allrighty guys it is quad man here today and I'm bringing you a nother
Dragonball discussion about Dragon Ball super and the torment of power and as
always if you guys have not somewhat caught up to where the spoilers are in
Dragon Ball super this video will contain spoilers and today we're gonna
be talking about kefla and Topo and we want to have a little bit of a power
scaling discussion as to whether or not we actually feel that kefla is stronger
than Topo now that we've actually seen the peak of topos abilities where he had
a fight against obviously Frieza Android 17 and Vegeta and we've seen him fight
in his regular state versus his god of destruction state and I also bought a
long Mario Jimmy also known as MJ to join me in on this discussion so MJ now
that we got all that stuff out of the way
what do you honestly think about this power skilling debate between topo and
kefla and who do you believe is stronger well this is actually kind of hard
because it's left very ambiguous to how strong topo actually is and we can get
into that in a minute but I want to also mention this funny enough Quinn before
you came to me with this topic I actually put out a poll just a fun poll
right to see who the people thought were stronger on my Twitter and funny enough
by a landslide with about a thousand volt votes a landslide topo1 and
logically that makes sense because what topo did in this woman to power bro he
showed off so many amazing feats that just going off of feats alone he should
be stronger than Kevlar but it's hard to say because if you remember Kevlar
fought a ultra instinct Goku and even though she was never able to land a hit
on him it's not like Goku was one shot in her or even you know remotely beating
her down you know horribly if he will in fact some people actually mentioned that
Kay flick could have actually injured or actually killed Goku towards the end
with her laser beams or enraged mode that she went into so it's very
ambiguous to who would actually win this but straight up to say it I still think
that if Topo were to fight Kayla one-on-one with Topal sekai if he's not
holding I feel a topo could probably cure her ko
her at least in my opinion right and what were some of the feats that you
wanted to bring up about topo being stronger than cable like what feats do
you think he demonstrated that puts him in another class well this is something
that uh myself Seth Chuck keel and have all talked about and those are people
who also do the power scaling videos and break down stuff that happen at Dragon
Ball super what we've talked about before is the fact that he seems to have
basically in some way shape or form warped the world of void and what I mean
by that is with his acai not only did he destroy the arena which was also a huge
feat he broked the entire arena in half he also changed the entire sky of the
war of the void and remember that is something that we had not seen ever
happened before unless the grand priest did and I'm not trying to say Topo
strong as a grand priest no I'm not trying to say that I'm just saying that
something that we haven't seen done by except for someone like the grand priest
and Topo did that and I was even acknowledged by the people on the
bleachers so that was sort of a scary thing to happen at that moment in time
this dude like changed the entire environment it seems of the world of
void which again that's a very very huge feat it goes along the lines of like
Jared and Goku how they shook the world of void and that was incredible in the
one-hour special because it's like the shakin infinity basically you know right
and I think that's a great point you bring up MJ and really if you think
about it the only way we could connect bolt opal and can flow would be Goku in
theory because you know Goku did briefly fight topal for that exhibition match in
Dragon Ball super and we also see that moment where Goku also fought against
carefully as the Super Saiyan blue and as an ultra insuk and I think if there
was one argument that we should bring up here MJ is that I think when you look at
Vegeta do how much stronger do you think Super Saiyan blue or Vegeta is than K
flaw because obviously you have to assume that Vegeta has to be stronger
than Cain fly in order to be you know obviously on par with fighting against a
Topol character and the one thing you said that I agree with is the fact that
topples destructive energy was like vanishing things which is a feat that a
lot of characters in Dragon Ball just don't seem to have so where do you
compare vegeta vs caitlyn all of this well this is hard
cuz we've seen Vegeta's new form and Vegeta's new form was going head to toe
against cheering with Goku so the series may be applying narrative Li that Goku
and kaio-ken times 20 plus Vegeta are their relative to each other so again
relative being relative I'm not trying to say that Goku would slap Vegeta in a
fight I'm not saying for Chynoweth slap Goku in a fight
they're basically fired and seek and the fighting in motion and they're doing
combinated attacks and at some points fighting is urine on their own holding
their own as a tag-team still the series seems to imply the relative to each
other and what I'm bringing up with this Quinn is that I'm not too sure if you
picked up on this but this is something that I've talked about what numerous
people including BG our friend BG and that's the fact that Goku seems to have
gotten stronger since the beginning of this tournament Goku with the kaio-ken
times 20 now Quinn it's obviously stronger than Goku using the kaio-ken
times 20 in the one-hour special because he has to be just look at what he's
doing with jiren he actually puts your Lincoln in a full-nelson at one point
bro like he had him in a full nelson and if you remember going back to the
one-hour special cheering was body you know goku but wouldn't you say that that
the holds goku jiren thing would be because demons holding back because
obviously at the ending of 126 jeering even said alright now it's time for me
to get serious and obviously that was implying obviously when you look at the
fight between Vegeta and jiren when Vegeta even told you and you're not
fighting me the same way you were fighting Kakarot so do you think that
could be Goku getting stronger or do you think that could be demons holding back
or both it could be a bit of both because we know jiren does hold back a
lot of his strength and we do know that he's kind of a character who complements
somebody as he sees fit so him being suppressed yes that's probably a part of
it too but also you got to remember once Vegeta transformed and him and Goku
attacked and seek he did mention that both of their attacks have gotten
sharper and quicker since the last time they fought so again it kind of goes to
that hole is Goku getting stronger we can't say for sure but the idea here is
that I think that's what the series may be hinting at and the series is trying
to hint that Vegeta in his new blue form is relative
if not most likely you could had CAD and stronger than the current super sample
go through what the crowd can times 20 and if that's the case Quinn if you
remember Kevlar or Kevlar she was compared to the Spirit Bomb and
going off of the statements in the one-hour special I guess the spirit bomb
was more of a threat than going with the cock in times 20 I guess going on for
the same logic from dynamic art so with that being the situation if Kevlar was
compared to a a blast that was stronger than you know one-hour special Goku with
the car became times 20 I think it's safe to say that she falls in that
ballpark with Vegeta probably edging her out and you also have to factor this in
but Gina got another power boost when he fought Toto so if the jidoka
vegeta had to get a powerup to fight topo I think that Lisa the fact that
maybe topo could you know again defeat caifa in a fight however though there
are some people are gonna disagree with this and I can definitely see why
because it's just so ambiguous it's not as easy as it was in Z you know and if I
were to you know add my two cents here I'm J I think there's only one counter
argument that we could really use for kaif love being stronger than tempo and
it would be the same thing that you said earlier because in theory if goku did
not get stronger throughout the tournament of power since the first time
he used you know super saiyan blue against kale and then obviously jiren
then you could say that catholic could be stronger because first of all super
has been very inconsistent because in one moment Goku Super Saiyan blue is
struggling against kale but then in another moment regular Super Saiyan God
go who's taking on kale and cauliflower individually at the same time by himself
so essentially Goku is a Super Saiyan blue is losing to kale one-on-one at
least for a brief point in time even if you say Goku could be stronger than what
he was displaying but then later on just the regular red Super Saiyan God is
manhandling both kale and colorful that's obviously was something there too
and also MJ the biggest point about all of this guys is that when you compare
Goku to Goku if Goku has stayed the same in power he was getting rekt as a super
saiyan blue against kefla but yet he's somewhat holding his
own against now for whatever reason so unless Goku
really did in fact get stronger theoretically kefla should be stronger
than what taupe was displaying even if topo is demonstrating his feats if go
whose power was equal to what he was using earlier when he was fighting
against Kepler because if you think about it Goku was using an abnormally
high amount of power to get past Kepler because if you think about our ultra
instinct is the strongest dingo who's done so far so if it requires an ultra
instinct to beat CAF law then you have to think Kevlar must be the only
character in the determinant power that's like right below jiren and then
right next to Tompa wouldn't you say yes I do agree with what you're saying I
want to bring up one more counter-argument kefla does seem to get
stronger as the fight progresses they kind of really abuse that whole saying
you know get stronger throughout the battle situation and the idea with caifa
is that and the particular action stated this people really got to go back and
watch that episode Broca's piccolo kind of played the role of Wiese and he kind
of wasn't explaining the goku vs k flah fight very similar to again with what
happened on Namek where he was the one they're raiding to us what was happening
piccolo states that it's like a never-ending cycle K flick gets stronger
as coke who gets stronger it's like they're monsters like what are these
people right so what that's the case if K flow were to come up against Topo and
yes I know she can't sense God ki but she could still feel the pressure of
topos overwhelming power if she could somewhat feel threatened or feel the
pressure of Topo she could probably raise her power to match topo if Topa
was indeed above her and as we saw in these episodes quinn topo seems very he
likes to finish his fights quickly so he did it against freeze or elise he
attempted to he was trying to do it against 17 and then obviously he was
about to literally KO vegeta until vegeta got a fairytale friendship
powerup so would that be it said it could really go either way bro like
would topo allow kevlar to match him if he was stronger than a you know dinner
or would he just finished her off quickly with one huge hook eye right and
and i think if there was one more thing we should add to the conclusion of this
mg we have to also think about this logically not just in terms of power but
who do you think would actually win a fight and I do think
Plus overconfidence combined with the fact that Topal has like god of
destruction energy that can vaporize things tells me that if this fight was
not in a tournament setting I think Topo would win like for sure I can see that
happening if you really wanted to say a flu is stronger which I said I can't
really disagree with you because it's ambiguous so if you wanted to seek a flu
was stronger then I still could see Topol winning the fight not only because
of his god destruction energy but he also seems to be more well pronounced in
combat because if you remember one thing that caught K Fleur was she mentioned oh
you can't dodge a mid-air and Goku be the genius fighter that he is found a
way to dodge her blasts without using flight and to take her out so when it
comes to also being a martial artist and being a trained fighter remember he was
trained by margarita I could definitely see him pulling a win but ultimately
guys that's been our discussion as to who we think is stronger between topo
and kefla my final take is that obviously I think Kevlar should be
stronger in terms of how she is in terms of just raw power and the theoretical
power scaling but I think topo would want to find the same thing goes for MJ
but let us know what you think in the comment section below as to who you
think is actually stronger and don't just tell us why you think one character
stronger let us know why like what's your reasoning your power skilling
evidence you know all of your thought processes and going to who you actually
think is strong and I'd also like to thank Mario Jimmy also known as MJ for
hopping on this video thanks bro no problem man - always a pleasure to be
here all righty so with everything else said please remember to rate comment and
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