>> HASKINS: Coming up on
"Theater Talk"...
You're onstage with a lot of
lines and a lot to do.
How long did it take you to get
yourselves in the place to have
all that stamina?
>> EHLE: I think we're just
getting there now.
>> MAYS: I think we're just
getting there.
[ Laughter ]
We're not kidding.
Actually, we talked with each
other the other night and said,
"Isn't it nice to kind of listen
to the play now?"
[ Laughter ]
>> HASKINS: "Theater Talk" is
made possible in part by...
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>> MONA: And then we saw it --
two boys facing each other, one
in uniform, one in jeans --
weapons in hand, hate flowing
between them.
Their faces are exactly the
same -- the same fear, the same
desperate desire to be anywhere
but here, to not be doing this
to this other boy.
>> HASKINS: From New York City,
this is "Theater Talk."
I'm Susan Haskins.
>> RIEDEL: And I'm
Michael Riedel of
the New York Post.
>> HASKINS: So, Michael, one of
the highlights of the Broadway
season and the theater season is
the new play "Oslo," telling a
very interesting backstory about
the Oslo Accords of the early
'90s.
It was written by our guest
J.T. Rogers.
And it stars two wonderful
actors -- Jennifer Ehle and
Jefferson Mays...
>> RIEDEL: [ Laughing ] Together
for the camera shot.
>> SHER: All in one shot.
>> ROGERS: They're actually a
twin.
>> RIEDEL: Sideshow.
>> HASKINS: ...who play
Terje Larsen and his wife,
Mona Juul, who brought the
Oslo Accords together.
>> RIEDEL: The two Norwegians
who came up with the idea for
the Oslo Accords.
>> HASKINS: And we are joined by
Bartlett Sher, who is director
and leads the team into this
marvelous, critically acclaimed
production.
Thank you all for being here.
>> RIEDEL: Bartlett, it seems
that anything that happens at
Lincoln Center, you direct.
Do they allow anyone else to
direct up there?
[ Laughter ]
>> SHER: Uh, well, yes.
Of course many wonderful people.
No, I love directing there, and
I love the Beaumont.
The Beaumont's my favorite
space.
>> RIEDEL: J.T., tell us, where
did the idea for this play come
from?
>> ROGERS: Well, in a roundabout
way, Bart here.
In the way that only happens in
New York, Bart has a daughter
who was best friends with a girl
in school, and that girl's
parents turned out to be
Mona Juul and Terje Larson.
>> HASKINS: [ Gasps ]
>> ROGERS: And Bart and I were
working -- Bart was doing the
American premiere of my play
"Blood and Gifts" at
Mitzi Newhouse a few years ago.
And I brought in spies and
diplomats to talk to the actors,
and he brought in Larsen, who
was a high-ranking diplomat for
the U.N., a special envoy to
Lebanon.
And we're all captivated by his
stories.
And he and I went out for a
drink, and Bart was clever
enough not to tell me, "Oh,
there could be a play here."
>> RIEDEL: Oh, you were really
orchestrating this?
>> SHER: It might have been a
version of PlaywrightsMatch.com.
>> RIEDEL: [ Laughs ]
>> ROGERS: So, I went on to
P.J. Clarke's, the beloved
P.J. Clarke's, and we had a
number of martinis.
And I started to find out that
there was a little back channel,
and I think of myself as -- You
know, I follow politics like
sports.
So I thought, "How do I not know
about this?"
>> RIEDEL: Mm. Mm-hmm.
>> ROGERS: And I just learned
the snippets, and he didn't want
to sort of toot his own horn, so
immediately, then, I'm more
interested.
"Why are you being so
circumspect?"
And I started to discover that
there had been this -- the PLO,
the Israeli government, and
rental cars and too much whiskey
and castles.
And I thought, "My God, that is
my wheelhouse."
And I just sort of went off down
a rabbit hole, researching and
traveling and meeting people.
And here we are.
>> RIEDEL: You would think a
history play can be a little
intimidating, but you seem to
have found, Bart, from knowing
this real man, that there's the
human element, that that's what
we go into.
>> SHER: Yeah, we would sit at
soccer matches, watching our
kids play soccer, and he would
tell me the most outrageous
stories.
I couldn't believe how
incredible they were -- whether
it was about the withdrawal of
Syria from Lebanon or
negotiating this thing or that
thing, and they were all
incredible.
But this was particularly
interesting, and he dug out even
more stories.
>> ROGERS: Yeah, I mean, it was
one of those things where, you
know, you start to hear the tip
of the iceberg and it's amazing.
And I went back to him, and I
said, "Oh, my God, I've got an
idea for a play," and he's like,
"Oh, really?
That's interesting."
[ Laughter ]
But then what you have to do is
you meet people, you talk to
them, and then you build a
proverbial Chinese Wall and, you
know, "I can't speak to you,
can't know anything."
And even Bart, who was as
excited as I, said, "You know,
I'll give you the script in 12
months.
Don't ask till then."
And then I went off and said, "I
think not only is this sort of a
thrilling intellectual thriller,
but it's just amazingly funny,"
which is what I'm always
interested in with my plays, is
how do you tell -- Yes, I want
it to be about politics, yes, I
want it to be about history, but
the point is it has to be
entertaining.
>> RIEDEL: Yeah.
>> ROGERS: I like to learn
things in the theater if I'm
having a good time.
I don't like to learn things
when I'm thinking to myself,
"Wow, they're really trying to
teach me a lot."
>> HASKINS: Jefferson, what was
the term that Terje had for
bringing the people together?
There was a term that they used
where you were going to have the
people become friends.
>> MAYS: Right.
"Gradualism," as he calls it, in
which -- as opposed to totalism.
>> HASKINS: Yeah.
>> MAYS: And gradualism, it
boils down simply to bringing
the parties in question together
as human beings.
>> HASKINS: As human beings,
yeah.
>> MAYS: So they can eat
together and drink together.
>> HASKINS: Particularly drink
together, it seems.
>> MAYS: Yes, there's a lot
of -- The Scotch flows in this
production.
>> SHER: All the negotiating up
to that point had always been
huge conferences with long
tables and people arguing very
intensely, very publicly.
>> RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. For show.
>> SHER: Yeah, for show, and he
was a trained organizational
psychologist, who then thought,
"Well, what if you brought them
into private corners, no one was
around, and then go piece by
piece, gradually from one event
to the next, and have them
discuss it?
Would you come out with
different results?"
>> RIEDEL: Jennifer, I want to
ask you, what do you think
motivated this couple to do
this?
>> EHLE: They saw an
opportunity.
Norway was in a very special
position because they did have
neutrality with both sides,
which was unusual.
And Mona, her first posting was
in Cairo.
So they were sort of stationed
there, and Terje took some time
off from his -- from Fafo, from
his work in Norway.
>> MAYS: A think tank that he
ran in Norway, and he met
Yasser Arafat's brother, yeah.
>> EHLE: They had these
connections, and it was -- Yeah.
>> SHER: And then he went off to
do a...
>> MAYS: Sociological survey.
>> SHER: Yeah, a survey of Gaza.
And during that survey met all
the Israelis, so he was
positioned to know higher-ups
among the Palestinians and the
Israelis.
>> RIEDEL: And they had the
trust of both sides.
>> EHLE: They did, and it wasn't
ever a -- 'Cause it wasn't begun
to become the Oslo Accords,
obviously, or even become any
accords.
It was supposed to just be a
back channel that would feed the
official public negotiations.
>> SHER: And Norway's good for
theater because it's neural, so
you don't enter it from the
point of view of the Americans
or from the Palestinians, that
you have a neutral proxy for the
audience to enter the piece.
And Norway had a lot of
authority 'cause they had a lot
of money and they were giving
aid to both sides.
>> RIEDEL: That North Sea oil.
>> SHER: Yeah, they could push
both sides a little bit more
quietly because they had
authority in both cases.
>> ROGERS: One of the things I'd
always wanted to write a play
about is "Israel/Palestine."
But the answer was always,
"Well, you can't.
You can't."
And so, when I heard about this,
I thought, "Ah."
As Bart's saying, you come at it
this way, and then the play is
not about "he said, she said."
It's about, "Isn't it
fascinating how everything is
off-kilter and now we get to see
everybody's point of view?"
And the thing that was really
fascinating to me, which we
haven't even talked about, was
when I'm meeting with Terje and
then talking to the security
guards in Norway, the
Secret Service agents.
'Cause everyone in the play is
based on a real human being,
from the bottle washers to the
prime minister of Israel.
They're all my words, but it's
their names and their stories.
But I realized that they talked
about the rules, as Jefferson
was saying, where you have to
come, you have to eat together,
you have to talk together.
"Can't talk about the past.
We have to do this."
And I thought, "Oh, I completely
understand this.
This is how we rehearse a play.
These are rules to create
intimacy very swiftly.
Because we're gonna do difficult
things together, and we have to
trust each other."
And I thought, "Oh, I can write
a play about that because I
instinctively exactly know how
that happens."
>> RIEDEL: Hmm.
Have you met them?
>> SHER: Yes.
>> EHLE: We have, yeah.
>> MAYS: Yeah.
Yeah, Terje has been very much
in evidence all through the
process.
>> HASKINS: Now, are there
aspects of Terje that Jefferson
has that made you choose him for
the part, or is it just that
he's a wonderful actor?
>> SHER: Deep intelligence.
>> ROGERS: Yeah.
[ Laughter ]
>> SHER: You know, Terje is a
very unique character, and, in
all cases, we didn't try to make
the actors do imitations of the
people they were playing.
>> RIEDEL: Yeah.
>> SHER: We wanted to pick
people who were great actors and
then build a part with them,
which was why we had a rule with
Terje and Mona that they
couldn't see the play or have
any --
>> ROGERS: Read it or anything.
>> SHER: Couldn't read it.
They had no say over the play as
it developed.
And then they just came and saw
it.
Mona saw it for the first time
in opening last Thursday.
>> HASKINS: Really?
>> RIEDEL: Oh, so, had you met
Mona before?
>> EHLE: I met her for the first
time in October really briefly.
We did a photograph together.
But during the whole run in the
Newhouse, I'd never had any --
>> RIEDEL: Any curiosity,
though, as an actress playing
somebody who exists and get to
know them at all so there's
something about them that you
might draw on, or you're not
interested in that?
>> EHLE: Not really.
I watched what I could find of
her online, and, obviously, Bart
and J.T. know her.
But I was thinking, you know,
there are a couple of things
that -- little mannerisms and
stuff that I kind of, I guess,
by osmosis, took in from
watching her online.
But I don't think there's
anything that I actually ever
took from anything that J.T. or
Bart said about their personal
experience of her.
Because the things that are in
the play are...you know...
>> ROGERS: Yeah, it's a funny
thing because even -- more than
anything I've written where
it's, on one hand, deeply true,
but, other hand, completely me.
So people would say, "So did you
do that?"
I'm like, "I don't even really
know."
That's just -- That's Mona Juul
as filtered through a kid from
the Midwest who writes plays.
There's no -- So it becomes this
sort of odd alchemy.
I'm looking forward to a play
where everyone is either made up
or dead next time.
[ Laughter ]
>> MAYS: It is a disconcerting
thing as an actor, though,
playing someone who's actually
living.
>> ROGERS: I can only imagine.
>> MAYS: In "I Am My Own Wife,"
I play Charlotte von Mahlsdorf,
who died before it came to
Broadway, and I never met her.
And I always had...mixed
feelings about that, thinking,
"How wonderful it would've been
to meet her."
But now I think --
>> ROGERS: Not anymore.
>> MAYS: The distance -- He's
cured me of this.
[ Laughter ]
Aesthetic distance is necessary
and desirable, certainly.
Because as an actor, you want to
be like Jane Goodall with a
troop of chimpanzees and just
sort of sit there in their midst
and watch them, you know...
>> RIEDEL: Sounds like what a
director does.
[ Laughter ]
>> ROGERS: He's the Jane Goodall
of the American theater.
[ Laughter ]
>> HASKINS: These are very
rigorous roles.
You're onstage with a lot of
lines and a lot to do.
How long did it take you to get
yourselves in the place to have
all that stamina?
>> EHLE: I think we're just
getting there now.
>> MAYS: I think we're just
getting there.
[ Laughter ]
We're not kidding.
Actually, we talked with each
other the other night and said,
"Isn't it nice to kind of listen
to the play now?"
[ Laughter ]
What other people are saying.
[ Laughter ]
And -- But up until quite
recently, too, Jennifer and I
had little index cards in our
pockets to like -- "What happens
next?"
You know, "I know I'm supposed
to be entering with a bottle of
some sort and a couch."
>> EHLE: But now we're letting
that go, aren't we?
>> RIEDEL: Did you know they had
the cheat sheets?
>> SHER: Yes, of course.
There's 64 scenes, and it's,
like, constantly in motion, and
it was harder to do than any
musical I ever did at the
Beaumont -- or anywhere.
It looks very elegant and
simple, but it's incredibly
complicated, between video and
between cues and between switch
and switch and switch.
>> MAYS: And hitting your
marks.
>> SHER: And the transitions are
instant, so one scene ends --
bang -- right to the next one.
>> ROGERS: I mean, Bart has a
choreographic ability that no
one else in the American theater
does, and in devising the play,
having seen not just as an
audience member and now having
worked with Bart -- knowing what
he could do, then it was this
sort of challenge/liberation to
say, "Well, I'm going for broke.
'Cause I know whatever I do, he
can do."
So the first-week rehearsal, he
was not happy with me.
>> RIEDEL: [ Laughs ]
>> ROGERS: But what he did, he
far surpassed even what I
could've imagined because there
is a sweep to it that, in a way,
you're surprised -- Actually, I
think it's even more 'cause I
put some more scenes in -- more
than 64 scenes.
>> RIEDEL: Get the index cards
out again.
>> ROGERS: Really, it's so
complicated, and Bart has
created such a beautiful,
constant dance that the audience
just goes, "Wow."
>> RIEDEL: It puts me in mind of
one of my favorite writers,
David Hare, and with
"Stuff Happens" -- which I think
is a great play -- where you
take history but the sweep of
history and you humanize it.
>> ROGERS: Well, he's clearly
one of the writers that I've
grown up with and studied with a
magnifying glass, yeah.
So I appreciate any tangential
connection with him.
>> RIEDEL: And, of course, the
sadness of it all is that
there's so much hope, but we
know what happens in the end.
You almost get to the point
where it could've worked.
>> SHER: It's strange.
We did the play in June, and we
definitely had that reaction
from audiences then.
They would be like, "Yes, but it
didn't work out."
Now that we're where we are
politically now and everyone's
seemed to have lost all hope, I
find the audiences more hopeful
now than they were in June.
>> MAYS: Or desperate for hope.
>> SHER: They're desperate for
not necessarily that that
particular situation worked out,
but to see a story in which
people of great intelligence and
great compassion take risks to
solve a problem intelligently.
And it's a -- I find the
audience much more hopeful or
longing for their hope now than
they did when we did it six
months ago.
>> HASKINS: Yeah, we think that
it can happen again, right?
>> ROGERS: We hope.
As a diplomat said to me about
the play, he said, "You know, of
course it seems impossible now,
but it seemed impossible then."
>> RIEDEL: Yeah.
>> ROGERS: And it's always
impossible till it's not, and
the answer of how that -- that
change is never evident, and it
would never be in any way like
what happened with this back
channel.
It would be something that some
visionary will think of, and the
rest of us will go, "I never saw
that."
>> RIEDEL: I mean, look, in the
1950s, whoever thought that
Israel and Egypt would have a
peace treaty?
>> SHER: Absolutely no way,
yeah.
And people are longing for
stories of watching really
bright, intelligent people
competently sew together
difficult things and make them
work out.
>> ROGERS: And drink whiskey and
tell good jokes.
>> RIEDEL: That's it -- a lot of
drinking and -- It's like an
Edward Albee play -- "Oslo."
[ Laughing ] They're always
knocking back the bourbon.
Terrific new play, "Oslo," by
J.T. Rogers, at
Lincoln Center Theater, the
Vivian Beaumont, directed by
Bartlett Sher and starring
Jennifer Ehle and Jennif--
Jefferson Mays.
>> MAYS: Jennifer Mays.
>> RIEDEL: I knew I was gonna do
that!
[ Laughter ]
>> MAYS: I am honored.
>> RIEDEL: The two Jennifers.
>> HASKINS: Wonderful supporting
cast.
>> ROGERS: Oh, incredible.
>> RIEDEL: Very well done.
Thank for being our guests
today on "Theater Talk."
>> TOGETHER: Thank you.
>> MAN: I was nervous as hell to
meet those two -- first members
of the PLO I've ever been
face-to-face with.
>> TERJE: So, what do you think
of them?
>> MAN: Ah, not the demons I was
expecting.
This Ahmed, what do you call
him?
>> MONA: Abu Alaa.
>> MAN: I can do business with
this man.
By God, you can't imagine, to
have someone finally we can deal
with.
I have thought of this day
for...
years.
>> EVAN: ♪ On the outside,
always lookin' in ♪
♪ Will I ever be more than I've
always been? ♪
♪ 'Cause I'm tap, tap, tapping
on the glass ♪
♪ Waving through a window ♪
>> HASKINS: Last week, we were
here with the creatives of the
wonderful new musical
"Dear Evan Hansen" --
Benj Pasek, Justin Paul, who are
the composer/lyricists, and
librettist Steven Levenson.
And we wanted to talk to them a
little bit more about what they
have done, starting, Justin and
Benj, with one of your past
shows, "Dogfight."
>> GREEN: I saw "Dogfight" at
Second Stage, which is where
"Dear Evan Hansen" began, as
well.
It was kind of a brutal show.
Since we don't have the
librettist here with us, and the
librettist was Peter...
>> PAUL: Duchan.
>> GREEN: ...Duchan, would one
of you just sort of give us the
general story?
>> PAUL: Yeah.
It's the story of a group of
Marines in 1963 -- and this was
based on a true story -- that
come into San Francisco before
they're about to ship out
overseas.
This is sort of right before the
Vietnam conflict became sort of
a real conflict.
And they took part in a true
Marine tradition, which was
called a "dogfight," which is
where they would put in a bunch
of money to rent a venue and buy
food and alcohol and threw a big
party.
And the rest of the money was
prize money, and that prize
money went to whichever of the
Marines could find the least
attractive date to bring to the
party.
So it was sort of a very
horrible, you know, misogynistic
tradition that was a real one in
the --
>> GREEN: And is that what drew
you to it?
>> PAUL: [ Laughing ] That's
what drew me to it.
No, you know what?
What's interesting, what drew us
to it was a couple of things.
It was Lili Taylor's performance
in the film -- River Phoenix and
Lili Taylor.
Your heart sort of immediately
goes out to the character Rose.
She's sort of the main character
that Eddie, who's also the other
protagonist, asks out on a date.
And sort of throughout that
night, it's sort of the story of
these two unlikely people who
change each other's lives and
make an impression that's
indelible.
They end up returning to each
other many years later.
So it's sort of the story of how
this sort of young, lost,
confused, and therefore
"conditioned to be like other
guys" Marine has his mind and
world opened up a little bit by
a beautiful young woman who's
into folk music and the changing
times.
And he also brings her out of
her shell.
It's all inadvertent, but they
end up actually truly connecting
through that night.
>> HASKINS: But she's like a
nerd.
>> PAUL: Yeah, she's -- You
know, she works at her mother's
diner, and she doesn't have much
of a social life, has never been
on a date before -- you know,
not traditionally beautiful.
>> HASKINS: Begging to be
musicalized.
What song can you do for us from
"Dogfight"?
>> PASEK: Yeah, we're gonna do,
I guess, the opening number,
"Some Kinda Time."
But in examining it, I think it
was similar to "Evan Hansen."
Both of these -- The two
protagonists, the journey that
we follow, they're both very,
very flawed men who are lying.
And then things unravel, and
what has been wonderful about
both of them is examining
complicated characters and
getting to work in that way.
So this is where we meet the
young men, initially.
>> PAUL: They're charging into
the city and they're --
>> PASEK: They're, you know,
filled with testosterone...
>> PAUL: Hey!
>> PASEK: ...and excitement and
the night out.
They're gonna take San Francisco
over.
[ "Some Kinda Time" plays ]
>> PAUL: ♪ You better call the
cops and give 'em warning ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ Sound a siren ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ Bang the bell ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ A main Marine rolls
in this mornin' ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ On his way to raise
some hell ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ No sweepin' us out ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ Or keepin' us quiet ♪
>> BOTH: ♪ Try it ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ Through the
Golden Gate, across the water ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ See us comin' ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ Hit the dirt ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ Lock your door and
hide your daughter ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ Wouldn't want her
gettin' hurt ♪
>> BOTH: ♪ Goin' all in,
throwin' a dogfight ♪
♪ Big night ♪
♪ The party's on, we got till
dawn ♪
♪ We'll be having some kinda
time ♪
♪ Some kinda time ♪
♪ Livin' it large ♪
♪ Making noise because the boys
are now in charge ♪
♪ Some kinda time ♪
♪ Cut all our strings ♪
♪ We'll be kings for an
evenin' ♪
♪ Gonna be havin' some kinda
time ♪
>> PAUL: And it goes on.
>> GREEN: So, I just want to
bring you back into this for a
minute, Steven.
>> LEVENSON: Oh, please.
>> GREEN: Because I've always
wanted to ask --
>> PAUL: What did you think --
[ Laughter ]
>> GREEN: I've always wanted to
ask a librettist this.
Do you ever get envious of the
way that music just does your
job 10 times more quickly?
In other words, we just heard,
you know, a minute of a song.
We get what that scene is.
We understand who these people
are.
The music does so much work that
is so much harder to do in a
script.
>> LEVENSON: It's funny -- I had
an experience in D.C. at
Arena Stage -- where we did the
first production of
"Dear Evan Hansen" -- where I
was -- I don't -- I was standing
in the back of the theater, and
I think it was during
"Words Fail," which is another
incredible musical moment in the
show and an incredible acting
moment for Ben Platt.
And I remember listening to it
and feeling a certain joy in how
beautiful that song is and in
how evocative that performance
is of these characters that we
all created together and then a
certain sadness that I would
never really be able to do that.
It's a little bit like standing
outside of something and looking
in and feeling like -- That's
just something so miraculous,
the music.
>> HASKINS: But what you do is
miraculous.
>> LEVENSON: Oh, well, thank
you.
>> GREEN: And you're a miracle.
We're all a miracle.
>> HASKINS: As I hear this,
though, I want to lure you into
doing a little bit of a song
which I feel is sort of a
parallel in "Dear Evan Hansen,"
and that's "Sincerely, Me," my
favorite song.
But I hear the energy of that
song.
Could you do a little bit?
>> PAUL: Yeah, sure.
That sort of boyish, raucous
energy of -- Yes.
>> GREEN: But the situation
is -- Steven?
[ Laughter ]
>> LEVENSON: Yes, well, I'm so
bad at summing things up.
But this --
>> GREEN: That's why you're only
a book writer, okay.
>> LEVENSON: Exactly.
In this number, basically, Evan
has told this grieving family
that he and Connor were close
friends and would send e-mails
to one another.
And in this scene, we see some
of those e-mails, and Connor
actually steps forward.
And that's who we see when the
number begins, completely out of
context, is Connor, who has
passed away.
>> HASKINS: So two live boys and
a dead boy are doing this
fabulous number.
>> PASEK: Evan and his friend
Jared are creating these e-mails
together.
>> PAUL: We'll just sing a
chorus.
>> HASKINS: Just a chorus,
please.
>> PAUL: Yeah, okay, okay.
[ Singing indistinctly ]
♪ Turn it around ♪
>> BOTH: ♪ Wait and see ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ 'Cause all it takes
is a little ♪
>> BOTH: ♪ Reinvention ♪
♪ It's easy to change if you
give it your attention ♪
♪ All you gotta do is just
believe you can be who you wanna
be ♪
♪ Sincerely, me ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ My sister's hot ♪
>> PASEK: What the hell?
>> PAUL: We're back.
>> HASKINS: Bravo.
Now, one thing I want to mention
before you go is the wonderful
contribution of your director,
Michael Greif, because so
important to this musical, as we
said last week, is the social
media and the influence of
social media upon kids.
I mean, my assistant said to me,
"You don't understand what
social media is to these
high-school kids."
>> GREEN: My kids say that to me
all the time.
[ Laughter ]
>> HASKINS: And the way that
Michael Greif has integrated and
your designers have integrated
the social media is a whole
other fabulous level.
>> PASEK: It became a ninth
character.
>> HASKINS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's amazing.
But I will say that you two have
been nominated for the lyrics
for two songs for the
Academy Awards this year from
the wonderful "La La Land," and
I wonder if you would play us
out with one of them,
"City of Stars."
>> PAUL: Sure thing.
>> HASKINS: But before you go, I
want to thank you, Justin Paul,
Benj Pasek, Steven Levenson --
whose play...
>> LEVENSON: "If I Forget."
>> HASKINS: ...is at the
Roundabout...
>> LEVENSON: Aptly named.
[ Laughter ]
Yes, the reviews write
themselves.
>> HASKINS: ...for joining us on
"Theater Talk."
>> GREEN: I'll be the judge of
that.
>> LEVENSON: Oh!
>> HASKINS: But we want to say
you wrote "City of Stars" with
the musical director of
"La La Land," Justin Hurwitz.
>> PAUL: The composer,
Justin Hurwitz, yes, who wrote
the score for the film and --
>> HASKINS: Which came first in
"City of Stars" -- the lyrics or
the music?
>> BOTH: The music.
>> HASKINS: So, the Oscars will
have been over by the time we
air this, but I sure like this
song.
[ Laughter ]
>> PAUL: Thank you very much.
[ "City of Stars" plays ]
>> PASEK: ♪ The city of stars ♪
♪ Are you shining just for me? ♪
♪ City of stars ♪
♪ There's so much that I can't
see ♪
♪ Who knows? ♪
♪ Is this the start of something
wonderful and new? ♪
♪ Or one more dream that I
cannot make true? ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ City of stars ♪
♪ Just one thing everybody
wants ♪
♪ There in the bars ♪
♪ And through the smokescreen of
the crowded restaurants ♪
♪ It's love ♪
♪ Yes, all we're lookin' for is
love from someone else ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ A rush ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ A glance ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ A touch ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ A dance ♪
>> BOTH: ♪ A look in somebody's
eyes to light up the skies ♪
♪ To open the world and send it
reeling ♪
♪ A voice that says I'll be
here ♪
♪ And you'll be all right ♪
♪ I don't care if I know just
where I will go ♪
♪ As long as I got the crazy
feeling ♪
♪ A rat-tat-tat in my heart ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ I think I want it to
stay ♪
>> PAUL: ♪ City of stars ♪
>> BOTH: ♪ Are you shining just
for me? ♪
>> PASEK: ♪ City of stars ♪
♪ You've never shined so
brightly ♪
[ Applause ]
We messed that up terribly.
>> HASKINS: Thank you.
>> PAUL: We've never performed
that song.
>> HASKINS: Whoa!
>> PAUL: Yeah, yeah.
♪♪
>> HASKINS: Our thanks to the
Friends of "Theater Talk" for
their significant contribution
to this production.
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