So today we're heading to Mito for a shooting of a Matsuri, so it's festival
that is a commemoration for the samurai who committed the assassination of Ii Naosuke,
Minister of the Shogun at the end of the Edo period.
It's an assassination which led to the Meiji period, the restoration of the Emperor,
and the birth of the modern Japan, including the modern Budo that we practice today.
Today for this second Sato talk that we are shooting at the back of the car,
on the way to the event,
we were discussing the relevance of studying Japanese history, and...
actually the work we're going to do today
for martial art practitioners. So, as practitioners we are also doing this
work of documenting Japanese history for a reason and we think that it is very
important for any serious martial artist you know the history of Japan and the
question is why to what extent should we study Japanese history in order to
understand the video we practiced today and jean-francois here we joined the
Sado a few weeks ago he is also an adept of Japanese culture and history when you
started studying Japanese history and philosophy I guess you were maybe
surprised by a few facts or the the reality of the history based on what you
you've seen before on TV or popular culture yes that's that's absolutely
true there I think for most people if you want to say it fast you can I think
almost everybody that starts martial arts start for the wrong reasons
and most of those will go on they go on for the good reasons which means that
usually you have a lot of prejudices when you start martial arts because
because we don't know first hand of course we're Westerners so all we
know of Japanese culture history and so on we we get it from from the popular
culture from from books from far away and it builds this image we have of
Japan in our minds in the West and often it's quite a romantic image that is of
course absolutely wrong like every image you can have of an external culture so
you start because you have this seducing image and you want you want to go closer
and as you as you get closer to this image you realize that actually it's not
it's not the right picture you got it wrong but if you're earnest in your
practice you will realize that this new image is more and more interesting so
actually the image you have of the Buddha of Buddha of Japan and so on is
you you read it through your own Western concepts and the closer you get to the
real Japanese culture the more you can can adjust this picture be good because
you get the the new tools from directly from the Japanese country will help you
understand firsthand what is really at stake here and that's where things start
to get interesting it's because probably more more than anything else in Japanese
culture the the Japanese who used we used the samurai culture throughout the
years the times to create romantic image of the past and use it as a foundation
for for the culture of the time students happenes history was interesting in that
ideas what we call push Edo for example was different five hundred years ago for
a good 200 years ago 50 years ago or today it adapt to be relevant to the
ideas of the time and once you got that idea then you can start working on
Japanese history and start trying to understand what was the the sinking of
the time 200 years ago when you say Bureau or when you see Bushido if you
don't precise from which period from which time you take that we took the
world then it can mean plenty of different things almost all the books I
could find at least those that are translated that in which you can find
something about Bushido or in which you can find traces
of the faults of the of the samurai about their own status
their own their own culture it's almost almost everything is from the everything
I know at least is from the Edo era so roughly from the beginning of the 17th
century to the middle of the 19th century and because it was finally a
period of peace after a period of great military troubles like all the samurai
finally after years of fighting and years of building a status of samurai
and and thoughts of Bushido they finally had the time to kind of formalize all
those thoughts into something but the trick here is that then at the moment
precise moment when they were writing it down kind of it was already changing
because the the time was not a time of war anymore so they kind of already at
the time they are they were already modifying that the thoughts the original
thoughts that you could probably find during the Sengoku Jidai during the
period of the warring States where the the actual culture of Buda with the
culture of the samurai was probably much more rough in every sense and then you
have the Meiji era after the Edo era so from the middle of the 19th century and
things change again and you have actually new books like the Bushido by
by a little bit which is yeah it's something else what's interesting in
this book is that nito Bay was not an historian it was an educator basically
very much influenced by Western education ideas and erode his it was
Christian he was influenced by Christianity and he wrote his book
directly in English to explain the Japanese culture to foreigners so from
that point it is very every single academic it was just about writing
stories for foreigners but it still says something at the time what the Japanese
wanted to show of themself to foreigners and that's very interesting as well so
the example of Bushido is it's a book that should be studied when studying
Japanese philosophy and 9 from the Meiji period but probably not for accurate to
do opposite over ended the research it's true I think it's true to say you you
cannot study philosophy out of its context not completely out of it context
of course the thoughts you can find in in philosophy in books are always
interesting at the present you can always do something with the at the
present but if you want to get what the author meant or what the people who said
what is written down really thought or really felt you have to do this at least
a little this history historian work so today is about one of the very last
events of the Edo period right before the Meiji Revolution a group of samurai
from the the middle hand the metal clan decided to go rogue and to kill what
could be considered at the prime minister of the time so it wasn't the
Shogun but it was the number two of the government this guy in aus K was
basically trying to eliminate all the resistance against the Shogunate which
wanted to open itself to the foreigners who just arrived in Japan after almost
200 years of of sakoku of the closed country to summarize saw that Japan
should protect itself from foreigners so they killed him and this region of Japan
veto is also the birthplace of the Mito gaku which is a philosophical current in
Japan that was very conservative this samurai wanted to protect the traditions
and the samurai social status of the time and to do that they just just gone
rogue and they became running that they basically betrayed everything they were
believing to save what they were believing well it's interesting to study
a little what happened to the very last samurai of Japan and hold the changed to
become a modern society with modern thinking that came not entirely but
at least half from the West and another thing that I'd like to mention about
that is that judo or kendo all the bureau where I built on education were
concept and at the time there was no mandatory education in Japan that just
really set up everything in 20 or 30 years and they used a lot of European
concepts so while judo comes from jujitsu and can
do from kenjutsu Aikido from digits which are all arts the way they were
changed rebuilt and repacked in an educational tool was partly based
on Western ideas so studying the media is very interesting in that many
Japanese many philosopher and thinker try to cross to to merge Japanese
philosophy and Western philosophy Western education and Japanese education
and that's only by studying the specific period of time that we can understand
where the Buddha will practice come from I think we can compare a little the
Meiji Meiji era to the end of the actually it was almost the same same
time but the the end of the 19th century when the Third Republic started in
France and there was finally a common education program built for the whole
country and so on it's a bit the same for the Meiji era from what I know and
Kendall I mean kenjutsu was seen as maybe a way
to unify the country I just it was just part of the programs of course program
for education were much bigger than that with a lot of different matters but that
was thought as more like a sport of course at least physical physical
practice for students that would both keep them in good shape and teach them
something about their something important some something deep about
their culture so probably it's the beginning of the popular popularization
probably the beginning of the popularization of a really of the elite
culture it was the the culture of the samurai so it was only a few a little
percentage of the population at the time we were able to practice below to
practice kenjutsu because you had to me from a restaurant receipt and to have
time to practice this and they took those techniques
and they brought it to the to the people through education and through of course
modifications as a kind of yeah physical physical practice like the morning
training that keeps you in shape and get your body and mind ready for studying
I've seen some a few photos from the time you can see all the little students
in the playground with the book and the book tool and they would they would
practice kind of super EE and so on so at the time I don't know if you can
really call that kenjutsu but at least I know for for sure that they used the
basic key home kenjutsu practice to to to do physical exercises for their for
the students and that's probably where kendo started because wow we have to we
have to understand that Kendall is is it's still brutal or it's still martial
arts I mean we can we can discuss about that translation of Budo but it's not a
sports we we don't want nobody wants to call it a sport but it's closer to sport
than the actual boodle was I mean that the actual kenjutsu was because Kendall
was only about fighting fighting for your life and Kendall it's not for your
life anymore so even if during the Edo period I think
the goals were already shifting maybe towards something more spiritual it was
really I think something really changed when
it was brought to the people by this those educational issues whole treating
movies changed your your practice that is there not a time you wanted to stop
well I wanted to practice for some reasons and and it changed so it's not
relevant anymore or obviously you still practicing and you living in Japan which
means you made peace with it how did that happen actually it did
change my practice of course to understand those things but it never
never questioned my practice I mean this is personal but candle for me is a bit
like a faith I mean means that I'm I truly believe since the beginning since
the day I started that kendo can bring me something important in my life and
probably my whole life so and like any faith at some point you have like you
question it of course that's the that's how it works
but when when I learned about that it didn't really question my practice I
just changed the way I saw it particularly because I think if you are
aware that at some point there was a difference in the
in the thoughts that are behind the practice you you feel like you don't you
don't want to betray the idea you had in the first place so you try to go back in
time to the real thoughts that were behind kenjutsu and you want to bring it
back to your actual practice in the present I I think that's what it did
what this knowledge did to my practice I do I don't wouldn't pretend I I'm
succeeding in it but that's at least why I think I'm trying to do is I'm aware
that kendo can can be can become a sport really easily also because of the
competition the way it is done the point system everything in the fact that you
have referees of course a lot of efforts are made to keep it
linked to the original Buddha to the original kenjutsu into the what what is
at stake something you often hear from teachers is like think about so that she
winning first everything so so we have we still have in kendo those thoughts
linked to the fact that can do is to actually protect your life and to
overcome an opponent but knowing knowing this knowing that there was modification
in the teaching of Kendall it makes it even more important to focus on those
things back in the kenjutsu days in order not to forget why why you are
practicing why why can do is here this idea of fighting for your life or at
least not practicing it only as a sport but as
something more and linked to the the ancient samurai culture is very well
should be the central point in practice but it's not many people practice kendo
for the sports aspect especially in Japan actually I don't criticize them
because I think it's totally enjoyable - that's just not what I am seeking in it
well I did the same for Aikido judo basically not so many people anymore
really practicing in it with the martial ma mind but it's interesting because in
Aikido I know a few people who are doing the same thing they go back to the roots
of died to do a key jujitsu to find where the Aikido taking come from but by
doing that we're actually acknowledging that the Aikido and kendo and the doodle
are not martial arts but educational arts and we have to go back to what was
there before to find the marshal the real martial
aspect of it so well it really depends in people and then what's your goal and
where where you practice probably also because practicing in Japan in a very
safe country doesn't really push people to think about
life danger or stuff like that if you practice in the US I guess that's
probably something that cross your mind more often to conclude and that's
cheating the the history and the philosophy of Japan and perhaps at some
point the art will proceed which precede the one we are currently practicing well
well it's not mandatory you can practice kendo 0x3 do karate do whatever you want
with the mine you want I mean if your teacher is teaching you something that
you like that that's good enough what you cannot really do is claim things to
be Japanese or from Japanese history without studying it and actually
checking out if it did exist or if it does exist actually if it is really
still actually taught in the art or by your teacher for it you're practicing
you can pretty much always find what you're looking for in in practice of
Budo you might have to take the road and then not go to the closest dojo but you
probably well we ended up in Japan somehow we we did actually that's that's
also what's funny is to go from a place to another even inside Japan and you you
will have really different ways to teach and really different thoughts behind the
teaching and I don't know for Aikido before kendo it's pretty true and and
that's also what I like because I also enjoy the this sports side of kendo
sometimes I'm not a great competitor but I like competition sometimes so take a
bit of everything can be nice but of course yeah you have to understand
what's what's behind if you want to be able not only to select but to
understand what you're selecting to understand what's coming to you
yeah so well I think maybe you can agree to conclude on that studying history and
philosophy of Japan is something that helps you understand what you're doing
and that enlarge your your possibilities what you can choose from if you want to
practice something that is more like self defense that will be something very
modern or if you want to practice something which is linked to the life or
death which come from the the samurai time or if it's more educational and
that would be maybe more from the media and what you choose will probably
influence a lot if you're going to stay and keep practicing or if you leave or
do something else so we're almost there it's going to take a while before we
release the video we're going to shoot today there will be a lot more coming
before there is the Kimura is consensus interview coming in the next few weeks
then with semi sensei didn't tell you from this video which is going right
after that we'll have a few Ambu video demonstrated demonstration probably meet
a pro I think hopefully fewer the Sato talks in the meantime so see you soon
and sorry for the shaking we we put the cameras on there on the car well we have
three good gears but it's not designed to do that so we've tried to do the best
we could the light with shifting and everything that we're going to try to
make it better in post but we're really not sure what the result is going to be
but well we were in the cow for more than
one hour and was a good opportunity to talk about a few things
so so we've done it see you soon and on our youtube channel or no website if you
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