINS US NOW ON "UPFRONT."
PROGRAM TODAY.
REP. STEFFEN: THANK YOU.
MIKE: LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS
ISN'T.
HE PULLED HEAR THE WORD PRIVATE
ATTACHED PRISONS AND THEY
AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT PRIVATIZING A
PRISON.
THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT.
REP. STEFFEN: ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I OPPOSE FULL PRIVATE PRISONS.
FOR 5000 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A
SIMILAR STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF
PRISON OPERATION, GOVERNMENT
OWNED, GOVERNMENT STAFFED IN
TERMS OF THE FACILITY.
THE LAST GENERATION OR SO,
THERE'S BEEN A NEW CONSTRUCT --
PRIVATE PRISONS, PRIVATELY
OWNED, PRIVATELY STAFFED.
IN THE LAST 5, 6, 7 YEARS ACROSS
THE NATION, CALIFORNIA,
OKLAHOMA, KANSAS HAVE GONE DOWN
THIS PATH OF HAVING IT PRIVATELY
OWNED, THE BRICK-AND-MORTAR, BUT
IT IS PUBLICLY STAFFED, SO OUR
DOC STAFF, OUR DOC GUARDS
WORKING IN MANAGING THAT
FACILITY.
MIKE: WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF
THAT?
REP. STEFFEN: WE HAVE MORE
CONTROL.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES WITH
THE PRIVATE ONLY PRISON MODEL,
AND BY HAVING OUR WELL-TRAINED,
WELL EXPERIENCED GUARDS BEING
THE ONE WITH THE STATE POLICIES
OVERSEEING IT, WE END UP IN MY
OPINION WITH A BETTER PRODUCT, A
BETTER SERVICE THAT WE ARE
PROVIDING TO THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN.
MIKE: THIS IS ALSO ABOUT TAXES.
COMMUNITIES MIGHT BE MORE
RECEPTIVE TO A PRIVATELY OWNED A
PRISON THAN IT WOULD BE TO A
PUBLICLY OWNED PRISON.
REP. STEFFEN: IT'S ONE OF THE
GREAT BENEFITS THAT THIS
FACILITY, BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATELY
OWNED, WILL BE TAXABLE.
ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES
WHEREVER YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A
NEW FACILITY IS WHERE YOU PUT
IT?
THIS PROVIDES A FINANCIAL
INCENTIVE, TAX DOLLARS, PROPERTY
TAX DOLLARS TO BE AVAILABLE TO
THE COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITY
THAT HOST THAT FACILITY.
MIKE: WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT
THIS?
REP. STEFFEN: IT MAKES SENSE
BECAUSE OF THE WORKFORCE IS
ALREADY THERE, NEXT AND SECURITY
FACILITIES ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO
STAFF.
IT TAKES A CERTAIN PERSON WHO IS
WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT TYPE
OF CLIENTELE.
THE WAY THE BILL IS STRUCTURED
AND THE WAY DOC WOULD WANT IT IS
THAT IT BE WITHIN THE REGION.
THE WAY THE BILL IS STRUCTURED
IN BROWN COUNTY OR ONE OF THE
ADJACENT COUNTIES.
MIKE: THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES
AT THAT PRISON.
CROWDING, SAFETY, WHAT DO WE DO?
AND HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO
HAVE A STOPGAP BEFORE YOU GET
SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
REP. STEFFEN: WE HAVE TWO
CONGRUENT PATH.
WE START THE PROCESS OF
DECOMMISSIONING THE GREEN BAY
CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTE, STARTING
WITH RFPS TO SELL THE PROPERTY.
WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS
FACILITY IS THAT FACILITY IS
UNIQUE IN THAT IT IS SITTING ON
$80 MILLION WORTH OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
IT SITS ON THE FOX RIVER.
IT HAS SOME OF THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL SCENES OF THE CITY.
IT IS NOT RECEIVING A SINGLE
DOLLAR IMPACT BENEFIT -- OF TAX
BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
MIKE: IT COULD BE TURNED IN A
HOUSING OR CONDOS.
REP. STEFFEN: IN FACT, THIS HAS
BEEN DONE.
HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT
FACILITIES LIKE PRISONS CAN BE
TRANSITIONED WITH RESPECT TO
HISTORY, BUT PROVIDE THIS
OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPERTY TAX
BENEFIT FOR THE ENTIRE
COMMUNITY.
COFFEE SHOPS, RETAIL SPACE,
OFFICE SPACE -- ALL BY STILL
RESPECTING THE HISTORY INVOLVED.
MIKE: WHY IS THIS A GOOD DEAL
FOR A PRIVATE DEVELOPER?
REP. STEFFEN: I SPENT 10 MONTHS
WORKING WITH ARCHITECT,
DEVELOPER'S WHO WORK IN THIS
SPACE.
THE REASON WHY IT'S A GOOD DEAL
IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO BETTER
TENANT THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY A
BILL THAT I GOVERNMENT.
BY HAVING THE STATE PAYING THE
LEAST EVERY MONTH, YOU KNOW THAT
MONEY IS COMING IN.
THIS IS CALLED REAL ESTATE
INVESTMENT TRUSTS, WHERE THEY
BUILD SHOPPING MALLS, BUT THEY
ALSO BUILD PRISONS.
THEY WILL OWN THE
BRICK-AND-MORTAR OF THE FACILITY
AND THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE
BRICK-AND-MORTAR, BUT WHEN IT
COMES TO THE ACTUAL STAFFING,
THEY MAKE MONEY OFF THE LEAST
BUT IT'S A LONG-TERM REAL ESTATE
PLAY.
THAT'S WHY THEY GET ENGAGED.
MIKE: YOU HAVE TO GET THIS
INSERTED IN THE BUDGET.
ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC?
REP. STEFFEN: I AM, FOR A COUPLE
OF REASONS.
ADDRESSING THE CAPACITY ISSUE,
RIGHT NOW WE ARE ON PACE TO HAVE
OVER 24,000 INMATES, ON RECORD
IN OUR SYSTEM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT
WE GET PAST IT, AND THEN THE
COST.
THIS PROPOSAL WILL SAVE THE
STATE OF WISCONSIN OVER $150
MILLION OVER THE NEXT DECADE.
YOU PUT THAT IN ADDITION TO A
FACILITY THAT IS GOING TO HAVE
BETTER VOCATIONAL PROGRAMMING,
BETTER MENTAL HEALTH
PROGRAMMING, BETTER RECIDIVISM
REDUCTION PROGRAMMING, IT'S A
WIN-WIN SITUATION TO HAVE THIS
MAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND
I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC IT'S WHEN A
MAKE ITS WAY TO THE GOVERNOR'S
DESK.
MIKE: REPRESENTATIVE DAVE
STEFFEN OF HOWARD, THANKS FOR
YOUR TIME TODAY.
COMING UP NEXT ON "UPFRONT,"
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