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>> Rosemary: ON THIS TUESDAY
NIGHT, FACEBOOK, PERSONAL DATA
AND ELECTION CAMPAIGNING.
THE POTENT NEW MIX WITH CANADIAN
CONNECTIONS.
FRESH ALLEGATIONS FROM
WHISTLEBLOWER CHRIS WILEY, THIS
TIME TO BRITISH M.P.s.
PLUS MORE ON THE WORK OF
B.C.-BASED AGGREGATE I.Q.
WE'VE GOT THE STORY FROM THE
PERSONAL TO THE POLITICAL.
>> Andrew: ALSO TONIGHT
RUSSIANS ARE ANGRY OVER THAT
DEVASTATING MALL FIRE AND THEY
TURN ON THEIR LEADERS.
>> Ian: AND AS CANADA'S GARBAGE
PROBLEM KEEPS PILING UP WE
LAUNCH A SERIES ON SOLUTIONS.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>> Rosemary: A CANADIAN
WHISTLEBLOWER IS WHIPPING UP
INTERNATIONAL CONTROVERSY BY
GIVING AN
INSIDER'S VIEW OF HOW PERSONAL
ONLINE DATA IS EXPLOITED.
DATA IS PROVIDED BY BILLIONS OF
SOCIAL MEDIA USERS, PROBABLY
INCLUDING MOST OF YOU.
CHRISTOPHER WILEY TESTIFIED
BEFORE A BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY
COMMITTEE TODAY RAISING MORE
SUSPICIONS ABOUT THE BREXIT
VOTE.
IN A MOMENT MARGARET EVANS WILL
LOOK AT THE TURMOIL IN THAT
COUNTRY AND SUSAN ORMISTON WILL
GET A DIAGNOSE I GUESS FOR
FACEBOOK AS IT STRUGGLES TO
REGAIN THE SHAKEN TRUST OF
MEMBERS.
BUT FIRST ADRIENNE ARSENAULT
DRILLS DOWN ON THE CANADIAN
COMPANY.
>> THIS IS A COMPANY THAT HAS
WORKED WITH HACKED MATERIAL,
RIGHT.
THIS IS A COMPANY THAT WILL SEND
OUT VIDEOS OF PEOPLE BEING
MURDERED TO INTIMIDATE VOTERS.
>> Rosemary: NOW AGGREGATE
I.Q. HAS DENIED BREAKING ANY
LAWS OR USING HACKED DATA BUT
ALLEGATIONS NOW REACH BEYOND
BRITAIN AND INTO OTHER COUNTRIES
AND ADRIENNE HAS BEEN GOING
THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS AND
INTERVIEWS AND HAS A SENSE FOR
US TONIGHT OF WHAT A.I.Q. DOES
AND WHERE.
>> Adrienne: WHEN CHRIS WILEY
SPOKE TO BRITISH
PARLIAMENTARIANS HE TESTIFIED
THAT AGGREGATE I.Q. AT THE HEART
OF KEY QUESTIONS IN THE U.K. WAS
INVOLVED IN OTHER VENTURES THAT
TO HIM ARE A PROBLEM.
THE ELECTION IN NIGERIA, MARCH
2015.
THE MOST EXPENSIVE ELECTION EVER
HELD ON THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA.
>> AGGREGATE I.Q. WAS HANDED
MATERIAL IN NIGERIA FROM
CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA TO
DISTRIBUTE ONLINE SO THAT THE
DISTRIBUTION OF INCREDIBLY
THREATENING AND VIOLENT VIDEO
CONTENT.
>> DARK, SCARY.
>> Reporter: THESE VIDEOS
SCARING VOTERS ABOUT THE DANGERS
COMING IF THE OPPOSITION
CANDIDATE BAHARI WON WHICH HOE
ULTIMATELY DID, BY THE WAY.
>> ANTI-ISLAMIC VIDEOS.
YOU KNOW, THAT A.I.Q.'S ROLE WAS
TO DISTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW, TO
VOTERS IN THOSE COUNTRIES WHICH
WOULD BE INCREDIBLY
INTIMIDATING, YOU KNOW, TO
VOTERS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
LITERALLY BURNED ALIVE ON YOUR
SCREEN.
>> Reporter: WILEY'S WRITTEN
TESTIMONY SAY THAT THOSE VIDEOS
WERE PULLED FOR BEING TOO
GRAPHIC.
SO HOW DID AGGREGATE I.Q. GET
INVOLVED?
WHAT DOES IT SAY TO THE
CONCERNS?
AGAIN TODAY WE REACHED OUT TO
THE COMPANY AND DID NOT HEAR
BACK.
BUT THINK OF IT AS A TOOLMAKER.
ONE OF ITS VICTORIA, B.C.,
ADDRESSES, EMPTY NOW, BUT NOT
LONG AFTER IT WAS STARTED IN
2013 THE POTENTIALLY 20 A.I.Q.
EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE BEEN BUSY
HERE WRITING CODES, APPS,
SOFTWARE THAT THE COMPANY BUILT
FOR S.C.L. AND USED, ACCORDING
TO THE DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY,
ON PROJECTS WORLDWIDE.
WHAT TOOLS?
RIPLINE, BUILT IN 2014, FOR
EXAMPLE, A WAY TO HARN ESDZ THE
POTENTIAL SUPPORTERS ONLINE.
NAMED AFTER THE TOWN WHERE THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS BORN.
THAT APPLICATION USED BY TED
CRUZ IN THE U.S. PRIMARIES AND
TEXAS GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT.
DOCUMENTS SHOW THAT A.I.Q.
APPLYING ITS DATA TOOLS TO AN
ELECTION IN TRIN DADE AND TOBAGO
IN 2015.
[Applause]
A.I.Q. WENT TO WORK FOR THE B.C.
LIBERAL LEADERSHIP HOPEFUL TODD
STONE.
THE COMPANY BLAMED BY STONE'S
CAMP WHEN MORE THAN A THOUSAND
NEW MEMBERSHIPS WERE TOSSED OUT
FOR BEING IMPROPER.
NOW NEW INDICATIONS A.I.Q. IS
CONNECTED WITH THE UPCOMING
UKRAINIAN ELECTION.
IT BUILT A NEW APP CONSIDERED A
SOCIAL NETWORKING APP CALLED
EXNOVA, TO BUILD MORE SUPPORTERS
AND TO BUILD UP CONTACTS.
WHAT STARTED AS A SMALL B.C.
COMPANY NOW HAS A WIDE REACH.
THE SORT OF WORK THAT IS COVETED
AND LEGAL AND JUST WHAT
ELECTIONS AND CAMPAIGNS LOOK
LIKE NOW.
>> Rosemary: THIS IS AN ERA
WHEN WHISTLEBLOWERS ARE
IMPORTANT AND PEOPLE NEED TO
FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEIR
INFORMATION IS PROTECTED AND WE
HAVE AN ONLINE LOCATION WHERE
YOU CAN CONFIDENTIALLY REACH OUT
TO OUR CBC JOURNALISTS, IT'S
CALLED SECURE DROP.
IT'S CREDITED WITH PROTECTING
SOURCES ON A NUMBER OF NEWS
STORIES.
WHAT IT IS AND HOW YOU CAN USE
IT FIND IT AT SECUREDROP.CBC.CA.
>>> THE MAN AT THE CENTRE OF
THIS, CHRISTOPHER WILEY,
UNRAVELLED CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA'S
TANGLED WEB OF OPERATIONS BEFORE
A COMMITTEE OF BRITAIN'S
PARLIAMENT TODAY, DETAILING JUST
HOW THE FIRM AND ITS PROXIES
TARGETED SWING VOTERS IN THE
TIGHTLY FOUGHT BREXIT VOTE.
AS MARGARET EVANS EXPLAINS, IT
WAS A MASTER CLASS IN DIGITAL
MANIPULATION AND CHEATING.
>> Reporter: ON TO THE UNITED
KINGDOM'S FRACTURED POLITICAL
LANDSCAPE SO BITTERLY GUIDED BY
THE
BREXIT REFERENDUM THERE COMES
ANOTHER STORM.
THIS TIME IN THE FORM OF
CANADIAN WHISTLEBLOWER CHRIS
WILEY.
DRAWING PAPARAZZI-LIKE ATTENTION
EVER SINCE HIS ALLEGATIONS
SURFACED ABOUT CAMBRIDGE
ANALYTICA AND THE DATA IT TOOK
FROM MILLIONS OF FACEBOOK USERS
WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME
CHRISTOPHER WILEY...
>> Reporter: TODAY WILEY TOLD
A BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY
COMMITTEE THAT THE COUNTRY'S
OFFICIAL "LEAVE" CAMPAIGN HAD
HAD ACCESS TO THAT FACEBOOK DATA
THROUGH THE FIRM THAT HE
DESCRIBES AS ANALYTICA'S
CANADIAN FRANCHISE.
>> AGGREGATE I.Q. WAS JUST USED
AS A PROXY MONEY-LAUNDERING
VEHICLE.
>> Reporter: WILEY REPEATED
CLAIMS THAT THE MAIN GROUP
ADVOCATING FOR BRITAIN TO LEAVE
THE E.U., "VOTE LEAVE",
CIRCUMVENTED THE ELECTION
SPENDING LIMITS BY DONATING
MONEY TO ANOTHER "LEAVE"
CAMPAIGN WHICH THEN BOUGHT
SERVICES FROM AGGREGATE I.Q.
ALSO WORKING FOR "VOTE LEAVE."
IN OTHER WORDS, HE SAYS, THEY
CHEATED.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S COMPLETELY
REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THERE
COULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT
OUTCOME IN THE REFERENDUM, YOU
KNOW, HAD THERE NOT BEEN IN MY
VIEW CHEATING.
>> Reporter: FOR THOSE HERE
STILL HOPING THAT BRITAIN CAN
PULL ITSELF BACK FROM THE
PRECIPICE AND STAY IN THE E.U.
IT'S A POTENTIAL LIFELINE, BUT
ONLY JUST.
IF THERE HAS BEEN SOME KIND OF
ELECTION FRAUD, THE RESULT WOULD
LIKELY BE A FINE, SAY THE
EXPERTS, AND NOT AN AVENUE TO A
REFERENDUM RE-RUN UNLESS IT
COMES FROM A POLITICAL GROUND
SWELL.
>> IT WOULD GIVE I THINK MORE
POWER TO THOSE WHO CALL FOR THE
SECOND REFERENDUM.
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHAT
PRO-E.U. CAMPAIGNERS ARE HOPING
FOR.
>> THE MARGIN WAS SO TIGHT AND
IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST EXAMPLES
OF THE REALLY WIDESPREAD USED OF
SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNING IN OUR
COUNTRY.
>> WE NOW COME TO THE EMERGENCY
DEBATE...
>> Reporter: BUT THE BENCHES
IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS WERE
MOSTLY EMPTY TODAY DURING AN
EMERGENCY DEBATE ON THE
ALLEGATIONS.
THE SIGN PERHAPS THAT THE STORM
MAY BE SHORT LIVED OR PERHAPS A
STRATEGY BY THE CONSERVATIVE
GOVERNMENT OF "HEAR NO EVIL, SEE
NO EVIL."
MARGARET EVANS, CBC NEWS,
LONDON.
>> Rosemary: OF COURSE, IAN,
IT'S NOT JUST GOVERNMENTS
WATCHING THE DEVELOPMENTS.
>> Ian: A LOT OF FACEBOOK USERS
AND MOST OF US ARE WONDERING
ABOUT THE IMPACT.
HOW SAFE IS OUR PERSONAL
INFORMATION?
ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ATLANTIC
PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS
FROM THE FACEBOOK C.E.O. MARK
ZUCKERBERG.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S ASTONISHING
THAT MARK ZUCKERBERG IS NOT
PREPARED TO SUBMIT HIMSELF FOR
QUESTIONING BEFORE THE
PARLIAMENTARY CONGRESSIONAL
HEARING.
I THINK THAT HE SHOULD THINK
AGAIN IF HE HAS CARE FOR PEOPLE
WHO USE HIS COMPANY'S SERVICES.
>> Ian: THEY HAVE REACHED AN
OMINOUS CROSSROADS AND TONIGHT
SUSAN ORMISTON GETS A VALUABLE
PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT COULD HAPPEN
NEXT FROM A EUROPEAN MAGAZINE
EDITOR AND THE AUTHOR WHO HAS
WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ON
TECHNOLOGY NETWORKS.
>> Reporter: THEY ARE UNDER
FIRE FOR NOT PROTECTING THEIR
USERS' DATA.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION, IS THIS A
TIPPING POINT FOR FACEBOOK?
>> I THINK THAT IT'S A TIPPING
POINT FOR THE WILD WEST PERIOD
OF THE EARLY DIGITAL WORLD THAT
WE'RE SEEING CURRENTLY.
I THINK THAT THIS IS THE
BEGINNING OF A PERIOD WHERE WE
WILL TALK ABOUT OWNING OUR DATA.
THIS IS A NEW UNDERSTANDING THAT
THE DATA IS ACTUALLY PART OF US
AND IT CAN BE USED AGAINST US
AND IT CAN BE USED FOR MAKING
SUCH PROFIT FROM IT THAT WE
SHOULD HAVE A SHARE IN THAT AND
WE SHOULD ALSO CONTROL IT.
>> WE HAVE A BASIC
RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT
PEOPLE'S DATA AND IF WE CAN'T DO
THAT THEN WE DON'T DESERVE TO
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE
PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: ZUCKERBERG HAS
SAID FACEBOOK IS MAKING ABOUT 15
CHANGES TO THE PLATFORM TO
FURTHER RESTRICT DATA FROM
ABUSE.
AND THE COMPANY WILL BE COMING
OUT WITH BIG ANNOUNCEMENTS HE
SAYS THIS YEAR ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY AND CONTENT.
SO THE NEXT QUESTION -- HOW
CRITICAL IS THIS MOMENT FOR MARK
ZUCKERBERG?
>> IT'S VERY MUCH THE DECISIVE
MOMENT FOR MARK ZUCKERBERG.
THIS IS REALLY ABOUT THE PEOPLE
FEEL THE LACK OF CONTROL THEY
HAVE AND FEEL HOW EASILY THEY'VE
BEEN SOLD TO OUTSIDE FORCES AND
HOW NOBODY IS ACTUALLY REALLY
CARING FOR THEM.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT SHARING IS
NOT CARING ANYMORE.
IT'S A FORM OF EXPLOITATION.
>> Reporter: DATA BREACHES
AREN'T NEW AND THEY USUALLY
RESULT IN CALLS FOR MORE
REGULATION.
>> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE
QUESTION IS MORE WHAT IS THE
RIGHT REGULATION RATHER THAN YES
OR NO SHOULD IT BE REGULATED.
>> Reporter: BUT NEW RULES ARE
LIKE PATCHES AND UNTIL THE NEXT
BREACH OCCURS.
INSTEAD, WHAT DOES THE FUTURE OF
YOUR DATA LOOK LIKE?
>> PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE WILL
TECHNICALLY BE ABLE TO CONTROL
THE FLOWS OF DATA.
AS TECHNOLOGY IS PROBABLY LIKE A
CHAIN WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE MY
DATA IS ACTUALLY GOING TO, WHO
IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY HOLDING IT
AND, THUS, YOU'RE ABLE TO SAY,
NO, I'M NOT ALLOWING TO SEND IT
TO THAT PLACE AND THAT PERSON
LIKE CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA THAT
CAN USE IT FOR THEIR PURPOSES.
IN THE FUTURE THAT I'M IMAGINING
WE ARE ACTUALLY WRITING OUR OWN
TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND THOSE
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO USE OUR DATA
HAVE TO EITHER ACCEPT IT OR NOT
BE ABLE TO USE IT.
>> Ian: SUSAN, BOTH THE U.K. AND
THE U.S. LEGISLATORS WOULD LIKE
TO HEAR FROM ZUCKERBERG.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN?
>> Susan: WELL, SILICON VALLEY
EXECUTIVES HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT
TO APPEAR BEFORE LEGISLATIVE
COMMITTEES AND FACEBOOK TOLD THE
U.K. THAT ZUCKERBERG WON'T GO
THERE AND THEY'LL SEND A SENIOR
EXECUTIVE BUT IT APPEARS TONIGHT
FROM SEVERAL U.S. MEDIA SOURCES
THAT FACEBOOK IS NEGOTIATING FOR
ZUCKERBERG TO TESTIFY BEFORE A
U.S. CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE IN
EARLY APRIL LIKELY.
THEY'RE JUST DECIDING WHICH
COMMITTEE -- HE'S BEEN INVITED
TO THREE -- AND WHEN AND THE
HEADS OF TWITTER AND GOOGLE HAVE
ALSO BEEN ASKED TO APPEAR.
>> Ian: THANKS, SUSAN.
>> Susan: YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> Andrew: LOTS TALK MARIJUANA
AND MONEY.
QUÉBEC TABLED ITS BUDGET TODAY,
SO DID NEWFOUNDLAND AND
LABRADOR.
THEIR ECONOMIES ARE VERY
DIFFERENT BUT WHAT ALL PROVINCES
HAVE IN COMMON FOR THE UPCOMING
YEAR THAT THEY NEVER HAD BEFORE
IS MORE CASH COMING IN FROM
CANNIBAS.
LEGALIZATION IS JUST AROUND THE
CORNER BUT AS CATHERINE CULLEN
TELLS US THERE ARE COSTS TOO.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A
$350 BILLION WORLDWIDE INDUSTRY
AND TODAY CANADA IS AT THE
FOREFRONT AND WITH NO SIGNS OF
SLOWING DOWN.
>> Reporter: BUT THE POT
PROFIT STORY IS A BIT MORE
COMPLICATED FOR GOVERNMENT.
>> WE HAVE TO BUDGET -- IF WE
DIDN'T BUDGET FOR ANY REVENUE
PEOPLE WOULD BE QUESTIONING
THAT.
>> Reporter: NOVA SCOTIA
EXPECTS TO BRING IN
$10.4 MILLION THIS FISCAL YEAR
IN POT REVENUE.
A BIG CHUNK OF THE PROVINCE'S
BUDGETARY SURPLUS.
BUT THERE ARE ALSO EXPENSES LIKE
TRAINING POLICE OFFICERS TO USE
NEW ROADSIDE DRUG TESTS.
>> WE CONTINUE TO MAKE THE
OPTIONS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE
WILL BE A COST
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
>> Reporter: ALBERTA IS PRETTY
SURE THAT THE COST WILL OUTWEIGH
THE REVENUES AT FIRST.
>> I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR THE
FIRST COUPLE YEARS WE'RE NOT
SEEING THIS AS A REVENUE
GENERATOR AT THE GOVERNMENT OF
ALBERTA, WE'RE SEEING IT AS A
NET LOSS.
>> Reporter: NEWFOUNDLAND AND
LABRADOR EXPECTS JUST OVER
$2 MILLION IN CANNIBAS REVENUE
THIS YEAR WITH NO TALK OF
RELATED EXPENSES.
IN COLORADO WHERE POT SALES HAVE
BEEN LEGAL SINCE 2014, REVENUE
GOES TO PROJECTS LIKE BUILDING
NEW SCHOOLS AND DRUG TREATMENT.
>> WE ADDED MONEY TO DO HOUSING
FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE, SO TAKING
MONEY THAT WAS ONCE, YOU KNOW,
KIND OF ILLEGAL -- FROM THE
ILLEGAL MARKET INTO THE
REGULATED MARKET NOW AND TRYING
TO ADDRESS ANOTHER SOCIAL ILL.
>> Reporter: THAT'S CLOSER TO
QUÉBEC'S APPROACH.
TODAY'S BUDGET ANNOUNCED THE
CREATION OF A CANNIBAS SALES
REVENUE FUND WHICH WILL FINANCE
DRUG-RELATED PREVENTION AND
MONITORING ACTIVITIES.
>> I THINK WE'RE RIGHT TO BE
CAUTIOUS...
>> Reporter: THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT'S POINT
MAN ON POT SAYS THAT IT COULD BE
A POSSIBILITY IN FUTURE BUT
RIGHT NOW HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
ARE SPENT TO SET UP A
RESPONSIBLE SYSTEM.
>> WE'VE ALWAYS SAID WHEN WE GOT
INTO THIS IT WASN'T ABOUT
MONEY -- IT WAS ABOUT REDUCING
SOCIAL AND HEALTH HARMS.
>> Reporter: SOMETHING TO
WATCH AS PROFITS START TO GROW.
CATHERINE CULLEN, CBC NEWS,
OTTAWA.
>> Andrew: WHILE OTTAWA IS
SETTING THE BASELINE FOR
CANNIBAS LAWS IT'S STILL UP TO
PROVINCES AND THE TERRITORIES TO
DECIDE SPECIFICS.
WE ARE
GRADUALLY GETTING MORE CLARITY
ON WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND.
MANY PROVINCES, FOR EXAMPLE,
HAVE SET THE MINIMUM AGE OF
CONSUMPTION AT 19.
THAT INCLUDES B.C. AND ONTARIO.
BUT IN ALBERTA AND QUÉBEC IT
WILL BE 18 THIS MATCHES THE
LEGAL DRINKING AGE THERE.
AND QUÉBEC IS BANNING HOMEGROWN
MARIJUANA, MANITOBA TOO, THOUGH
THE FEDERAL LEGISLATION WOULD
ALLOW UP TO FOUR PLANTS PER
HOUSEHOLD.
THE PROVINCE'S RULES TAKE
PRECEDENT.
IN NEW BRUNSWICK POT WOULD HAVE
TO BE KEPT IN A LOCKED CONTAINER
OR BEHIND A LOCKED DOOR.
>> Ian: HERE'S WHAT ELSE WE'RE
WORKING ON TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL"...
>>> THOUSANDS OF RUSSIANS WERE
IN THE STREETS CONDEMNING THE
OFFICIALS OVER THE
FIRE THAT KILLED MORE THAN 60
PEOPLE TRAPPED INSIDE A MALL.
WE'LL TAKE YOU THERE.
>> Andrew: PLUS, WHY DO
CANADIANS PAY SO MUCH FOR
INTERNET?
IT MIGHT BE LESS ABOUT HOW THE
COUNTRY IS WIRED AND MORE ABOUT
HOW OUR BRAINS ARE WIRED.
>> Rosemary: AND YOU MIGHT
THINK THAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT
THING BUT WHERE DOES YOUR
RECYCLING GO AFTER YOU PUT IT IN
THAT BLUE BIN?
WE BEGIN A NEW CBC SERIES
"RETHINKING -- RECYCLING"
BECAUSE AS IT TURNS OUT ALL OF
THOSE GOOD INTENTIONS ARE PILING
UP.
>> Reporter: HERE IN
COLCHESTER COUNTY THEY HAVE
ACCUMULATED SO MUCH PLASTIC THAT
THE
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>> Andrew: TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL" A CALGARY POLICE
OFFICER IS IN STABLE CONDITION
IN HOSPITAL AFTER BEING SHOT
MULTIPLE TIMES WHILE ON DUTY.
IT HAPPENED WHEN POLICE
RESPONDED TO REPORTS OF AN ARMED
SUSPECT ON A CRIME SPREE.
THEY SAY THAT HE OPENED FIRE AND
THEN BARRICADED HIMSELF INSIDE
OF A GARAGE.
POLICE TOLD EVERYONE IN THE AREA
TO GET INDOORS AND AWAY FROM ANY
WINDOWS.
>> HE TOLD ME GET IN YOUR HOUSE,
YOU NEED TO GET IN YOUR HOUSE.
MY WIFE WAS SCARED OUT OF HER
MIND.
I WAS OKAY, TRYING TO KEEP IT
TOGETHER FOR MY LITTLE BOY.
>> Andrew: SUDDENLY THE GARAGE
THAT THE SUSPECT WAS IN CAUGHT
FIRE.
WHEN POLICE MADE THEIR WAY IN
THEY FOUND HIM DEAD.
AN INVESTIGATION IS NOW
UNDERWAY.
>>> WE HAVE DEVELOPING NEWS OUT
OF CHINA.
THOSE RUMOURS ABOUT KIM YOUNG
UNVISITTING
BEIJING, THEY WERE TRUE.
ACCORDING TO THE CHINESE
GOVERNMENT HE WAS THERE FOR
THREE DAYS MEETING WITH
PRESIDENT XI JINPING.
CBC ASIA CORRESPONDENT SASA
PETRICIC IS JOINING US WITH
MORE.
SO, SASA, WHAT DO WE KNOW MORE
ABOUT THIS VISIT?
>> Reporter: WELL, WHEN THE
ANNOUNCEMENT CAME THIS WAS
DESCRIBED AS AN UNOFFICIAL VISIT
BUT IT CERTAINLY HAD ALL OF THE
TRAPPINGS OF A STATE VISIT HERE.
WE HAD A BANQUET IN THE GREAT
HALL OF THE PEOPLE.
WE HAD HANDSHAKING IN FRONT OF
CAMERAS.
WE HAD SERENE TALKS IN THE
BACKROOMS BETWEEN THE LEADER OF
CHINA AND KIM JONG-un, THE
RECLUSIVE LEADER OF NORTH KOREA.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS
DIFFERENT HERE AND IT WAS A
MAJOR ONE WAS THE CLOUD OF
SECRECY THAT ACTUALLY THEY TRIED
TO THROW OVER ALL OF THIS.
IT WAS A THROWBACK TO A WHOLE
OTHER ERA.
HE ARRIVED ON A TRAIN AND NOBODY
WOULD TALK ABOUT WHO WAS ON THE
TRAIN, IT WAS A MYSTERY.
THERE WERE PEOPLE SPOTTING
MOTORCADES ALL OVER THE CITY
WITH SPECULATION.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NORTH
KOREAN LEADERS HAVE DONE IN THE
PAST FOR THREE GENERATIONS NOW
AND IT CONTINUED.
>> Andrew: AND, SASA, THE
SECRECY IS ONE THING BUT TALK TO
ME ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF
THIS TRIP.
>> Reporter: WELL, ASIDE FROM
THE FACT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE
NORTH KOREA WANTS TO IMPROVE
RELATIONS WITH CHINA WHICH HAVE
BEEN FRAYED OVER NORTH KOREA'S
NUCLEAR MISSILE PROGRAMME, THE
SIGNIFICANCE IS THAT KIM
JONG-un APPARENTLY TOLD THE
CHINESE LEADER THAT HE IS GOING
TO GO AHEAD WITH MEETING WITH
DONALD TRUMP, THE U.S.
PRESIDENT.
THAT HE WILL TALK ABOUT
DENUCLEARIZATION.
THAT THAT IS ON THE TABLE.
AND THAT THIS IS REALLY WHAT IT
LOOKS LIKE WHICH IS A PATH
TOWARD PEACE.
THAT HE'S WILLING TO TALK ABOUT
PEACE AND GO FURTHER THAN
PERHAPS ANYBODY ANTICIPATED JUST
A FEW MONTHS AGO.
>> Andrew: OKAY, SASA PETRICIC
IN BEIJING, THANKS.
>> Ian: PROTESTERS IN MOSCOW
WERE CALLING FOR THE RESIGNATION
OF VLADIMIR PUTIN.
A RARE SHOW OF PUBLIC ANGER
TOWARDS THE PRESIDENT IN THE
WAKE OF THAT HORRIFIC MALL FIRE
IN SIBERIA.
IN FACT, TODAY PEOPLE ACROSS
RUSSIA SAID THAT THEY ARE FED UP
WITH THE KINDS OF BRIBES AND
CORRUPTION THAT ALLOWED THE
MALL'S OWNERS TO SKIP SAFETY
INSPECTIONS.
AS CHRIS BROWN TELLS US THE
CALLS FOR CHANGE WERE LOUDEST IN
THE CITY WHERE THE FIRE TOOK
PLACE.
>> Reporter: FOR 10 LONG HOURS
IN KEMEROVO TODAY THOUSANDS
POURED OUT THEIR GRIEF AND RAGE
INTO A PROTEST IN THE CITY'S
MAIN SQUARE.
THE GOVERNMENT IS TO BLAME, IT
CREATED THIS SITUATION, SAID THE
MAN WITH THE MICROPHONE.
31-YEAR-OLD IGOR VOSTRIKOV WHOSE
PAIN MUST BE UNBEARABLE.
WHILE HE WAS OUT OF TOWN HIS
THREE YOUNG CHILDREN AGED 7, 5
AND 2 AND HIS WIFE AND HIS
SISTER WENT TO THE MOVIES
TOGETHER AND THEY WERE TRAPPED
WHEN THE FIRE STARTED.
ALL PERISHED.
VOSTRIKOV BLAMED THE CORRUPT
OFFICIALS AT ALL LEVELS.
"EVERY OFFICIAL DREAMS TO STEAL
LIKE PUTIN.
APPOINT A SCAPEGOAT AND CLOSE
THE TOPIC."
SUCH A PERSONAL ATTACK ON
RUSSIA'S PRESIDENT IS EXTREMELY
UNUSUAL.
OFTEN IT'S LOWER LEVEL OFFICIALS
WHO END UP BEING BLAMED FOR
CALAMITIES.
TODAY PUTIN WAS IN KEMEROVA
VISITING THE VICTIMS IN THE
HOSPITAL.
STATE TV SHOWED PLENTY OF THOSE
MOMENTS AND NOTABLY IGNORED THE
THOUSANDS OUTSIDE CALLING FOR
HEADS TO ROLL, EVEN HIS.
THE INVESTIGATION HAS ALREADY
POINTED TO CRITICAL FAILURES,
NON-FUNCTIONING ALARMS, SAFETY
INSPECTIONS LONG OUT OF DATE,
AND IN TWO CINEMAS DOORS THAT
HAD BEEN LOCKED TO KEEP PEOPLE
OUT WHO DIDN'T HAVE TICKETS.
IT WAS SO HOT EVERYTHING MELTED,
SAID THE FIREFIGHTER, CONFIRMING
THOSE TRAPPED DIDN'T HAVE A
CHANCE.
THE SHOPPING MALL FIRE HAS
PROFOUNDLY AFFECTED SO MANY
RUSSIANS.
WE'RE IN DOWNTOWN MOSCOW AND
THIS BUILDING IS THE OFFICIAL
CONSULATE, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE
CITY OF KEMEROVO IN MOSCOW AND
ARE THE LAST TWO DAYS WE HAVE
SEEN PEOPLE COME AND NOW LEAVING
A HUGE MEMORIAL OF FLOWERS AND
STUFFED ANIMALS.
JUST COMING TOGETHER TO SHARE
THEIR SADNESS.
16-YEAR-OLD LIZA WAS IN TEARS.
>> CORRUPTION IS IN RUSSIA AND
IT'S NORMAL FOR OUR GOVERNMENT,
YEAH, I THINK THAT IT'S JUST A
MESS.
>> Reporter: TERRIBLE?
>> TERRIBLE, YES.
>> Reporter: ADDING TO THE
ANGER ARE THE PERSISTENT CLAIMS
BY RELATIVES THAT PEOPLE ARE
STILL UNACCOUNTED FOR AND THE
AUTHORITIES ARE TRYING TO COVER
UP THE TRUE EXTENT OF THE
TRAGEDY.
THE OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL OF 64
DEAD INCLUDING 41 CHILDREN COULD
REALLY BE MUCH WORSE.
CHRIS BROWN, CBC NEWS, MOSCOW.
>> Ian: SO FAR FIVE PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN ARRESTED IN CONNECTION WITH
THIS FIRE INCLUDING A DIRECTOR
FROM THE COMPANY WHICH OWNS THE
MALL.
WEDNESDAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF
MOURNING FOR THE VICTIMS.
>> Andrew: STILL AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL"... WHERE DO THE
CONTENTS OF YOUR BLUE BOX WIND
UP?
WE BEGIN A CBC NEWS SPECIAL
SERIES INTO THE WINDING GLOBAL
PATH OF YOUR RECYCLING.
>> Rosemary: PLUS, COMPLAINING
ABOUT YOUR INTERNET BILL IS
ABOUT AS CANADIAN AS COMPLAINING
ABOUT THE WEATHER BUT IT TURNS
OUT THAT PAYING MORE MIGHT ALSO
BE A CANADIAN THING.
>> CANADIANS ARE ALSO MORE VALUE
CONSCIOUS AND LESS PRICE
SENSITIVE COMPARED TO AMERICANS.
>> THEY RAISE THE PRICE $5, SO
WHAT CAN I DO?
(*)
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>> Andrew: THE ONTARIO
LIBERALS ARE SET TO UNVEIL THEIR
PRE-ELECTION BUDGET TOMORROW BUT
TODAY WE GOT A GLIMPSE OF ONE
BIG TICKET IDEA THAT THEY'RE
ROLLING OUT -- A PLAN TO MAKE
CHILD CARE FREE.
BUT IS THIS A PLAY FOR PARENTS
OR FOR POLITICAL POINTS?
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS TOOK A CLOSER
LOOK.
>> Reporter: PUSHUPS?
NO PROBLEM.
FINDING AN AFFORDABLE DAYCARE
SPOT?
NOW THAT'S OFTEN AN EXERCISE IN
FRUSTRATION.
MEG GINGRICH HAD HER BABY ON
WAIT LISTS BEFORE HE WAS BORN
AND THE GOING BACK TO WORK CLOCK
IS TICKING.
>> UNIVERSAL NOT-FOR-PROFIT
CHILD CARE FROM A YOUNG AGE, IT
WOULD BUT THIS WOULD NOT
CONVINCE ME.
>> Reporter: NOT CONVINCED
THAT
THE PROMISE OF FREE CHILD CARE
WHEN THESE LITTLE GUYS TURN 2
1/2 IS MORE THAN JUST THAT -- A
PROMISE.
>> OUR PLAN TO MAKE PRE-SCHOOL
CHILD CARE ABSOLUTELY FREE FOR
KIDS IN ONTARIO...
>> Reporter: TODAY'S
ANNOUNCEMENT IS JUST THE LATEST
BIG TICKET OFFERING FROM
ONTARIO'S LIBERALS.
>> $2.1 BILLION IN NEW FUNDING
FOR PROGRAMS TO RESHAPE THE
MENTAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM...
INCREASING HOSPITAL BUDGETS
ACROSS ONTARIO BY
$822 MILLION.
$2.4 BILLION FOR THE DESIGN AND
THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW
PATIENT CARE CENTRE.
>> Reporter: ALL FROM A PARTY
AND A LEADER TRAILING DISMALLY
IN THE POLLS AND JUST 2 1/2
MONTHS
AWAY FROM THE ELECTION.
CUE THE OUTRAGE FROM THE
POLITICIAN WHO CALL IT A
POLITICAL HAIL MARY.
>> SHE'S TRYING TO BUY VOTES
WITH MONEY THAT SHE DOESN'T
HAVE.
THESE CHEQUES WILL BOUNCE.
>> THE PEOPLE ARE APPARENTLY
PRETTY FED UP WITH THE LIBERALS.
I MEAN, THE POLLS CONTINUE TO
SHOW THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT
KATHLEEN WYNNE AND THE LIBERALS
AT THE HELM ANYMORE.
>> Reporter: TO BE SURE
ANALYSTS SAY THAT THE POLICY
PROMISES ARE EXTRAORDINARY,
NEVER MIND THE COSTS.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN
RESONATING WITH THE VOTERS.
>> NOW ONCE YOU COMPARE WHAT
THEY SAY IS IMPORTANT...
>> Reporter: THE PROBLEM IS
WHAT PEOPLE APPROVE OF DOESN'T
ALWAYS TRANSLATE TO THEIR VOTES.
>> THE GENERAL SENSE THAT THE
LIBERALS HAVE WORN OUT THEIR
WELCOME SEEMS TO OVERTAKE OF
WHAT IS DRIVING VOTER INTENTION
RIGHT NOW.
>> Reporter: AS FOR WHETHER
THIS IS ALL ABOUT POLITICAL
SURVIVAL, ONTARIO'S PREMIER HAS
A READY ANSWER.
DO YOU SEE WHY PEOPLE WOULD BE
CYNICAL?
>> I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF
CYNICISM IN POLITICS, YOU KNOW,
I THINK THAT -- I THINK THAT
IT'S PART OF -- IT'S PART OF THE
POLITICAL WORLD THAT WE OPERATE
IN.
I AM IN POLITICS BECAUSE I
BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS A
ROLE TO PLAY, THAT WE HAVE A
ROLE TO PLAY TO COME TOGETHER
AND TO FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS TO
PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN
THEIR LIVES.
>> I SORT OF AM CYNICAL WHETHER
THEY'D ACTUALLY DO IT AND IT
SEEMS LIKE AN ELECTION PLOY AS
FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
>> Reporter: THE QUESTION IS,
COME ELECTION DAY WILL CYNICISM
WIN OUT?
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Andrew: NOW ONTARIO ISN'T
THE FIRST PROVINCE TO PROMISE
FREE OR UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE BUT
THE FOLLOWTHROUGH ELSEWHERE HAS
BEEN MIXED.
>> WE NEED TO BUILD MORE SPACES,
THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE.
>> Andrew: $10-A-DAY CHILD
CARE WAS A CENTRAL PLANK OF THE
B.C. N.D.P.'S CAMPAIGN PLATFORM
BUT IN LAST MONTH'S THRONE
SPEECH NOT EVEN A MENTION.
SOME WONDERED IF THE PREMIER WAS
BACKING AWAY FROM THE IDEA BUT
JOHN HORGAN SAID, NO, IT'S STILL
ON BUT IT WILL TAKE 10 YEARS TO
FULLY IMPLEMENT.
>> INVESTING IN QUALITY CHILD
CARE CAN IMPROVE THE
DEVELOPMENTAL OUTCOMES FOR
CHILDREN...
>> Andrew: ONE PROVINCE OVER,
ALBERTA'S
N.D.P. GOVERNMENT STARTED A
PILOT PROJECT IN 2016 CAPPING
FEES AT $25-A-DAY IN A HUNDRED
DAYCARE CENTRES ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.
BUT ECONOMICALLY TIMES HAVE BEEN
TOUGH IN ALBERTA AND THAT'S
DELAYED RACHEL NOTLEY'S PROMISE
TO MOVE TOWARDS UNIVERSAL
DAYCARE.
>> THEY'RE OUR FUTURE AND WE
NEED TO CARE FOR THEM, CREATE
THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY CAN
LEARN, LAUGH AND THRIVE.
MY NAME IS STEVEN.
>> Andrew: IN EASTERN CANADA
THE NOVA SCOTIA LIBERALS
PROMISED FREE PRESCHOOL FOR
4-YEAR-OLDS.
PROVINCE-WIDE THAT IS SET TO
START IN 2020.
NOW TO PUT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS
IN CONTEXT
CONSIDER THAT IN TORONTO THE
AVERAGE COST OF PUTTING YOUR
LITTLE ONE IN CHILD CARE IS
ABOUT $1700 A MONTH OR ABOUT $80
A DAY.
THAT'S LIKE PAYING DOWN A SECOND
MORTGAGE FOR SOME FAMILIES.
AND OVER IN QUÉBEC IT'S THE
OPPOSITE.
CHILD CARE THERE IS HEAVILY
SUBSIDIZED BY GOVERNMENT AND
IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR MORE THAN
20 YEARS.
>> Rosemary: OKAY.
THIS SUNDAY
BELL'S INTERNET RATE JUMPED BY
$5 IN ONTARIO AND $3 IN QUÉBEC
AND ROGER'S MONTHLY RATE JUMPED
BY $8, THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.
MANY CANADIANS AREN'T HAPPY
ABOUT THE LATEST PRICE INCREASES
BUT DOES A BUDGET CONSCIOUS
INTERNET USER REALLY HAVE ANY
OTHER CHOICE?
AS IT TURNS OUT THEY HAVE
HUNDREDS.
WHILE FIVE MAJOR PLAYERS
DOMINATE THE CANADIAN INTERNET
MARKET, YOU PROBABLY KNOW THEM,
THERE ARE AT LEAST 550 OTHER
SMALLER COMPANIES OUT THERE.
THEY LEASE NETWORK ACCESS FROM
THE HEAVYWEIGHTS AND THEN THEY
SELL THEIR OWN INTERNET PLANS
WITH SIMILAR SPEEDS AND SERVICE,
OFTEN CONSIDERABLY CHEAPER AND
YET THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF
CANADIANS STAY WITH THE GIANTS
AND PAY MORE.
BUT WHY?
OUR AARON SALTZMAN MADE IT HIS
MISSION TO FIND OUT.
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>> Reporter: IN THIS
INDUSTRIAL STRIP DEEP IN THE
SUBURBS OF TORONTO YOU'LL FIND
THE MODEST OFFICES OF COEXTRO,
AN INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER.
IS THIS A HAPPY CUSTOMER?
>> A HAPPY CUSTOMER THAT IS
BLAZING SPEED.
>> Reporter: THEY HAVE ABOUT
10,000 CUSTOMERS AND SEVEN
EMPLOYEES.
ONE OF HUNDREDS OF SMALL
CANADIAN INTERNET RESELLERS ALL
FACING THE SAME HUGE OBSTACLE.
>> IT IS A CHALLENGE CERTAINLY
COMPETING AGAINST THE LARGER
CARRIERS.
>> Reporter: COEXTRO CUSTOMERS
GET THEIR INTERNET THROUGH THE
SAME NETWORKS LIKE THE LARGER
CARRIERS.
UNLIKE THE LARGER CARRIERS
THOUGH, IT
COMES WITH UNLIMITED DATA.
AND IT COSTS ABOUT HALF AS MUCH.
AND YET IT IS STILL A STRUGGLE
TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO SWITCH.
>> IT'S QUITE FRUSTRATING AND
THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WE
HAVE IS WHY ARE WE NOT
GETTING -- WE'RE DOING WELL BUT
HOW COME WE'RE NOT GETTING MORE
VOLUME?
>> Reporter: THE ANSWER IS
LARRY McLEAN, WELL, NOT LARRY
SPECIFICALLY, BUT PEOPLE JUST
LIKE HIM.
HE'S BEEN WITH EITHER ROGERS OR
BELL SINCE THE DIAL-UP DAYS SO
WHEN BOTH ANNOUNCED EARLIER THIS
MONTH THAT THEY WERE RAISING THE
INTERNET PRICES FOR THE SECOND
TIME IN 15 MONTHS -- WHAT ARE
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> YOU KNOW, THEY RAISE THE
PRICE $5, SO WHAT CAN I DO?
I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S
PROBABLY TOO MUCH.
>> Reporter: YET HE'S STICKING
WITH HIS BIG TELCO.
AND THE NUMBERS SUGGEST THAT
MOST OTHERS WILL TOO.
EVEN WITH HUNDREDS OF SMALLER
COMPANIES OFFERING HOME INTERNET
SERVICE IN CANADA WITH THE
PRICES ON AVERAGE ABOUT 25%
CHEAPER THAN THE BIG GUYS,
TOGETHER BELL, ROGERS, TELUS AND
THE LARGE INCUMBENTS STILL
ACCOUNT FOR 87% OF RESIDENTIAL
INTERNET SUBSCRIPTIONS IN
CANADA.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER
THIRD-PARTY PROVIDERS, RIGHT?
ARE YOU AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE?
>> YEAH, YEAH.
THEY'RE ALL CHEAPER.
>> Reporter: HE KNOWS THAT HE
COULD SAVE MONEY BY GOING
ELSEWHERE BUT HE CHOOSES NOT TO.
WE WANTED TO KNOW WHY HE AND SO
MANY OTHER CANADIANS MAKE THAT
DECISION.
SO WE ASKED BRIN WINEGARD, SHE
STUDIES
PSYCHOLOGY AND A PROFESSOR AT
THE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS.
>> I LOOK AD THE REASON WHY
CONSUMERS MAKE DECISIONS.
>> Reporter: SHE SAYS THERE'S
FOUR REASONS THAT CONSUMERS PASS
UP OPPORTUNITIES TO SAVE MONEY.
THE FIRST IS FEAR OF CHANGE.
>> THERE'S A REAL COST TOIC
MAAING THE WRONG CHOICE WHICH IS
EQUATED AS CONSUMER RISK.
SO CONSUMERS ARE TRYING TO
MITIGATE RISK BY GOING WITH THE
ONE THEY KNOW, THE DEVIL THEY
KNOW.
>> Reporter: LISTEN TO LARRY
ON THAT.
>> I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE
HASSLE OF CHANGING AND FINDING
OUT IT'S NOT AS GOOD.
>> Reporter: SECOND -- TRUST
IN THE ESTABLISHMENT.
>> BRANDS STRESS FAMILIARITY AND
FAMILIARITY DRIVES LIKING AND
LIKING DRIVES TRUST AND PURCHASE
AND INTENT.
>> PEOPLE MY AGE REMEMBER BELL
WHEN BELL WAS THE ONLY GAME IN
TOWN.
>> Reporter: BUT IT'S NOT ONLY
PEOPLE HIS AGE.
THE NUMBERS
SHOW THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE ALSO
GOING WITH THE BIG COMPANIES.
THIRD -- CHEAPER MEANS LOWER
QUALITY.
>> AND THERE'S A PSYCHOLOGY THAT
SHOWS, RESEARCH THAT SHOWS, IF
THE DISPARITY IS REALLY BIG IT'S
ALL THE MORE REASON TO MISTRUST
THE SMALLER GUY.
SO IF YOU'RE CHARGING LESS
YOU'RE VALUED AT LESS.
>> EVERYTHING IS CHEAP, CHEAP,
CHEAP AND WHEN PEOPLE TALK LIKE
THAT, TO ME IT PUTS ME OFF
BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT CHEAP IS.
>> Reporter: AND THE FOURTH
REASON -- HABIT.
>> ONCE WE HAVE BUILT THAT HABIT
WITH THOSE CONSUMERS, THAT
ROUTINE, THEY DON'T BREAK IT
EVEN WHEN THEY BREAK TRUST AND
EVEN WHEN THEY BREAK THEIR
PRICES AND EVEN WHEN THEY HIKE
THEIR FEES, ETC.
>> Reporter: SO REALLY YOU'RE
A SATISFIED BELL CUSTOMER OTHER
THAN THE PRICE INCREASE?
>> YEAH, WELL, I'M SATISFIED
WITH GASOLINE OTHER THAN THE
PRICE.
>> CREATURES OF HABIT.
>> Reporter: WITH LITTLE FEAR
OF LOSING CUSTOMERS, SHE SAYS,
THERE'S LITTLE REASON TO LOWER
PRICES.
AND GET THIS -- IT'S A CANADIAN
THING.
>> CANADIANS ARE ALSO MORE VALUE
CONSCIOUS AND LESS PRICE
SENSITIVE COMPARED TO AMERICANS.
SO WE SEE AMERICANS MUCH MORE
SENSITIVE TO PRICE AND CANADIANS
WILL PAY.
SO WHAT WE ALSO SEE FROM
CANADIANS IS THEY'LL PUT THEIR
MONEY TOWARDS THINGS THEY VALUE
OR THAT THEY PERCEIVE VALUE IN.
>> Reporter: THERE ARE OTHER
REASONS, OF COURSE, WHY PEOPLE
DON'T CHOOSE SMALLER COMPANIES,
NOT LEAST BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE
HAVEN'T HEARD OF THEM.
COEXTRO HAS NO ADVERTISING
BUDGET.
THEY GET MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS
VIA WORD OF MOUTH.
>> THERE'S THE FIBRE LINE.
>> Reporter: THEY'RE ALSO
BUILDING THEIR OWN FIBEROPTIC
NETWORK, SLOWLY BUT SURELY
TRYING TO GAIN CUSTOMERS
IN WHAT IS AN UPHILL BATTLE
BECAUSE IN A BUSINESS WHERE THE
LARGE CORPORATIONS HOLD NEARLY
90% OF THE MARKET THIS SMALL
COMPANY'S BIGGEST HURDLE MIGHT
JUST BE CANADIAN CONSUMERS
THEMSELVES.
AARON SALTZMAN, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Rosemary: SO CANADIAN.
CANADIANS MAY VALUE PERCEIVED
QUALITY OVER COST BUT THEY'RE
NOT ABOVE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE
BILL.
SO HOW DO THE PRICES STACK UP TO
THOSE IN OTHER DEVELOPED
COUNTRIES?
CHECK THIS OUT... CANADIANS PAY
A LOT BUT NOT THE MOST FOR THE
AVERAGE HIGH-SPEED INTERNET
SERVICE, ABOUT $65 A MONTH.
PEOPLE IN JAPAN AND AUSTRALIA
PAY MODERATELY MORE, THAT'S $68,
$70 RESPECTIVELY.
BUT LOOK AT THE U.S., THE
AVERAGE BILL THERE IS ALMOST
$100 A MONTH, THAT'S ROUGHLY
TWICE WHAT IS PAID IN MUCH OF
WESTERN EUROPE.
>> Andrew: A LOT OF MONEY.
>>> OKAY, STILL AHEAD ON "THE
NATIONAL," ALBERTA SKATEBOARDERS
WORK TOGETHER TO HELP TEENAGED
MEXICAN GIRLS RECOVERING FROM
SEXUAL EXPLOITATION.
HOW OLD PROM DRESSES CAN MEAN A
NEW START IN OUR "MOMENT OF THE
DAY."
>>> BUT FIRST WE WANT TO SHOW
YOU A ROUGH MOMENT FOR BORIS
JOHNSON TODAY.
BRITAIN'S OUTSPOKEN FOREIGN
SECRETARY WAS LESS THAN
RESPECTFUL IN HOW HE REFERRED TO
LABOUR M.P. EMILY THORNBURY AND
IT DIDN'T GO OVER WELL.
>> ISN'T THAT EXTRAORDINARY THIS
IS AN INSTITUTION, SAY NO SAYS
THE MEMBER AND THE LADY OR THE
BARONESS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
>> WE DO NOT ADDRESS
PEOPLE BY THE TITLES OF THEIR
SPOUSES.
AND THE FOREIGN SECRETARY HAS A
NAME AND IT'S NOT LADY
SOMETHING.
WE KNOW WHAT HER NAME IS AND IT
IS INAPPROPRIATE AND, FRANKLY,
SEXIST TO SPEAK IN THOSE TERMS.
AND I'M NOT HAVING IT IN THIS
CHAMBER.
THAT IS THE END OF THE MATTER.
NO MATTER HOW SENIOR A MEMBER,
THAT COMMENT IS NOT LEGITIMATE
AND IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED AND
IT WILL BE CALLED OUT FROM ANY
OCCUPANTS OF THE TREASURY BENCH.
I HAVE SAID WHAT MY POSITION IS
AND, BELIEVE ME, THAT IS THE END
OF THE MATTER.
>> I PRAY YOUR INDULGENCE TO
PROSTATE MYSELF BEFORE YOU AND
TO APOLOGISE FOR ANY INADVERTENT
SEXISM OR DISCOURTESY.
I MEANT NO HARM.
I MEANT NO HARM, MR. SPEAKER,
AND I APOLOGISE UNRESERVEDLY IF
I HAVE OFFENDED THE FEELINGS OF
(*)
>> Ian: ON "THE NATIONAL," WE'RE
TURNING THE LENS ON YOUR BLUE
BIN.
THIS IS THE BERMONDSEY ROAD
STATION IN
TORONTO AND THAT PILE IS A
FRACTION OF THE 209,000 TONNES
OF MATERIAL THAT THE CITY TRIES
TO RECYCLE EVERY YEAR.
ABOUT A QUARTER OF IT THOUGH
WILL BE SENT TO LANDFILL BECAUSE
IT'S CONTAMINATED WITH STUFF
THAT CAN'T BE RECYCLED LIKE
POTATO CHI BAGS AND GLOBS
OF PEANUT BUTTER.
TONIGHT WE'LL LOOK AT HOW WE CAN
REDUCE, REUSE AND RETHINK OF THE
GLOBAL
RECYCLING CHALLENGES.
CANADA INVENTED THE BLUE BOX,
THE FIRST CURBSIDE RECYCLING
PROGRAMMES
LAUNCHED IN ONTARIO THREE
DECADES AGO.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT RECYCLING
TECHNOLOGY HAS NOT KEPT UP WITH
OUR LIFESTYLE.
FOR EXAMPLE,
WE USED TO THROW OUT A LOT OF
BOTTLES AND CANS AND NEWSPAPERS.
NOW BLUE BINS ARE BRIMMING WITH
PLASTIC THAT IS EXPENSIVE AND
SOMETIMES IMPOSSIBLE TO RECYCLE.
SOME OF THAT PLASTIC GETS SORTED
AND SENT TO LANDFILLS BUT A LOT
IS SHIPPED OVERSEAS.
CHINA USED TO BE THE BIGGEST
IMPORTER OF RECYCLABLES AND THEN
IN JANUARY IT SAID, NO MORE.
SASA PETRICIC SHOWS US WHY.
>> Reporter: THE PLASTIC FLIES
IN THE VILLAGE OF LUQIAO, GREAT
SHEETS OF IT ONCE USED FOR
WRAPPING.
HUGE COMPRESSED BLOCKS OF OLD
SHOPPING BAGS FILL EVERY CORNER
OF THE LOCAL RECYCLING CENTRE.
IT'S ONE OF A GROWING NUMBER OF
SUCH PLANTS SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT
RURAL CHINA.
THIS ONE IS NEAR SHANGHAI.
ALL PART OF A GOVERNMENT PLAN TO
CLEAN UP THE WORLD'S BIGGEST
PILE OF WASTE THAT HAS BEEN
BUILDING ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR
DECADES.
LOCAL HABITS ARE PARTLY TO
BLAME.
>> [speaking foreign
language].
>> Reporter: PEOPLE ARE USED
TO JUST THROWING THINGS AWAY,
SAYS THE PLANT MANAGER.
WE'RE TELLING THEM TO RECYCLE,
TO STAP WITH THE TRASH.
BUT NORTH AMERICA AND EUROPE
HAVE BEEN EVEN BEEN BIGGER
CULPRITS.
CHINA WAS TAKING IN ABOUT HALF
OF THE WORLD'S UNWANTED PAPER
AND PLASTIC WHEN IT DECIDED THAT
IT DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE GLOBAL
GARBAGE DUMP.
SOME 20,000 TONNES OF IT WAS
ARRIVING EVERY SINGLE DAY.
IT WAS A CHEAP AND EASY SOLUTION
FOR THE DEVELOPED WORLD,
INCLUDING CANADA, BUT IT WAS A
GROWING ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM
FOR CHINA.
THIS DISTRICTS LIKE GUIYU WERE
NOTORIOUS FOR ELECTRONIC WASTE,
FOR INSTANCE, THOUSANDS OF SMALL
FAMILY-RUN WORKSHOPS RECYCLED
COMPUTERS.
WITHOUT ANY REAL SYSTEM TO
DISPOSE OF THE WASTE.
IT WAS A WELL-MEANING WAY TO
DEAL WITH GLOBAL E-GARBAGE BUT
OUT OF CONTROL IT TURNED TOXIC,
TAINTING WATER AND SOIL WITH
HEAVY METALS.
IN LOCAL CHILDREN MEDICAL
RESEARCHERS FOUND WIDESPREAD
LEAD POISONING.
GUIYU HAVE BEEN CLEANING UP
SLOWLY BUT OTHER AREAS HAVE NOT.
THERE IS STILL NOT AN EFFECTIVE
WASTE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
>> Reporter: GREENPEACE SAYS
THAT CHINA'S PLAN TO LIMIT
FOREIGN WASTE IS A CHANCE TO SET
UP A CLEANER, MORE REGULATED
SYSTEM.
IN THE MEANTIME THOUGH FOREIGN
BANS ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS HERE
TOO.
IRONICALLY A SHORTAGE OF WASTE.
THE CHEAP MATERIALS GLEANED FROM
RECYCLING HAVE BECOME AN
INTEGRAL PART OF CHINA'S
PRODUCTION CHAIN.
TURNED INTO LOW-COST PLASTIC
HANGERS AND KIDS TOYS AND
LUXURY CAR PARTS BUT WITH LESS
RECYCLING THE RAW MATERIAL IS
NOW SCARCER.
IN BEIJING, THE BIGGEST BOTTLE
RECYCLER USES VENDING MACHINES
TO COLLECT USED PLASTIC, PAYING
PEOPLE ABOUT HALF A CENT FOR
EVERY BOTTLE THEY BRING.
BUT WHEN THE MACHINES ARE OPENED
THEY ARE LARGELY EMPTY.
>> [speaking foreign
language].
>> Reporter: PEOPLE JUST DON'T
BRING ALL OF THE BOTTLES THAT WE
NEED, SHE SAYS.
WE CAN RECYCLE 50,000 TONNES A
YEAR BUT CAN ONLY COLLECT ABOUT
30,000.
OVER TIME THAT IS LIKELY TO
CHANGE AS CHINA'S URBAN MIDDLE
CLASS GROWS, CONSUMING MORE AND
LIKELY RECYCLING MORE, REPLACING
THE DEVELOPED WORLD'S WASTE WITH
WASTE OF ITS OWN.
SASA PETRICIC, CBC NEWS,
SHANGHAI.
>> Ian: ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS
NOW IS WHAT DOES THE DEVELOPED
WORLD DO WITH ALL OF THAT WASTE
THAT IT USED TO SEND TO CHINA?
TURNS OUT THAT HERE IN CANADA
MANY MUNICIPALITIES ARE
STOCKPILING MATERIALS BECAUSE
THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO SEND THEM.
KAYLA HOUNSELL HAS THAT PART OF
THE STORY.
>> Reporter: IN NOVA SCOTIA'S
COLCHESTER COUNTY PLASTICS ARE
THE PROBLEM, HEAPS AND PILES
OF THEM STACKING UP.
THERE'S NOWHERE TO SEND THEM.
>> IT'S A BIG PROBLEM BUT WE'RE
ACTIVELY SEEKING SOLUTIONS.
>> Reporter: IT STARTED WHEN
CHINA BEGAN BANNING OR SERIOUSLY
RESTRICTING FOREIGN WASTE.
THIS FACILITY BRINGS IN MORE
THAN 10,000 TONNES OF
RECYCLABLES A YEAR AND WAS
SENDING 40% OF THAT TO CHINA AND
COLCHESTER IS NOT ALONE.
MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS NORTH
AMERICA HAD BEEN STOCKPILING
RECYCLABLES.
SOME MATERIAL HAS STARTED TO
MOVE OVER THE PAST COUPLE
MONTHS, MOSTLY TO ASIAN MARKETS,
BUT AT LOWER PRICES.
>> THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THIS
CHALLENGE IS BECAUSE WE GENERATE
SO MUCH WASTE AND WHEN I SAY
WASTE I MEAN THAT IN THE BROADER
SENSE OF THE WORD, BOTH WASTE
AND RECYCLABLES.
>> Reporter: HERE IN
COLCHESTER COUNTY THEY HAVE
ACCUMULATED SO MUCH FILM PLASTIC
THAT THEY HAVE RAN OUT OF PLACES
TO STORE IT.
IT'S BEEN SITTING OUTSIDE HERE
FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW.
THE CONCERN IS THAT IT COULD
DEGRADE BEYOND THE POINT WHERE
IT COULD BE RECYCLED.
IF THAT HAPPENS THERE'S NO OTHER
CHOICE BUT TO BURY IT HERE AT
THE LANDFILL.
NOVA SCOTIA IS THE ONLY PROVINCE
IN CANADA IN WHICH IT'S ACTUALLY
ILLEGAL TO DUMP PLASTICS IN A
LANDFILL.
SO IF IT COMES TO THAT
COLCHESTER WILL HAVE TO ASK THE
PROVINCE FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT.
HALIFAX, WHICH WAS ALSO
STOCKPILING PLASTICS, HAS SINCE
FOUND NEW MARKETS FOR ITS
MATERIALS BUT WON'T SAY WHERE.
>> IF HALIFAX SHIPPED A THOUSAND
TONNES TO ONE FACILITY, IF THAT
NAME GETS OUT ANOTHER
MUNICIPALITY MIGHT CALL AND SAY
WE'LL PAY YOU AN EXTRA $2 PER
TONNE TO TAKE OUR MATERIALS AND
THEN HALIFAX WOULD HAVE NOWHERE
TO PUT OUR MATERIAL.
>> Reporter: THEY ARE
CONSIDERING PLASTIC BAG BANS.
>> THERE ARE ACTUALLY WHOLE
COUNTRIES, COSTA RICA IS
THINKING OF DOING IT WITH A
COUNTRY-WIDE BAN.
>> Reporter: THE CHALLENGE IS
RESULTING FROM CHINA'S DECISION
MEAN THAT THE BRITISH COLUMBIA
MODEL IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY
ATTRACTIVE.
PLASTICS ARE PROCESSED IN
PROVINCE AND THEY MAKE PRODUCERS
PAY.
>> RETAILERS, FOOD
MANUFACTURERS, QUICK SERVICE
RESTAURANTS AS EXAMPLES ARE
ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR
PAYING THE COSTS OF MANAGING
THEIR PACKAGING AT THE END OF
LIFE AND SO THAT MEANS THEY PAY
FEES TO RECYCLE B.C. AND ON
THEIR BEHALF WE USE THOSE FEES
TO NOT ONLY MANAGE THE PROGRAMME
BUT IN DIRECTLY MANAGING THE
PROGRAMME OURSELVES.
>> Reporter: AS MUNICIPALITIES
CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS,
DAVID PETERMAN SAYS THAT HE
EXPECTS THAT CANADIANS AND
AMERICANS WILL END UP PAYING
MORE FOR
RECYCLING.
KAYLA HOWNSZEL, CBC NEWS,
KEMPTOWN, NOVA SCOTIA.
>> Ian: OUR SERIES CONTINUES
TOMORROW ON "THE NATIONAL" AND
WE'LL TAKE YOU INSIDE OF A
265-YEAR-OLD PAPER MILL IN
ENGLAND THAT IS USING NEW
TECHNOLOGY TO SOLVE THE COFFEE
CUP CRISIS.
>> Reporter: COFFEE DRINKERS
IN THIS COUNTRY THROW AWAY
2.5 BILLION OF THESE CUPS IN A
YEAR AND THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE
TRANSFORMING THEM INTO PAPER
THAT GETS MADE INTO SHOPPING
BAGS.
FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE BAGS ONE
CUP HAS BEEN RECYCLED.
>> Ian: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
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>> Andrew: TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL" IF THERE WAS A DOUBT
THAT THE OPIOID CRISIS HAS
GOTTEN MUCH WORSE SINCE 2016,
THE PUBLIC HEALTH MINISTERS SAY
THAT WE SHOULD PUT TO THAT REST.
ACCORDING TO NOW NUMBERS ALMOST
3,000 PEOPLE DIED IN THIS
COUNTRY FROM OPIOID RELATED
OVERDOSES IN THE FIRST NINE
MONTHS OF 2017 WHICH IS A HUGE
JUMP FROM THE SAME PERIOD THE
PREVIOUS YEAR, A 45% INCREASE.
AND SYNTHETIC OPIOIDS LIKE
FENTANYL ARE INCREASINGLY TO
BLAME.
>>> AFTER PRESSURE FROM THE
OPPOSITION, PRIME MINISTER
JUSTIN TRUDEAU REVEALED TODAY
WHAT GIFTS HE EXCHANGED WITH THE
AGA KHAN DURING THAT
CONTROVERSIAL CHRISTMAS VACATION
IN 2 20.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: AS OFTEN HAPPENS AT
HOLIDAY TIME WITH FAMILY AND
FRIENDS YOU EXCHANGE GIFTS AND
IF THE MEMBER OPPOSITE REALLY
WANTS TO KNOW, I GAVE HIM A
SWEATER AND HE GAVE ME AN
OVERNIGHT BAG.
>> Andrew: THOSE DETAILS FROM
TRUDEAU COME AFTER THE FORMER
ETHICS COMMISSIONER RULED LAST
YEAR THAT THE TRIP AND THE
CHRISTMAS GIFT CONTRAVENED THE
ETHICS RULES.
WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER WON'T
SAY IS HOW MUCH THE GIFTS WERE
WORTH OR WHETHER THEY WERE
RETURNED.
>>> SKATEBOARDERS AND PROM
DRESSES, TWO THINGS THAT YOU
MIGHT NOT IMMEDIATELY ASSOCIATE
WITH EACH OTHER EXCEPT SOMEHOW,
SOMEWAY, A GROUP OF
SKATEBOARDERS FROM MEDICINE HAT,
ALBERTA, FOUND A VERY COMPELLING
REASON TO GET 150 PROM DRESSES
DOWN TO MEXICO T TEEN GIRLS IN
NEED AND THAT IS OUR "MOMENT OF
THE DAY."
>> I MEAN, WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT
DRESSES.
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WE'RE JUST A BUNCH OF GUYS THAT
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO WHAT WE
CAN SO WHEN THEY ASKED WE WERE
LITERALLY, CAN ANYONE HELP US.
AND WE ASKED HOW MUCH DRESSES DO
YOU NEED?
AND THEY SAID WE CAN TAKE AS
MANY AS YOU CAN BRING.
SO WE PUT THE WORD OUT AND
WE TRIED TO GET 120 AND WE CAME
IN WITH 169.
WE'RE BASICALLY HEADED DOWN ON
THE GREYHOUND BUS AND DRIVING
FROM MEDICINE HAT, ALBERTA, TO
THE AREA.
THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT
BEING ABLE TO HAND THEM AND SAY,
HEY, THIS MEANT SOMETHING TO
SOMEONE AND NOW I'M SO EXCITED
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
CREATE A STORY OUT OF THIS.
THE COOL THING IS THAT WE WANT
TO BEAT THE NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE
ON SKATEBOARDERS AND YOUNG KIDS
THAT THEY'RE JUST PUNKS.
THESE KIDS ARE JUST SO VALUABLE.
>> Rosemary: I LOVE THAT SO
MUCH BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING HE
ADMITS THAT THEY KNOW NOTHING
ABOUT PROM DRESSES.
HOW LOVELY.
>> Andrew: LONG BEFORE THEY
GET TO MEXICO.
WHICH HAPPENS ON FRIDAY.
THAT'S WHEN THEY LEAVE AND
APPARENTLY -- SO THIS IS THE
OTHER GREAT PART OF THIS
STORY -- ONCE THEY ARRIVE THERE
THEY'RE NOT JUST BRINGING THE
DRESSES TO DONATE BUT THEY'LL
ALSO CREATE AN EXTENSION TO THE
SAFE HOUSE WHERE THOSE TEEN
GIRLS ARE.
AND ALSO BUILDING A SKATE PARK
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WHAT ELSE
WOULD YOU DO?
>> Rosemary: PERFECT.
>> Ian: TWO THINGS, FIRST OF
ALL, I HOPE THEY HAVE ONE OF
THOSE DASHCAM CAMERAS AND IT'S
ROLLING WHEN THEY GO FROM CANADA
INTO THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE I
WANT TO SEE THE FACE OF THE
HOMELAND SECURITY OFFICER WHEN
THESE GUYS SAY, YEAH, WE'RE
SKATEBOARDERS IN A BUS WITH PROM
DRESSES AND WE'RE TAKING THEM TO
MEXICO.
[laughter]
IF THEY EVEN GET THROUGH.
AND THE SECOND THING, I WAS
DOING READING ON THESE GUYS AND
THEY ARE -- AT LEAST ON THE WEB
THEY SEEM TO BE THIS GROUP THAT
PROMOTES TWO THINGS --
SKATEBOARDING AND DOING GOOD
WORK WHICH IS AN UNUSUAL BUT A
REALLY NICE COMBINATION AND I
GUESS THAT IS WHY THEY'RE OUR
"MOMENT OF THE DAY."
>> Andrew: THAT'S GREAT.
>> Ian: THAT'S "THE NATIONAL"
FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 27th.
GOODNIGHT.
>> Andrew: GOODNIGHT.
>> Rosemary: GOODNIGHT.
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