Hello and welcome Robyn and Matthias.
I'm honoured that you made time for me to interview you on sexuality and conscious relationships.
Thanks for reaching out.
Thanks for saying yes.
You're in Australia right now.
What are you doing in Australia?
Would you like to start?
Sure.
We are in Australia we're currently in Byron Bay.
We're going to be participating in the Taste of Love festival which starts tomorrow and
runs through the weekend.
And then we're offering several workshops and sessions, we just come from Melbourne
we'll be doing a workshop here in Byron as well and then head to Sydney at the end of
February.
So working and living.
Which is what we do.
Amazing I love Byron Bay.
It's so magical, have you done the light house walk yet?
I've done that a year ago it is just phenomenal.
You can see from up there the Dolphins surfing the waves of the ocean.
It's just magnificent.
Today we were in the tea tree lake.
I love it, I've been to Byron Bay a few times and I love it there.
A little bit about you both first before I dive into the questions.
Let's see what comes up, I love to do flowing interviews.
Because we can have scripted interviews but then I think we will miss the most important
and nicest questions.
I would love for you to introduce yourselves to the viewers.
Who wants to start?
Robyn?
Matthias?
My name is Matt Schwenteck I'm originally from Germany born in Hannover and I grew up
in Berlin, my authentic path started approximately twenty years ago in a kind of accidental experience.
Where I got suicidal and I found myself back in a situation where the only two things that
were left were finding love and what is tantra to me.
And ever since I'm completely committed and dedicated to that path.
I bought my first book after this experience what I call the darkest night of my life.
And the next morning I read this book and in this book I started to read about tantra
and every sentence was just like "yes that's me, that's me, yes yes yes.
And I was just taken by that so that was part of my start.
I'm a sexual body worker.
I did all different kinds of tantric ...(light is playing up) I went on this journey and
did all kinds of teachings that were available to me 20 years ago and still do that and I'm
really interested in what people teach, what people present, what is their approach with
regards to tantra and I just found myself passionate about doing one on one sessions
work and body work.
So that's where my favourite work is.
And I love to teach that to individuals, to couples, to other body workers and there's
one specific modality in there " The Weel of Consent" and this is what we bring
together as a couple, as lovers.
I would love to dive more into that as we go into the interview, thank you for the introduction.
And you had a pretty dark night of the soul I think that is where we all start before
we go into the amazingness we are, thank you for sharing.
And you Robyn?
I'm curious to hear.
My name is Robyn Dalzen and I was living a normal live.
I was working in the environmental sector and focussed on leadership development for
much of my career and my dark night of the soul came five years ago.
Where I found myself completely burned out my energy was just plummeting, I wasn't sure
what was going on and finally I started going to the doctor trying to discover what was
happening and I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer.
And it really caused me to slow down physically I was forced to slow down.
But it also slowed me down emotionally and brought me to a deep place of questioning;
what is it I'm living for and am I putting my energy into the things that really feed
me?
And how do I take care of myself first?
So that I have, I can give from a place of abundance and overflowing.
And so I started on my own journey into personal empowerment and found that I had been living
most of my life from the neck up.
And I have been doing therapy and different personal development practices, but it wasn't
until this time that I realised that I needed to incorporate my whole body.
So I started getting into a lot of feminine movement and really started to awaken in my
sensuality and sexuality and finding this part of myself that had been hidden for a
long time.
And so that led me to this path of wanting to share and work with other women.
Through coaching and empowerment work.
And it was about a year ago that Matt and I met in Bali and I was introduced to this
tantric path which felt like finding a truth in my body that had always been there and
seeing how to incorporate this part of my sensuality, my sexuality and seeing how important
it was to incorporate that into who I am.
And personal development had always been a passion and now I find myself living that
path of being able to share what I'm most passionate about with others and help them
find their own empowerment through sensuality and sexuality.
Do we have a second for me doing the mcGiver trying to fix that light.
Yes I was thinking that.
Welcome back.
Thank you so much for sharing your story as well Robyn.
I already touched upon it a bit in the beginning, why I do these interviews is to help add to
more information on healthy sexuality.
And I believe that sexuality is one of the most important tools that help us get into
our personal power.
And it can help us manifest whatever we want in this life and Matthias I saw that on your
website as well, this is not a literal translation of what you say there but it touches upon
it, is that we have this body to experience the body and we experience it I believe also
to the fullest when we are in touch with our sexuality and we just really use it.
And enjoy it.
And that's what I would love to explore with you and hear your wisdom on.
So one of the first things that I'm really curious about is in regards to sexuality do
you believe you have to be first completely ok in your own body and sexuality or can you
just jump into exploring this with someone else?
I would say it's both.
And from my own experience.
I'm constantly changing, evolving, growing and experiencing myself at deeper and deeper
levels.
So if I waited to enter into a relationship until I was complete I wouldn't be in a relationship
my entire life.
Because I don't know if we would ever reach that point that we have it all figured out
together.
And I actually see a relationship as being this fast track to personal growth.
So the way that we relate, our relationship and our interest in being in a relationship
is about transformation.
And so it's through the engagement with each other that we actually are able to see our
patterns of behaviour, to see the belief systems, that became completely engrained in us.
And through relationship we can feel that.
So I think it's a matter of being whole and complete to the extend that we can and then
through a relationship being able to see the deeper layers of who you are.
The great thing is just like is that the way of different perception is creating diversity
of different points of views and learning it from different angles and the way I would
describe that is that when we are born or in the core of our systems we are complete
already.
There's nothing that we have to put on top or have to learn about something.
Mainly we have to unlearn that what we're not and we have to just like kind of getting
that out of the way that is kind of conditioned.
That has been put on top of that what we think we are or what we think how we should be.
And the first place is kind of just finding myself in the first place in connection with
myself.
And having in the first place a relationship with myself when being in alignment and in
truth with myself.
And from there, the way how I relate with my partner or with the person I share the
journey with is pretty much a connection of how we evolve from where we meet.
So that means with our conditioning when we have cleared our own stuff the conditioning
and the so called shadows and the different imprints they come up.
Definitely.
If we want them to or not.
If we want them or not.
And that's where the challenge is and where the beauty is.
We can only clear ourselves to a certain degree but our personality and our defence mechanism
and our imprints of relating shows up in different ways with different people.
And we can be clear with ourselves when we're sitting in a cave for the rest of our lives,
or we're sitting in our room or when we're just with ourselves but when someone else
comes into the realm than it's a complete game changer.
And with every new relating, there's a new wave of stuff coming up.
And that's what's beautiful and we're learning just more about ourselves.
That's how I see it too thank you so much for your answer.
At the moment I'm dating someone who is mind blowing and it's amazing also to see what
comes up for me and to feel this struggle inside no I don't want to go there no I don't
want to say this and my ego playing up.
And then think ok eff it I'm going to say it anyway if he runs he runs fine I want to
stay true to myself.
I have a feeling, I don't know I'm assuming, I have a feeling that both of you are further
on the path than I am, I've just started on this conscious relating to myself and to others.
Ehm how do you feel it when it comes up like ok, there's something coming up now where
do you sense that in your body?
Something that's coming up that you need to share in order to keep the energies clear
between you.
I would say it all starts with the agreements that we have with each other.
We have very clear agreements about how we want to relate to each other.
And it's actually based on the wheel of consent.
One agreement we have is that we will take from each other anytime anywhere for our own
pleasure.
You can take from eachother?
We can take from each other.
So if I feel an impulse I want to connect with Matt, I can actually reach out and I
can feel him or I can share or I can engage with him for my own pleasure to fill myself
up.
And he'll take care of his boundaries.
And I give the same permission to him to take from me.
The second agreement is that we will not do anything for the other person unless that
person makes a request.
Which is a complete game changer.
And so I find it in myself based on those two agreements if something happens between
us, I feel it in my body.
And it might be tension in my chest.
It might be something in my gut that brings tension into body.
And I have to check with myself, ok what's happening here?
Am I out of alignment or is Matt out of alignment with the agreements that we have.
And so it's a way of self regulating and identifying, ok in this moment something doesn't feel right.
And often times it's because I have a need or a desire to connect and something within
me is not, I'm not actually asking for what I want or need or feeling like I can go and
take it for myself.
And so it's this reminder of my body that I actually want something right now but for
whatever reason something's holding me back.
So what is that?
And is it in me?
Is it something that Matt said or did?
And how do we address that and so a lot of times it's outing myself.
And recognising oh ... there's something going on with me and I need to come back into alignment
with myself.
Yes there's something special about this dynamic of - might have more time to go into this
wheel of consent - in this specific dynamic of taking.
And taking is defined there by doing and receiving.
So that's the first place of human engagement.
So where are we going in action and doing something for ourselves.
And we have this holistic agreement with each other that we have this permission where we
are keeping our boundaries as Robyn just described.
So important in there is that we are responsible for our actions and for our own way of how
do we reach out.
So when we reach out im our own way our self responsibility for our pleasure and our turn
on then we learn literally as well to take care of somebody else's boundaries.
Because when they're coming up then we would be unhealthy selfish if we would just continue
our actions.
So in this specific dynamic it's a neurological state when we bring it down to the nervous
system.
And this neurological state of doing and receiving has a specific quality that starts to develop
and evolve in a very precious beautiful deep way and it creates a dynamic of integrity.
And this dynamic of integrity is something that is based on this agreement is what I
would call an alignment of thoughts, words and actions.
So as long as I'm in alignment with my thoughts, with my words and with my actions, whatever
is coming up between us ... we can just completely bring that back to what's going on in this
action that I'm taking?
And if Robyn has process something I can just totally sit there and let her completely do
and where ever she needs to go.
Important is that we own what we feel.
Not like you are responsible, you make me feel this and that.
That's a dead end road.
It's like: this happened and I feel like that, and we might have to revisit our agreement
in there because that's not working for me if that's the case.
I love the responsibility part, because we are super responsible for everything we do
ourselves and also for what we need and open up and speak up about it because.
Well I think we are being, women are mostly the ones that expect men to read minds, maybe
it's the other way around too but I have a feeling it's more part of the women.
So that we're completely responsible for what do you need and open up about it.
So ja, nice.
I was thinking, what do you do when there's a blind spot?
Do you have blind spots?
Like, Robyn do you sometimes have a blind spot and Matt's like ok baby I don't know
what's going on but ... or the other way around?
How do you deal with it?
Absolutely.
And it feels like my blind spots come up more often than Matt's blind spots.And a lot of
it comes back to that conditioning of expectations and also conditioning around pleasing.
So I was a born pleaser, that was my role and my family system I am really good at figuring
out what people need and attending to them and taking care of them and making sure that
they're good and their needs are met ahead of my own.
So for me that's a lot of times where things come up for me and one of the things that's
been so beautiful in these agreements that we have, particularly this agreement where
Matt said to me I don't want you to do anything for me unless I make a request and ask you
to do something.
Don't please me, don't take care of me and suddenly it's like ehh oh what do I do?
So it's been, it's like this system reset within me.
So where I catch myself is when I start to go into that old pattern of behaviour of trying
to take care of the other one when there's no request made.
And so it gets easier and easier for me, where I notice something will come up where I'll
either feel agitated or I'll just want to go into this automatic mode and doing something
for Matt.
And I'll have to just step back and ask myself ok why am I doing this?
What is it for?
Am I wanting to do something for him and is that really about him or is there a need that
I have that I can't express?
So it's this process of catching myself, slowing down, checking in and figuring out is there
actually a need in there that I need to ask for something.
Or I need to take the initiative and take for myself.
And so it's just one of those things that comes up every so often and I can look at
it and say oh there it is.
I'm doing it again.
Also a quite mind blowing revelation that I just made two and a half years ago is sitting
somewhere in Ubud in a café, café Soma on the couch and then I was like witnessing people
you know they're just cuddling all over the place and doing this kind of everybody is
social and sensual with everybody and this is all good until somebody is making a mistake.
And I was feeling into that and that was the first time that the Weel of Consent and it's
dynamic was really clicking in to my own nervous system.
Into my physical, neurological behaviour.
It was an embodied understanding at that moment that was clicking in where I felt, well I
don't know what's going on here I haven't asked anybody for permission, so I'm not touching
anybody.
And nobody else has asked me for permission in anything so that means nobody will touch
me.
So I could just actually really relax and then I just felt, ok so what is the next thing
nobody has asked me to do something for them.
And in this moment I the panic completely dropped that I utterly stop doing something
for others without they requesting something.
Total Freedom.
Complete freedom.
Absolutely, utterly freedom.
But if somebody's asking me something for what they want me to do for them, than I can
just feel into that ... yes or we can negotiate or I feel just like thanks for asking but
right now I'm not in the mood for that.
Wauw.
That's a big one.
I'm going to let that sink in as well, because there's a lot of condition also about just
doing stuff and then thinking you have to reciprocate while there hasn't been a conversation
or the energy isn't there.
It's really the ultimate in self responsibility when it comes to relating.
And respecting boundaries, your own the other ones'.
Yeah so the interesting dynamic in there is, I was just living with that for a couple of
months on my own I was like trying to work that out with other people and I was feeling
into that and some people they are just: Well I can understand that but I can't translate
that.
I want my partner to know what I want.
I want my partner to read my desire as telepathically from my lips and doing the right thing.
Or even I want to be surprised, it takes the mystery out.
So what was literally happening was that every shadow of pleasing and being nice give to
get got confronted with the opposite shadow of entitlement of having expectations and
wanting the other person to know what they need in the moment.
Mind reading, yes.
And this shadow and this is an interesting dynamic, a shadow always comes in a pair.
And if one side of a shadow can't find another side to engage with there's actually no dynamic
happening.
Except there is this deep layer of commitment to your own truth in your own agreement.
That's a big thing, that the agreement and the responsibility of that agreement is not
an agreement that I have for Robyn.
So there's no commitment towards Robyn.
It's a commitment to my own words, commitment to my own thoughts, to my own actions.
And I take full self responsibility and this is the power that I completely, utterly give
to Robyn as my partner, having this strength for our own self responsibility for your own
thoughts, words and actions.
And be responsible for this dynamic.
Sounds very solid.
It's beautiful.
I haven't found anything better yet.
And it's so simple.
I mean it really takes all of the guessing out of relationship.
And it's amazing you start to see how often you enter into relationship and have these
unspoken expectations.
And we make assumptions about what relationships means about how we're supposed to interact
with each other and before you know it, it starts to build up the resentment, anger,
unfulfilled expectations and suddenly it's like your pulling the carpet out and just
starting with this clean slate.
And it's just so simple and easy.
What I've noticed now.
This is new for me so I've been conditioned, I think all of us or most of us have been
conditioned, that you can not speak up about what you feel because you might scare the
other person away.
That's actually what I did for a long time, not speak up and I've been starting this summer
I've been through a roller coaster of emotions and I was constantly mirroring back; Ok what
is this saying, where do I have clearing to do, work to do, and now it's like a 180.
Now I'm really just opening up and being completely clear and not finding the ego tension of want
but just being clear.
And there's still want and attraction which is super new for me.
For me there was also want and attraction when things were unclear.
When things were ... and this is so, such a gift.
What I wanted to.
What I see, I see this spark between you and well you've known each other for a year I
think for eons.
I believe in that stuff.
I believe in Twin Flames and Twin relationships.
Ok there are a few things in one let's see if I can get it into one question; How is
this relationship different for both of you, like being in the dynamic of which you are.
Because every dynamic is different, how is this amazing spark that I see, how do you
experience it, ehm, in comparison maybe to previous relationships.
There's one important piece there.
And I would like to use two quotes and one of the quotes is that enlightenment lies in
the woman's womb.
Enlightenment lies ... lies in the woman's womb, in the womans womb?
The sound is dropping out sometimes it's getting louder and just now it got softer.
Can you say it one more time?
Enlightenment lies in the woman's womb.
Thank you.
It's not a concept that happens in a man's brain.
In a man's head.
And there's another quote that I would like to use is, I think it's from David Deida,
he was saying it's a guys thing.
It's a guys thing?
It's a guys thing.
What that meant is that specifically being on this tantric path, sacred sexuality, sexual
awakening, sharing truths that comes from within and not a conditioning from the outside,
the main thing is that I have learned on my path is that I was conditioned from the beginning
on in the reproductive pattern.
So most of us guys we think like reproductive animals.
We have a complete reproduction addiction.
We're hunting gratification, we're hunting the pleasure of orgasm and satisfaction.
And the main thing what is completely different in the first place is being the tantric man,
whatever that meant in the bigger picture is taking the goal out of sex.
So taking the orgasm and the reproductive hunt completely out of my behaviour.
And what happens is, is a complete reboot of the nervous system and of the alignment
of the behaviour.
Of relating.
So being capable of taking the goal out of this dynamic of sexual encounter, sexual energy
is not based on reproduction.
Sexual energy is based on rejuvenation, play and just joy and fun, recreational aspects.
It's based on health, it's based on growth and the spiritual path is starting there.
And by taking the goal out of sex I literally learned that step by step like a reprogramming
of my own nervous system of my own cellular system that sexuality and sensuality are two
completely different things.
And that sensual connection needs to be there without the approach of sexuality and sexuality
needs to be there without the goal and the agenda of the goal.
There complete different things.
And when we engage as lovers and that's the core of our sexual engagement (sorry we're
using the room for an interview).
So taking the goal out of sex means that the encounter for us as sexual beings is not about
bringing something to an end and bringing it behind us.
It becomes a spiritual path of connection.
Where everything else relates to the wheel of consent and connection and how do we have
our agreements, is just like peripheral ripple effect.
That is based on that truth.
For me what's different about this relationship and how we relate to each other from other
relationships that I have been in, it's completely different.
And there's that part of self responsibility is a huge aspect.
For me when I met Matt the romantic dream died.
And it was a hard and painful death.
And it was also a gift.
To be able to let that go.
And when I say the romantic dream, it was this idea that there's this man who will complete
me, who will fulfil all of my needs, who will take care of me.
Sort of that happily ever after image that is so deeply engrained in us as women in particular.
And that was just, Matt made it very clear, I'm not that man.
And so I was really confronted with that ideal.
And I had to stop and think, well what is that for me?
And is that really what I want?
And what I realised is that it wasn't.
And to be able to step into this relationship with the agreements that we have and this
commitment to our own growth, our own joy and pleasure first and foremost and then coming
together and sharing from a place of being whole and complete is the most beautiful relating
there is.
And so there was that level of relating.
And then as Matt said, taking the goal out of our sexual relationship has also brought
me to a depth that I have never experienced before.
And by taking that focus out when we engage sexually, sensually, we actually are able
to go to a much deeper place with each other.
And I felt my body open to an extent that I have never experienced before.
And - Opened up to God like David Deida calls it.
Yes and I would say pre Matt it was about having orgasms in our relationship it is about
being orgasmic.
It's about this state of ecstasy that we can go to together, and it's a beautiful place
to be.
There comes a comparison in for me that I remembered.
You know when men taking this goal out of sex, so the reproductive pattern, or let's
say the porn fantasy imprint that most men are carrying in there life it's a similar
based on reproductive indoctrination and imprinting that we men carry like women carry the romantic
dream.
So what is the romantic dream for women or the imprint, the conditioning of the romantic
dream for women based on reproduction is for men the reproductive cycling of noveling watching
porn wanking of.
It's the same dynamic.
When men can take that goal out the romantic dream is getting scattered by itself.
Because romantic dream has no power.
So for women it's I need to find a mate who will give me babies and who will provide the
stability and the support so that I can raise those babies.
The romantic dream.
For men it's I need to get my sperm out as far and wide as possible to repopulate this
planet, it's really going back to ... it's the biology and evolution of our species.
At the very basic level.
So we're bringing our life force energy sexuality from reproduction, from the imprint of reproduction
to this next level through being playful and being in connection and using it for health
to the spiritual path where the oneness unity consciousness is actually guiding us into
this place of we are one with everything in the moment where we make love.
Ja, wauw, ehm so in order for both of you to stay whole.
Because I can, I am assuming here, if the assumption is wrong please correct me.
You both come from a place of fullness, of wholeness I can imagine that through out the
day, week, month something happens when you feel hey I'm not completely filled up.
And I want to get myself filled up first before I go into encounter with Robyn or before I
go back into encounter with Matt.
What practices do you have for yourselves to make sure you stay filled up or you get
filled up again when you feel you have been leaking.
I can't really say that I'm leaking.
But important in there is that I have my own self pleasure exercises.
I have my own yoga practice.
I have my own understanding of this path of this growth that is independent from Robyn.
And, yes it's you know, I call it my own path of spiritual purifcation in there is literally
being in alignment with what is my own connection to live, what is my own desire, what is my
own growth, what is my own interest in life and that's independent from what we share
together.
So I for me, and Matt and I have been we were global nomads so we don't have a home.
Our home is wherever we are.
But we're on the road all the time and so this makes it even more important that we
have our own practices, our own ways of filling ourselves up.
And for me that's figuring out what are my daily self-practices whether it's yoga, whether
it's going for a run, eating healthy food, having connections to my girl friends where
ever they are around the world.
Having these other outlets that fill me up so that I can come back to my relating with
Matt without needing anything from him.
Makes sense.
We were just walking a couple of days ago through Melbourne and there was a photo somewhere
on a somewhere on a wall and mesmerising I'm my own wife.
There was a guy who - a theater production - where a guy was actually saying I'm my own
wife.
And I just felt like yes I'm my own wife and so I'm married to myself in the first place
and this is my inner compass.
And this inner connection is the most important connection that I'm carrying that I'm having.
And if there's something like a hierarchy in there than it's my first connection, my
first love is actually to life itself.
To nature, whatever there is.
The second one is, just this this marriage of the inner polarities, my feminine masculine
aspect if you want to call them that way and my third love is actually how do I relate
with the people that are around me.
And there are very few people that are very close and one of the very close people is
in this case in this time of my life is Robyn and the way we share that life is just like
coming from a place of utterly truth and authenticity.
I've seen the post on Facebook I'm my own wife and and it said something about Robyn
too.
I don't want to screw it up, so I remember reading it ... I'm my own wife and my girlfriend
is my husband.
Ja that I love that.
Beautiful.
Ehm I have two more questions and maybe you want to add something of course yourself.
One question comes from a dear friend I told a few ladies that I was going to do this interview
with you and her question is how do you both use your sexual energy for co-creation to
serve the highest good of all?
Beautiful.
We travel around the world teaching about connection, touch, intimacy, sacred sexuality
and everything we teach we live.
And so for me our relationship is the living laboratory for what we offer to the world.
And so it's important that we're taking care of ourselves, that we're living our truth,
we're living from a place of integrity and we're living everything that we share and
teach.
And so it makes the relating it's like pleasure research.
How can we, how can we go deep with each other so that we can then share that depth with
others and give them a window in how to find them for themselves.
And an important piece is that we're doing workshops and we're doing sessions together,
or separate.
We go to festivals, like what Robyn said it's just that what we share or what we teach is
what we live.
So there's a frequency between us and this frequency is resonating, there's a resonance
in people.
They're feeling that as a frequency that there's something that's real in there without doing
anything.
And in this reality people start to ask questions and see that there's something they can relate
to on a deeper level.
So something is related to their first connection, to their own soul, there purpose where ever
they are in life.
And we are traveling through so many cities and countries in the world and even if there's
just like one person that's affected by our relating, by our living and they're creating
a higher vibration in their life we made the world a better place already.
And I mean there are hundreds of people around the world and it's our purpose to help them
feel empowered to themselves.
We're not creating a cult or a leadership or followership so our purpose is that people
find themselves and if they need something they can feel free to reach out any time.
But we're not creating this old paradigm of a hierarchy of a followership that we're all
brothers and sisters except we're choosing consciously in ...... to go to somebody as
a lover.
And this is where our truth is coming in, in the first place is that, sexual engagement
with other people as brothers and sisters is healthy but stop relating with brothers
as sisters and avoiding the truth that we most of the time jumping to early in a lover
relationship before we're really ready for it.
So like Robyn said we live what we teach, we teach what we live.
And as a frequency and as a resonance and if there's just only one person positively
inspired on our journey in the last year than we have made the world a better place already.
This kind of ties in with my last question and then I would love to hear if you want
to share something that we need to know.
It kind of ties in but perhaps you have something bigger even.
If you had a magic wand, a Zauberstab ist das auf Deutsch oder nicht?
Ja?
Then with regards to sexuality and planet earth.
What will happen in the near future?
First of all, I just have to say a word because I lost my belief system that we're living
on a planet.
Okay ... We're not going there, we're not going there.
Another interview.
The interesting thing is that we have all, like we have sexual conditioning in our life
that we have all a conditioning of a helio centric model.
Heliocentric model is that there's something in the centre who is telling us what is right
and everything else is circling around that.
And that has left my consciousness a year ago.
So I think we're living on a so called geo centric place that means that the earth is
the centre of the Universe.
None of us will ever go into space and leave this place so we can actually finally come
back into our body, we can finally come back into this body and recognising that the earth
is our body.
And the moment where we engage in healthy sexually with ourself and with the people
we are lovers with we start to engage with the earth in a healthy way.
And my Zauberstab, wand will make that people wake up into their truth that their body is
the earth and that sexual energy and sexual encounter is healthy.
I like that.
I would love to see an earth where each person can come back to a place of innocence.
In their body, in their sensuality, in their sexuality and to be free to express themselves
from that deep place of innocence and playfulness.
We've layered on so much shame and guilt and fear and repression around our sexuality.
And if we could just shed that and come back to this place of just freedom and innocence,
I think the world would be a different place.
I say AHO to that.
Wauw thank you all for watching, thank you SO much for this interview and just thanks.
Yes thank you, can I just say thank you very much for having us and kind of a last word
to the listener : Find your own truth, go on that journey.
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